Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #15

[BGirl88]

I can’t see how her mind was great when they then detail her struggles, bless her. This only two weeks after an intervention of sorts. It’s heartbreaking.

Maybe her mind was great, in comparison to how it had been those two weeks earlier. Or maybe she had a plan and was finally feeling a sense of relief. JMO MOO

 

[DazN]

Unlikely now at the 3-week mark.

A FitBit typically can hold 7 days worth of detailed data, after the battery has drained to the point it shuts down, it will hold this data on the remaining charge but I don't expect that to last 3 weeks, almost certainly all gone now.


Depending on the model, most are waterproof, but as per above, unless charged, likely the data is all gone now.

Ah I didn't realise they need to power to retain the data. I (wrongly) assumed they had some form of hard memory in them.

 

[tallmansix]

Please explain to me if a Teams meeting shows the boss and colleagues in an office or can he hold that meeting from home, away on other business. I only vaguely know Zoom meetings. In other words would participants know where the meeting was initiated?

I can see the IP addresses and device names of the participants of an MS Teams meeting in the admin portal so could deduce some information about their whereabouts.

As for the meeting being "initiated", it doesn't work like that, all attendees are given a web link to click to join the meeting - nobody starts the meeting, everyone just joins it using the same web link.

So for NB's example, if I had admin access to the MS Teams admin portal for the company involved, I could easily confirm what time NB joined the meeting and what time she left and what the device name was and IP address.

 

[ginnyw]

I certainly hope I am not the “Occam’s Razor” being referenced above. I’ve never commented on this case, nor claimed to be clairvoyant (being facetious here - I know it is not me!).

I truly cringe when the authorities and others try to dissect the missing persons state of mind, and run down the “suicide rabbit hole” (leaving many other possibilities to wither, go cold, and perish). At this stage, nothing should be ruled out of the investigation. I hope they are pursuing every avenue and lead.

It’s an odd parable indeed to TAKE A BELOVED PET along on a SUICIDE mission. Those of us with such companions could imagine the stressful and agonizing scene, and the permanent trauma most assuredly left on the animal. Even the most tormented souls do not do something like that. Nope.

I simply don’t feel that in this case. If she’s in the water, she may have very well been placed there. She may have also tripped or fallen. Or even jumped in after her dog fell in, (or so many other scenarios). Many people do certainly end their own lives, yet most do this in solitude and do not include other people or animals in the mix of their exit. I hope they are investigating this thoroughly and properly…for her sake alone, and that of her family and friends.

Completely agree. Willow running loose is the one thing that for me, makes it surely more a matter of a sudden, tragic accident. Plus, it would seem very unlikely IMO that if you were about to end your life, you would choose to spend your last few minutes on this earth dialled into a meeting about mortgages.

 

[tallmansix]

They wouldn't know that was the last text if only on the recipient had knowledge of it.

Well yes, but the mobile phone network provided can give the details of the SMS message recipient but not the contents, however we have no evidence that the message was sent via SMS, it could have been Whatsapp for example.

So yes nobody knows what the last message sent was, but nobody had ever claimed to know that either, LE just said a playdate was arranged shortly before disappearance, but my point was they don't need access to NB's phone to know that if the recipient volunteered that information.

 

[mrblack]

Corrie McKeague who went missing in East Anglia had huge coverage of course. His mum was a police liaison officer so she helped publicise. And Nicola friend Emma White had media links which would also help.

Very true, I didn't mean just because she was female but that did help. The mystery of her disappearane and Corrie's both caught attention of the media, as I'm sure did having connections.

 

[DazN]

Checking the in-built motion sensors in your phone might be easier than you imagine (especially if done by a specialist police investigating technician). Here's an article giving a basic explanation as to how and why all smart phones have these things.

Phones don't store accelerometer data unless being directly queried by an app (ie a step counter) as the amount of data stored would be huge (imagine how many times a phone moves its position in daily use) as well as the impact on battery life. JMO

 

[Rusty Braincells]

People e.g. clean their houses top-to-bottom and do things that don’t seem like they can possibly matter in context, hours before they end their own lives. None of: having kids, seeming happy, taking the dog, how the dog was left or being on a Zoom call rule out suicide IMO.

There is barely any activity or decision prior to the fact I can think of that would rule out suicide.

 

[SpideySense]

I’ve only just recently started to follow this case, as I live in California and it hasn’t been reported about much here. Now I understand why it’s generated so much consternation, to put it mildly.

My understanding from the beginning was that LP believed Nicola slipped into the river accidentally and drowned. That’s apparently what they told the press and, critically, the leader of the aquatic search. It struck me as odd that a healthy woman might drown from that, but not knowing the river hydrology, bank accessibility, water temp, etc., I supposed it seemed possible.

But now come to find that LP instead believed from the beginning that this was a missing persons case, and a “high risk” one at that because LP was aware of the January 10 home visit… well, I just don’t know what on Earth to make of that.

Here in California, we have far too many missing persons reports. When state-of-mind or other factors place the missing person at “high risk,” that is reported from the outset. It creates a sense of urgency to find the person before they are harmed. The reasons for high risk might be dementia, a young person possibly manipulated by someone older, depressed or mentally ill individuals, among others. The point is, reporting the fact that someone is high risk gets people out there looking for them, often in odd places.

An example - a few weeks ago I received a text alert from my town’s PD about an elderly person with dementia who had wandered from her house not far from mine. Without anything better to do, I got in my car and drove around for nearly two hours, through neighborhoods, out into the country, cruising parks, looking for her and trying to judge how far she could have walked since the time she went missing. It turns out she managed to get on a bus that took her to San Francisco, and she was safely found a few days later.

I understand the sensitivities around reporting a high risk individual, and reporting it 3 weeks late makes absolutely no sense to me. But at the time of disappearance, that seems to be critical information.

Can anyone with LE experience help me understand whether in certain missing persons cases informing the public (or even the search team) that a person is high risk is not advised? I believe LP must have been following a logic that I don’t have the knowledge to see.

 

[elidar]

Great first post!

I agree with this post entirely in its details about revelations that conflate drinking issues and menopause- the family need to explain the drinking in their own mind. Now knowing these facts and events and context sadly I believe in her depression and crisis she took her own life-walked into the river there or at another spot. She was heavily dressed could sink very fast certainly if was a deliberate act. I also think that IF this is not the very tragic explanation for her disappearance and she slipped away to get herself together or to a "new life" that is abandonment and there has been a severe cost to the public purse for the search not to mention her legal care for her children. That is why there is a public need to know if she has done this and if that is the reality that act is not her "right". If public services must pay for a false search. But I believe she took her own life and will be found eventually. IMO.

 

[Agatha3]

I can see the IP addresses and device names of the participants of an MS Teams meeting in the admin portal so could deduce some information about their whereabouts.

As for the meeting being "initiated", it doesn't work like that, all attendees are given a web link to click to join the meeting - nobody starts the meeting, everyone just joins it using the same web link.

So for NB's example, if I had admin access to the MS Teams admin portal for the company involved, I could easily confirm what time NB joined the meeting and what time she left and what the device name was and IP address.

Sorry to sound dim (I am) but presumably Nicola’s mortgage boss would address the meeting to update on company progress, lack of progress or whatever the meeting was about. I refer to the boss who drove to see her the day before she went missing. Presumably he went back to his Keighley office to run the call and answer questions?

 

[Mr X]

People e.g. clean their houses top-to-bottom and do things that don’t seem like they can possibly matter in context, hours before they end their own lives. None of: having kids, seeming happy, taking the dog, how the dog was left or being on a Zoom call rule out suicide IMO.

There is barely any activity or decision prior to the fact I can think of that would rule out suicide.

It seems interesting IMO that the PF sonar guy had a personal connection with PA. There was the point about him doing the job "for free". This is Not appropriate and Not relevant.

I think more searching of the river is needed IMO or wait for the next floods to wash the body up onto the stone weir. Sad but IMO that is what will happen..

 

[DazN]

Sorry to sound dim (I am) but presumably Nicola’s mortgage boss would address the meeting to update on company progress, lack of progress or whatever the meeting was about. I refer to the boss who drove to see her the day before she went missing. Presumably he went back to his Keighley office to run the call and answer questions?

LE haven't revealed anything about the nature of the Teams meeting.

 

[SpideySense]

Checking the in-built motion sensors in your phone might be easier than you imagine (especially if done by a specialist police investigating technician). Here's an article giving a basic explanation as to how and why all smart phones have these things.

The investigators were able to determine when the phone moved, and in which direction, and when it was set down and remained still until someone picked it up again. Not really an invasion of your privacy unless you'd set it down at the premises you were burgling, and forgot to pick it back up again.

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Thank you for explaining that.

So then, wouldn’t the critical window of time really be from 9:20 when (presumably) Nicola sets her phone down, and 9:35 when it’s spotted on the bench, rather than the time between 9:10 and 9:20? Maybe I’m just thrown by the media’s focus on 9:10-9:20, when she’s probably in the upper field.

 

[OckhamsRazor22]

With 40 detectives on the job I cannot believe they are just sitting around awaiting for the body to appear.

One would certainly HOPE not…

 

[ayrshireguy]

LE haven't revealed anything about the nature of the Teams meeting.

The teams call may have a lot of relevance or none at all. Everything appeared fine up until the call.

 

[tallmansix]

Sorry to sound dim (I am) but presumably Nicola’s mortgage boss would address the meeting to update on company progress, lack of progress or whatever the meeting was about. I refer to the boss who drove to see her the day before she went missing. Presumably he went back to his Keighley office to run the call and answer questions?

No information has been released by LE from what I have seen, but yes they can probably pin down the location of "the boss" if your assumption of such a meeting is correct.

Some information can be deduced from the IP address of the participants of the meeting. Using a company office or home location, then the IP address will confirm that. Using a mobile, then the IP address will only confirm that it was a mobile phone, deducing the location of that phone will need some additional data.

Personally, I wouldn't presume that much about an MS Teams meeting, they are held regularly by many companies and can be for all sorts of reasons. I attend about 6 per day on average - more than ever now most people work remotely.

 

[Awaywego]

Sorry to sound dim (I am) but presumably Nicola’s mortgage boss would address the meeting to update on company progress, lack of progress or whatever the meeting was about. I refer to the boss who drove to see her the day before she went missing. Presumably he went back to his Keighley office to run the call and answer questions?

Possibly or he could have been logging in from his home/somewhere else.

 

[Mr X]

I also think that IF this is not the very tragic explanation for her disappearance and she slipped away to get herself together or to a "new life" that is abandonment and there has been a severe cost to the public purse for the search not to mention her legal care for her children. That is why there is a public need to know if she has done this and if that is the reality that act is not her "right". If public services must pay for a false search. But I believe she took her own life and will be found eventually. IMO.

I agree with this and it is something I find interesting.

In all of this there has been expenditure from the public purse. Taxpayers.

Worth remembering this when the Netflix show comes on. Do not watch it. Do not give them your money.

Very interesting situation IMO if (and we all hope for this) the missing person turns out to be alive and healthy.

I don't think that is the outcome here but there is IMO something a bit wrong about this whole story.

 

[ayrshireguy]

The boss drove from Keighley to Garstang to meet with NB.