Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #7

[Deleted member 320164]

From the latest conference she says:

“We know from telephony work that her phone was located on the bench at 09:20.”

From telephony work they can tell if a phone is on a bench? It doesn’t say it was found/seen on the bench.

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Of course they can’t.

My devices place me in the flat next door and my Uber app places me in a completely different block of flats.

Gyro devices can only tell when devices have been moving or dropped - they can’t define the location of a device.

 

[EH_13]

I’ve honestly gone round and round in circles with this case. I do think the misinformation hasn’t helped. I don’t really have any idea how a body would move in water but assuming NB did go in at the bench on Friday 27th jan, does anyone know how far she may have travelled? I hate saying it like that.

PF has consistently said in his various interviews that in the majority of cases he would expect the person to be in or around the area they first entered the water. The challenge he has is that he's basing his search on the hypothesis that she fell in by the bench area (due to possessions being found in there). IMO this is why the water hypothesis is under so much scrutiny by the family and public.

 

[JeremyBentham]

PF said it would be impossible for her to reach the sea in that river. Take that as you will.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1623016479984693253

 

[EyeSpyU]

From the latest conference she says:

“We know from telephony work that her phone was located on the bench at 09:20.”

From telephony work they can tell if a phone is on a bench? It doesn’t say it was found/seen on the bench.

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I’ll watch again as I’m sure the Superintendent said NB’s phone was found on the bench at 09:20

 

[Haveyoufedthecat]

There's also a chance she may never be found and I think the family should be preparing themselves and the two girls for that. Thinking Corrie, Claudia here.

Sadly Crazychris I am beginning to think there is a real possibility of that and I also think that if no body is found in the River then the investigation over the coming weeks will be quietly wound down. I rather hope that in the background a group of specialist folk are beginning to gather to help the family should no body be found. The two children especially are going to need handling with kid gloves. Sadly as I have seen with some folk around me in real life there are events that people can't come back from and will never recover mentally JMO

 

[Bluesleuth66]

Someone up thread worked out it would take 88 hours to reach the sea. But that's assuming no hindrances on the way which is very unlikely.

I think that's incorrect and mentioned it earlier - that doesn't take account of the flow inland when the tide is rising.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

PF said it would be impossible for her to reach the sea in that river. Take that as you will.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1623016479984693253

Is this guy leading the investigation or writing a book?

 

[jackal67]

Would anyone in there right mind get in a river in January to retrieve some dog equipment that costs a few pounds? Just cant see this . If it was the dog then yes. A harness or tennis ball? Not a chance

But if dog wasn't wearing a collar a harness would be needed to attach the lead to. She would need the dog on the lead to get back to her car safely, in which case yes I can see her trying to retrieve it MOO

 

[Waddles]

Of course they can’t.

My devices place me in the flat next door and my Uber app places me in a completely different block of flats.

Gyro devices can only tell when devices have been moving or dropped - they can’t define the location of a device.

Yep my iPhone says I’m in the next apartment building across my road

 

[DaFroome]

Sadly Crazychris I am beginning to think there is a real possibility of that and I also think that if no body is found in the River then the investigation over the coming weeks will be quietly wound down. I rather hope that in the background a group of specialist folk are beginning to gather to help the family should no body be found. The two children especially are going to need handling with kid gloves. Sadly as I have seen with some folk around me in real life there are events that people can't come back from and will never recover mentally JMO

Any digital and moving digital trace from phone to Fitbit would give the police some certainty she fell in and where that happened.

I’m sure the police will have all of that support in hand.

 

[Wishbone]

Someone up thread worked out it would take 88 hours to reach the sea. But that's assuming no hindrances on the way which is very unlikely.

If I'm following this correctly, if NB fell in the river she could now possibly be in the estuary or even out to sea?

 

[Deleted member 320164]

I think that's incorrect and mentioned it earlier - that doesn't take account of the flow inland when the tide is rising.

Doesn‘t take account of the weir either.

The River Wyre becomes tidal below the weir at St Michaels. It's got about another 13 miles to flow to reach the coast from this point.

Explore the River Wyre from source to sea • with Visit Fleetwood

I doubt a newly drowned body dragging along the bottom would get over the weir, it might even get stuck there until the gas balance changed enough for it to float.

 

[supersleuth123]

Questions I would have liked to ask to ask at the press conference:

1. You say you're looking for dash cam footage to "narrow the window" for NB potentially exiting via Garstang lane - are you also interested in dash cam footage to prove NB *entered* via Garstang Lane and at which precise time?

2. Do you have any video evidence of NB entering Garstang Lane at approximately ~8.40?

3. Do you have any evidence, aside from the witness statements, of NB entering the area of the fields?

4. For the witnesses who said they saw NB in the fields (at about 8.50 and 9.10 respectively), how did *they* exit the fields, and at what time? And do you have video evidence of this?

 

[EH_13]

The river is tidal - as the Superintendent has specified. It moves at a rate of approximately 13ft a minute and like hundreds of others who’ve drowned and not been found for weeks or months, their bodies have often been found miles away from where they were fell.

The superintendent has said they’re now looking at the sea, so they must have been told by the Sea authorities and River/Sea Rescue where approximately she’d now be taking into account: weather, speed flow of river, direction, tidal times etc…

But PF has commented to the contrary as recently as this evening. He believes it is "impossible" for her to travel that far (based on the hypothesis that she fell in at the bench area). This isn't the first time that PF and LE information has been conflicting. I agree with previous comments that the amount of air time the search team are being given is contributing to the very speculation that the Superintendent is trying to avoid! IMO

 

[Deleted member 320164]

I think that's incorrect and mentioned it earlier - that doesn't take account of the flow inland when the tide is rising.

Doesn‘t take account of the weir either.

The River Wyre becomes tidal below the weir at St Michaels. It's got about another 13 miles to flow to reach the coast from this point.

Explore the River Wyre from source to sea • with Visit Fleetwood

I doubt a newly drowned body dragging along the bottom would get over the weir, it might even get stuck there until the gas balance changed enough for it to float.

 

[kittythehare]

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The number does not work because numbers change as posts are deleted.

 

[russeverton]

PF has consistently said in his various interviews that in the majority of cases he would expect the person to be in or around the area they first entered the water. The challenge he has is that he's basing his search on the hypothesis that she fell in by the bench area (due to possessions being found in there). IMO this is why the water hypothesis is under so much scrutiny by the family and public.

But if dog wasn't wearing a collar a harness would be needed to attach the lead to. She would need the dog on the lead to get back to her car safely, in which case yes I can see her trying to retrieve it MOO

But if dog wasn't wearing a collar a harness would be needed to attach the lead to. She would need the dog on the lead to get back to her car safely, in which case yes I can see her trying to retrieve it MOO

I think I'd sooner carry the dog for 3 minutes or walk it off the lead to car rather then get in a freezing deep river. Did the dog not have a collar it seems to in pics I have seen on other days

 

[San111]

Doesn‘t take account of the weir either.

The River Wyre becomes tidal below the weir at St Michaels. It's got about another 13 miles to flow to reach the coast from this point.

Explore the River Wyre from source to sea • with Visit Fleetwood

I doubt a newly drowned body dragging along the bottom would get over the weir, it might even get stuck there until the gas balance changed enough for it to float.

From a video i've seen the water does flow quite fast over the weir but PF said that after the weir it's shallow and rocky and a body wouldn't go past there

 

[JeremyBentham]

I think that's incorrect and mentioned it earlier - that doesn't take account of the flow inland when the tide is rising.

I worked out the 88 hours, but stated it was under the assumption of a continual, uninterrupted flow of 13ft per minute. It was just a speed vs distance measure.

I’m not sure how we’d know how long it would really take.

 

[Mr X]

Although I thought the tide came over the Weir the gaugemap levels seem to show otherwise.

There was a fairly significant flood event there recently but it was well before the MP disappeared.

GaugeMap – Latest River, Flow and Groundwater Levels Map for Britain & Ireland

River, Flow and Groundwater level updates from over 3,000 Environment Agency stations.

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