Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire), Jan 2023 #18

[pineapple23]

Do we know exactly the make and model of the car that NB drove that morning...The reason I ask is because I'm a bit miffed after looking at the doorbell image.

All I know is that it was a Mercedes. I don't think details were ever released - probably because it was not considered significant imo. Nicola Bulley's partner begs Mercedes to track where missing mum's car keys are

 

[Simplistic67]

All I know is that it was a Mercedes. I don't think details were ever released as it was not considered significant. JMO. Nicola Bulley's partner begs Mercedes to track where missing mum's car keys are

I think it is significant....to know the model.

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

If someone was held underwater, would the body intake water just the same as an accidental drowning?
How would it go from accidental drowning to murder if no forensic evidence is available...How would a coroner distinguish the two possibilities?

Edit to add-my opinion
Anyone could possibly claw at hands restraining them and get skin under their fingernails. Or there could be bruising from being restrained, an injury shown to be before death, that a pathologist (not a coroner) could find.

The problem with this scenario is that it puts the 2nd person in a life-threatening position also.
If someone is expending energy in water that cold, they will quickly be incapacitated. The linked website page explains how death comes in seconds in cold water. If the other person made it out alive, they would be in poor condition and need to take off their wet clothing immediately. Despite claims that NB could easily walk in this water and climb the steep bank, here is a photo of a diver in the river near the bench. There are a number of videos and still photos of the water search near the bench. I don't know how it could be claimed that the water is too shallow to drown in, especially considering a likely "cold water shock" situation. I can't imagine how heavy her water-filled shoes and coat were when soaked. Any attacker would also be hindered by winter clothes, unless they happened to be in a cold water wetsuit.

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[pineapple23]

DBM

 

[pineapple23]

I too see such workouts taking place along my local river, but never in knee length padded coat, and wellingtons.

Also if it was NB's habit to do this, surely it would have been mentioned imo.

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

I think it is significant....to know the model.

Why is the model significant if the whereabouts of the car is accounted for during the events which took place after she dropped the children off and left to walk the dog? Do you think a certain model has a feature that would give information or insight as to what happened?

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

Below is the timeline from the news agency linked below. I don't know if any other timeline contradicts this one. I'm not as up-to-date as some so if this doesn't cover what your referring to
I'm sure another one is here somewhere.

What part is not adding up?

timings are just not adding up.

27 January - Day of disappearance​

8.43am – Nicola walked along the path by the River Wyre, having dropped her children off at school

8:50am (approximately) - A dog-walker – somebody who knows Nicola – saw her walking around the lower field with her dog. Their two dogs interacted briefly before the witness left the field via the river path
8.53am – She sent an email to her boss

9.01am – She logged into a Teams call

9.10am (approximately) – A witness – somebody who knows Nicola – saw her on the upper field walking Willow. This has been corroborated by police.

9.20am (approximately) – Her mobile phone is linked to the area of a bench by the river

9.30am – The Teams call ended but Nicola stayed logged on

9.33am – A local dog walker finds Willow running around off her lead

9.35am (approximately) – Nicola’s mobile phone, facing upwards, and Willow were found at the bench by another dog-walker. Willow’s harness and lead were halfway between the bench and the river.


10.50am – Nicola’s family and the schools attended by her children were notified of her disappearance

11am – Nicola was reported missing to police

Timeline of Nicola Bulley disappearance as body found in search for missing woman

The 45-year-old mortgage advisor went missing on January 27

www.independent.co.uk

Edited to add this photo of the bank, where the harness was reportedly found half between bench and river.

 

[porkypies]

True enough and nobody can know for sure. All I know about is myself and how I behave. I've spend entire nights out searching for my cats when they've gone missing and unbelievably have saved them from certain death on occasions when they were locked inside or fallen into places. There's no police officer in the world would 'advise' me to go sit at home and there's no court that would enforce that either so the police guidance / request was meaningless in this instance. Unless he was trespassing or breaking and entering obv. Maybe he was? We don't really know enough. JMO.

I imagine that when someone has just gone missing and the police want to question you about it, you can either take their advice and go home to speak to them or accompany them to their office, you would not have the choice of 'joining in' the search at that point-I hope.

 

[guiser]

Excellent points and I had not considered this way of thinking so thank you for opening my mind up a bit.

I suppose I had got the impression from the way PA said it that it was an issue of 'we'd prefer to chat with you at home...' which sounded jarring to me but of course there could be myriad reasons.

Not sure tho, bearing in mind these specific circs, that her phone was there allegedly logged onto the call (who is this verified by?), and the dog was there, abandoned... that I wouldn't personally feel immediate urgency to know she's not been mugged or sexually assaulted and isn't half dead in a ditch before I start going home seeing if she packed her PJs and took her bank cards.

I'm still super curious for confirmation as to who 'gave' the dog and phone to PA, if that happened, as there's a real gap in the story and were the police at the site before him or after or how did that all unfold?

You're welcome.
Logic tells me that if a person simply disappears with no immediate evidence of a body, struggle or weapon, the first thing police would want to ascertain, before they call in the specialist resources, is that they hadn't gone missing deliberately.
Perhaps they too thought the phone/lead/dog might be decoys.

My own interpretation of the 'gap in the story' is that a couple of elderly villagers, for whom murders and abductions are only things that happen on the telly but never in 'their' village, failed to recognise the seriousness of the situation and stood around for too long dithering about what to do: ("I could call my daughter-in-law?") and are probably now, with hindsight, desperately regretting that they didn't call the police immediately.

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[Simplistic67]

Why is the model significant if the whereabouts of the car is accounted for during the events which took place after she dropped the children off and left to walk the dog? Do you think a certain model has a feature that would give information or insight as to what happened?

Because in the grainy pictures of a person behind a car, <modsnip> it appears to me that either the boot space is very large or the back seats are down

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Below is the timeline from the news agency linked below. I don't know if any other timeline contradicts this one. I'm not as up-to-date as some so if this doesn't cover what your referring to
I'm sure another one is here somewhere.

What part is not adding up?

27 January - Day of disappearance​

8.43am – Nicola walked along the path by the River Wyre, having dropped her children off at school

8:50am (approximately) - A dog-walker – somebody who knows Nicola – saw her walking around the lower field with her dog. Their two dogs interacted briefly before the witness left the field via the river path
8.53am – She sent an email to her boss

9.01am – She logged into a Teams call

9.10am (approximately) – A witness – somebody who knows Nicola – saw her on the upper field walking Willow. This has been corroborated by police.

9.20am (approximately) – Her mobile phone is linked to the area of a bench by the river

9.30am – The Teams call ended but Nicola stayed logged on

9.33am – A local dog walker finds Willow running around off her lead

9.35am (approximately) – Nicola’s mobile phone, facing upwards, and Willow were found at the bench by another dog-walker. Willow’s harness and lead were halfway between the bench and the river.


10.50am – Nicola’s family and the schools attended by her children were notified of her disappearance

11am – Nicola was reported missing to police

Timeline of Nicola Bulley disappearance as body found in search for missing woman

The 45-year-old mortgage advisor went missing on January 27

www.independent.co.uk

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Edited to add this photo of the bank, where the harness was reportedly found half between bench and river.

09:10 - 11:00 - that last verified witness sighting by someone know knows NB is (literally the last time anyone saw her) to the time the police were called

is a long time that IMO *anything* could have happened to N because nobody was searching for her. The account of actions after 09:10 have varied so wildly over time via the MSM that they now effectively mean nothing unless someone can link verified sources to state exactly what went on and witnessed by whom.

Initially we were told 'busy working mum accidentally fallen into water' and there was 'a missing 20 minutes' but I see nothing whatsoever to say there isn't a missing *1 hour 50 minutes* between the last time anyone saw N and the police being alerted, by which I mean nobody was looking for her and the police were not aware, unless someone can help me see it differently?

 

[Simplistic67]

Has there been any posts on here about Skippool Creek Car Park ?
It was cordoned off by Police on February 3rd. They stated it was about a suspicious vehicle and would not say if it was related to the search for NB. Nothing else was mentioned.
I'm asking because it is very close to the estuary where police were searching. It is also very close to Poulton-le-Fylde....

 

[pineapple23]

Because in the grainy pictures of a person behind a car, <modsnip> it appears to me that either the boot space is very large or the back seats are down

I still don't get it. Nicolas neighbour saw the car go off that morning and said nothing was unusual. Nicola Bulley's next-door neighbour speaks for first time since mum disappeared

 

[shinimeggie]

Why would it not be Nicola in the footage, exactly?

Maybe the seats were down, because she was bringing the dog with her.

Maybe they weren't, and it is a big boot.

But they have no reason to show us footage which isn't of the person they're looking for, and people recognised Nicola on the walk; I don't exactly understand what some people are implying by saying they don't think it's her on the doorbell/outside-use cam.

 

[guiser]

I understand and get what you're saying.
I guess what you 'hear' is often influenced by where you're coming from and confirmation bias is a big thing so we'll agree to disagree.

 

[Simplistic67]

Why would it not be Nicola in the footage, exactly?

Maybe the seats were down, because she was bringing the dog with her.

Maybe they weren't, and it is a big boot.

But they have no reason to show us footage which isn't of the person they're looking for, and people recognised Nicola on the walk; I don't exactly understand what some people are implying by saying they don't think it's her on the doorbell/outside-use cam.

If the rear seats are down, where would the children be seated ?
Im probably over analysing things, but I do question everything. Im sorry if its not important to many. I do find it difficult to put into words what Im trying to say.

 

[shinimeggie]

If the rear seats are down, where would the children be seated ?
Im probably over analysing things, but I do question everything. Im sorry if its not important to many. I do find it difficult to put into words what Im trying to say.

I don't even drive so I'm not going to pretend I know enough about cars to know for sure if the seats were down, but it's also possible (aside from it being a huge boot) that just one or two of the seats were down.

Or it's very simply perspective.

I don't really see what a boot has to do with it anyway -- they released the footage for Nicola, not for her car's boot.

 

[pineapple23]

Why would it not be Nicola in the footage, exactly?

Maybe the seats were down, because she was bringing the dog with her.

Maybe they weren't, and it is a big boot.

But they have no reason to show us footage which isn't of the person they're looking for, and people recognised Nicola on the walk; I don't exactly understand what some people are implying by saying they don't think it's her on the doorbell/outside-use cam.

Indeed. Plus the usual car was seen setting off. It was Nicola who dropped off the kids at school (I think they might have noticed if it wasn't her). Nicola was seen at the school. The car was left at the school and Nicola never returned to it.

 

[pineapple23]

I don't even drive so I'm not going to pretend I know enough about cars to know for sure if the seats were down, but it's also possible (aside from it being a huge boot) that just one or two of the seats were down.

Or it's very simply perspective.

I don't really see what a boot has to do with it anyway -- they released the footage for Nicola, not for her car's boot.

I hope that no one is suggesting fake footage as IMO that has connotations which would be against the T&Cs.

 

[shinimeggie]

I hope that no one is suggesting fake footage as IMO that has connotations which would be against the T&Cs.

I have zero idea what's being suggested -- it's very confusing!