UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #13

[katydid23]

I thought "poor little thing" was about Baby N?
But you are right, this good Doctor sounds really caring
No wonder she was bawling her eyes out in court after nearly a decade.

JMO

Doc: 'Oh Lucy, poor little thing and you.

'And you' means she was included in the description of 'poor little thing.'

He does sound very caring and I think she was very excited about his interest in her and I think it was mutual.

 

[Dotta]

I think she was very excited about his interest in her and I think it was mutual.

Who can blame her haha

 

[ColourPurple]

Doc: 'Oh Lucy, poor little thing and you.

'And you' means she was included in the description of 'poor little thing.'

He does sound very caring and I think she was very excited about his interest in her and I think it was mutual.

Either he is genuinely caring or a complete player and knows the right things to say. Either way I can see why he chose to stay anonymous, based on the texts alone.

 

[katydid23]

Personally I think it’s improbable. Their relationship was such that he was offering to lend her his car and he would go collect it from her house after his shift. It sounds like it was fairly easy for her to see him. JMO.

If she was about to leave on her vacation for the holidays though, it would be her chance to see him some more before she left.

He even asked her 'what her plans were' for the holidays.

Doc: Are you doing anything nice before you go on holiday?

It feels to me that they were just on that 'verge' of actually dating. They knew each other socially perhaps, but had not established an actual relationship?

 

[marynnu]

I need help please! Are any of you clever folks clear about the role of team from Alder Hey and whether they were involved in the transport of the baby? And where the delivery of the Factor 8 fits in? I've looked multiple times but somehow can't get the sequence of events straight in my head! Thank you.

 

[Tortoise]

But they might, as a last resort.
Why to even mention this condition?

JMO

I think it's just part of the sequencing evidence that reporters have chosen to report. Like the texts about going to hula-hoop, or Devon. But in this case, depending on what her medical records show, the prosecution might present some evidence about it as a belt and braces approach, just in case jurors might think that tremors could be responsible for trauma or administration of air (for instance).

The defence wouldn't be going through the motions of a six-month trial denying the causes of every collapse and death if they were going to then put to jurors finally that they were all admitted as mistakes or unintentional acts. JMO

 

[Marie Bell]

Either he is genuinely caring or a complete player and knows the right things to say. Either way I can see why he chose to stay anonymous, based on the texts alone.

I get the impression that he is just one of several unnamed witnesses who are unnamed because of certain other legal and/or disciplinary/regulatory proceedings.

 

[ColourPurple]

I get the impression that he is just one of several unnamed witnesses who are unnamed because of certain other legal and/or disciplinary/regulatory proceedings.

It was explained in the Daily Mail podcast that all witnesses were offered the option of remaining anonymous.

 

[katydid23]

I need help please! Are any of you clever folks clear about the role of team from Alder Hey and whether they were involved in the transport of the baby? And where the delivery of the Factor 8 fits in? I've looked multiple times but somehow can't get the sequence of events straight in my head! Thank you.

I'm hoping the newest podcast that drops on Monday will fill in those blanks. It is very vague so far.

There was a mention that the parents were disappointed there was no Factor 8 available---but we don't know if that happened before or after they were told their child needed it:

He [the father] said Letby approached them as they were waiting for the baby to be transferred to Merseyside's Alder Hey Children's Hospital, where he made a full recovery.

Lucy then came up to us,' he said. 'She told us she'd stayed on late past the end of her shift and she said to (my partner), 'I hope he's OK' and gave my partner a hug.

In a statement, the baby's mother said: 'Lucy was our main point of contact through the day because she was tending to (Child N) in between consultants being with him.

"In written statements read to the court, the parents expressed surprise that the neonatal unit had no Factor 8 for their baby, even though they were aware he had haemophilia.

At one point a specialist haemophilia nurse had been sent from Alder Hey Children's Hospital to bring some factor in a taxi.

The father added: 'I remember feeling confused because his sats seemed normal. No one told us what (had) happened or why'."

Lucy Letby 'hugged mother after trying to kill her baby three times'

Lucy Letby is accused of trying to kill Child N three times while working as a neonatal nurse at the Countess of Chester Hospital. She denies all charges against her.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[notsure]

Either he is genuinely caring or a complete player and knows the right things to say. Either way I can see why he chose to stay anonymous, based on the texts alone.

Are we sure this was a male doctor? Sounds more like a caring female colleague to me.

Edited: Sorry, I've just realised it's the same doc her colleague was texting about flirting. Definitely male.

 

[Marie Bell]

It was explained in the Daily Mail podcast that all witnesses were offered the option of remaining anonymous.

Really? I can't think of any reason that the Court would allow that.

 

[marynnu]

I'm hoping the newest podcast that drops on Monday will fill in those blanks. It is very vague so far.

There was a mention that the parents were disappointed there was no Factor 8 available---but we don't know if that happened before or after they were told their child needed it:

He [the father] said Letby approached them as they were waiting for the baby to be transferred to Merseyside's Alder Hey Children's Hospital, where he made a full recovery.

Lucy then came up to us,' he said. 'She told us she'd stayed on late past the end of her shift and she said to (my partner), 'I hope he's OK' and gave my partner a hug.

In a statement, the baby's mother said: 'Lucy was our main point of contact through the day because she was tending to (Child N) in between consultants being with him.

"In written statements read to the court, the parents expressed surprise that the neonatal unit had no Factor 8 for their baby, even though they were aware he had haemophilia.

At one point a specialist haemophilia nurse had been sent from Alder Hey Children's Hospital to bring some factor in a taxi.

The father added: 'I remember feeling confused because his sats seemed normal. No one told us what (had) happened or why'."

Lucy Letby 'hugged mother after trying to kill her baby three times'

Lucy Letby is accused of trying to kill Child N three times while working as a neonatal nurse at the Countess of Chester Hospital. She denies all charges against her.

www.dailymail.co.uk

and

Thanks for putting all that so clearly. At least it's not just me missing something!

 

[ColourPurple]

Really? I can't think of any reason that the Court would allow that.

Yes definitely. It went into a bit more detail in the podcast and there's a transcript of what was said on one of the threads too, if, like me, you prefer reading rather than listening.

 

[katydid23]

Yes definitely. It went into a bit more detail in the podcast and there's a transcript of what was said on one of the threads too, if, like me, you prefer reading rather than listening.

I don't remember all of the details, but IIRC, the jurors and barristers and the judge know the true identities of the witnesses. It is just the general public that they are shielded from. JMO

 

[Dotta]

Either he is genuinely caring or a complete player and knows the right things to say. Either way I can see why he chose to stay anonymous, based on the texts alone.

Too good to be true you mean?

 

[ColourPurple]

@Marie Bell

Here's the transcript Tortoise posted on a previous thread, and a link to the podcast(really interesting podcasts, if you've not had a chance to listen before):

"We thought it was probably worth getting an expert in to help us with all of this, David Banks, he's an expert in media law...

One of the things in this case David, which maybe you can explain whether this is unusual or not, is that the babies at the centre of these allegations are not going to be named, there are quite tight reporting restrictions on this case aren't there at the moment?"

David Banks - "The fundamental principle of the courts here in this country is that we have what they call Open Justice, where everyone gets named, the defendant, the witnesses, the lawyers, everyone involved with the case is named and the public get to see those names and they know who it is. But in some circumstances the courts can order anonymity... It's unusual though to have adult witnesses in court granted anonymity, but in this case an Order has been made doing that, because the view of the court and the judge in the case is that that will allow those witnesses...their evidence will be better for the court if they are granted that anonymity, but what that means though is that the babies have to be given anonymity as well, because if the babies were named then that would lead to the identification of their parents. So it's an unusual situation, it's not unheard of, but it is quite unusual."

The Trial of Lucy Letby, Episode 2: A scrawled post-it note

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UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #11

"I might assume yesterday’s events work in her favour. she wasn’t screaming, she didn’t exit the dock, she headed for the doors had a little chat and then resumed her place. Apparently composed enough but a bit tearful. She seemingly has control and emotion" I'm not so sure..she didn't just...

www.websleuths.com

 

[Tortoise]

Somewhere in their exchange of messages that evening, between 7.48pm and 11pm, there was this (but it's been missed out of the PA write-up) -

Tweets:
Court has been shown numerous messages between Ms Letby and a doctor, who cannot be named for legal reasons. In one of those messages she asks 'What do you think caused his (Child N's) bleed?'

The doctor responds: 'I think there will be a haemangioma or collection. If it was epiglottitis his crp should have been higher because he was starting to become unwell'

Doctor says he's 'optimistic he'll be okay' Ms Letby responds: 'That's brilliant news, thanks for letting me know' - soon after the boy was discharged from Alder Hey hospital

https://twitter.com/MrDanDonoghue

I find his reply interesting after her 11.29am message to him about it looking like a pulmonary bleed on x-ray

JMO

 

[ColourPurple]

Too good to be true you mean?

Or too sweet to be wholesome lol. Seriously though LL described him to her friend as a nice guy, and he comes across as a nice guy in his texts too.

 

[marynnu]

Or too sweet to be wholesome lol. Seriously though LL described him to her friend as a nice guy, and he comes across as a nice guy in his texts too.

I wonder what's been going on in his head the last few years. Romantically or not, he obviously got on well with her. It must all be incredibly hard for her colleagues. I'm not surprised he wanted to remain behind a screen.

 

[katydid23]

Or too sweet to be wholesome lol. Seriously though LL described him to her friend as a nice guy, and he comes across as a nice guy in his texts too.

I get the feeling he really is just a really caring, nice guy. Players who are insincere probably wouldn't offer up their cars and inconvenience themselves in that way. JMO