UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #20

[Marantz4250b]

And LL was monitoring the baby and had access to that bag after it was hung up.

She’s admitted she stuffed handover sheers into her pockets, so she could’ve easily hid a syringe of insulin in her pocket too. Or even an empty one to inject air.

To remind you. You said;

...huge coincidence out of all the staff only LL picked those bags up…don’t you think?

Point is that NOT only Lucy Letby picked up those bags or had access to them!

At least one other nurse hung up one of those bags as has been introduced into evidence already!

 

[Marantz4250b]

And why would she tell the mother to leave when parents are welcome to stay in the unit 24/7 ? WHY did LL want rid of the mum?

Even if the baby was in grave danger and about to die, the staff want the family to be close to them at the very end.

And if LL thought the blood coming his mouth was insignificant she’d have still wanted his mum to be there.

Lucy Lebbitt had a reason to get his mum to leave the ICU unit…IMO

As for the swipe timings on the door, that could be a simple glitch or even LL scanning the mum’s card on her way out by crafty means. Whatever, phone records prove the mum called her husband in distress before she left the ward, which means that scan timing on the door needs looking into as the mum definitely arrived sooner than LL claims or when the card was swiped.

IMO. LL pre-planned many things to try and exonerate herself for possible future investigations.

It has been explained more than once now that the parents get buzzed in. They don't have their own swipe cards!

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[Marantz4250b]

Tbf the ammount of papers she had, she probably killed the poor thing. Possibly took one look at that pile and thought hell no!

I said pages ago that I'd like to see more police pics of the shredder; I still wonder whether it hit its duty cycle leading it to shut off for 20 minutes and her to think it was broken and never try to use it again.

 

[EyeSpyU]

No babies died of insulin overdose. Please read the evidence before posting as it blocks up the feed to keep seeing incorrect posts

That is odd. It’s in all the newspapers that she was accused of injecting the children with insulin? massive levels also

Lucy Letby trial: Astonishing level of insulin found in baby, jury told

Lucy Letby is accused of trying to murder a premature twin boy by intentionally giving him insulin.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[EyeSpyU]

Tbh I think I’m just pleased the surrounding evidence supports my original take on it. No mind though. Says what it says imo

only problem is figuring out what it does indeed say lol
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It’s not just that Which I could understand by itself. No door swipe data corroborating someone coming onto the ward a touch before nine, if equipment was given to the mum to express, if a mom expec to be given The all clear for the9pm feed as per schedule, if she didn’t walk in with someone she was buzzed in both of which would potentially leave a witness to corroborate etc I just think this was a layered process that should have left at least something to corroborate The mms testimony.

if the staff can’t be expected to remember clearly so many years after I wouldn’t necessarily expect the moms recollection to be accurate either.

Yeah I don’t think anyone would remember the exact time they went into a ward 2 years back but a mother would remember seeing her baby with blood coming out his mouth

 

[EyeSpyU]

How is she supposed to practice salsa if she isn’t married

with her cellmate if she goes down

 

[EyeSpyU]

Except in this case there is evidence to back up her version

The feed based on the previous feed was due at 9pm

LL herself wrote she omitted the feed ...at 9pm

The phone records show a call a 9.11pm

To be honest if my baby had died I'd want the truth ..nothing more

I saw she wrote her notes up 2 to 4 hours later tho

 

[marynnu]

That is odd. It’s in all the newspapers that she was accused of injecting the children with insulin? massive levels also

Lucy Letby trial: Astonishing level of insulin found in baby, jury told

Lucy Letby is accused of trying to murder a premature twin boy by intentionally giving him insulin.

www.bbc.co.uk

Yes, but they survived.

 

[EyeSpyU]

Yes, but they survived.

They were very lucky to survive with all that insulin inside them. They must be the babes she‘s been charged of attempted murder and not the 7 she’s been charged of murdering.

 

[EyeSpyU]

Okay, noted.

Maybe it is a US thing and not the same in the UK. Here, the doctor bears primary legal responsibility for the patient and makes the key decisions about patient medical diagnosis and treatment and issues the plan that nurses are asked to follow.

So I thought of the consultants as having a higher rank in the chain of command. But I see that is not the case so thanks for the heads up.

Same here. Doctors have more knowledge and diagnose and decide on treatment. Nurses carry out their duties according to what the doctor tells them. They might not call them superiors but obvs nurses aren’t qualified like a doctor and you have different levels of seniority. Doctors begin as student, then house man, registrar, senior reg, consultant then professor. Nursed are ranked too. Student nurse, staff nurse, sister.

 

[marynnu]

They were very lucky to survive with all that insulin inside them. They must be the babes she‘s been charged of attempted murder and not the 7 she’s been charged of murdering.

There are 17 counts of attempted murder. Have you read up on the trial?

 

[EyeSpyU]

I said pages ago that I'd like to see more police pics of the shredder; I still wonder whether it hit its duty cycle leading it to shut off for 20 minutes and her to think it was broken and never try to use it again.

Is that the shredder she told police she didn’t have and when the police found it she said it was an oversight? ‍

 

[JosieJo]

I saw she wrote her notes up 2 to 4 hours later tho

Sorry to be clear when I say she wrote she omitted feed at 9pm it was on the feed chart which is done in real time not in her notes that she did hours later

 

[Marantz4250b]

That is odd. It’s in all the newspapers that she was accused of injecting the children with insulin? massive levels also

Lucy Letby trial: Astonishing level of insulin found in baby, jury told

Lucy Letby is accused of trying to murder a premature twin boy by intentionally giving him insulin.

www.bbc.co.uk

What's odd about the statement that no babies died of insulin overdose?

 

[EyeSpyU]

There are 17 counts of attempted murder. Have you read up on the trial?

Sure have. She’s been charged with 15 counts of attempted murder and 7 counts of murder. I’ve followed the case since day 1. I never knew it was discussed on here till I came across it and I’m far too busy to read thousands of posts. is that a requirement to post on here, to read every single post?

 

[Marantz4250b]

Is that the shredder she told police she didn’t have and when the police found it she said it was an oversight? ‍

Yes.

 

[JosieJo]

Same here. Doctors have more knowledge and diagnose and decide on treatment. Nurses carry out their duties according to what the doctor tells them. They might not call them superiors but obvs nurses aren’t qualified like a doctor and you have different levels of seniority. Doctors begin as student, then house man, registrar, senior reg, consultant then professor. Nursed are ranked too. Student nurse, staff nurse, sister.

That was how it was in the UK years ago but not now ...most nurses now have a degree ..most band 7s and above have masters degree.
There are many advanced nurse practitioners now doing the same jobs as the house officers , many run their own ward rounds and clinics without Dr's.
In fact my nurse director was a professor

 

[EyeSpyU]

What's odd about the statement that no babies died if insulin overdose?

What’s odd about it according to the senior doctors is that being injected with huge amounts of insulin usually kills a baby, just like Beverley Allit killed some of the babies she was in charge of. It was sheer luck that doctors quickly suspected the babies had massive amounts of insulin inside them and managed to treat them accordingly. I read Lucy Letby killed some of the babies with insulin or sometimes air. But you seem to think she didn’t even though doctors have proven it.

 

[EyeSpyU]

Yes.

Strange. A shredder isn’t really something the average person would forget they had, like if someone asked if they had a printer they’d know wouldn’t they. Wonder what made her forget she had one when the police found it had been used too. Very strange.

 

[Marantz4250b]

What’s odd about it according to the senior doctors is that being injected with huge amounts of insulin usually kills a baby, just like Beverley Allit killed some of the babies she was in charge of. It was sheer luck that doctors quickly suspected the babies had massive amounts of insulin inside them and managed to treat them accordingly. I read Lucy Letby killed some of the babies with insulin or sometimes air. But you seem to think she didn’t even though doctors have proven it.

Well please provide a link to where you read that.

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To ask again, what's odd about it? Its factually correct.