UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #26

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I don’t know, but I know some of her notes referred to items in popular culture. Could the notation Bergerac have something to do with the TV series Bergerac about a detective involved in some controversial topics? Just a thought.
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Perhaps she had a crush on him? John Nettles was quite a "dish" back then.
 
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I've just been looking through the Crown Court Compendium which is a pdf file found linked on this page Crown Court Compendium - June 2022 - Courts and Tribunals Judiciary, concerning jury directions about defendant's lies.

file:///C:/Users/Admin/Downloads/Crown-Court-Compendium-Part-I-June-2022.pdf starting at page 362

1. A defendant’s lie, whether made before the trial or in the course of evidence or both, may be probative of guilt.888 A lie is only capable of supporting other evidence against D if the jury are sure that: 889

(1) it is shown, by other evidence in the case, to be a deliberate untruth; i.e. it did not arise from confusion or mistake;

(2) it relates to a significant issue;

(3) it was not told for a reason advanced by or on behalf of D, or for some other reason arising from the evidence, which does not point to D’s guilt.890

2. The direction should be tailored to the circumstances of the case, but the jury must be directed that only if they are sure that these criteria are satisfied can D’s lie be used as some support for the prosecution case, but that the lie itself cannot prove guilt.891 It is important that care is taken to make clear these criteria.892

3. If the issue for the jury is whether to believe the prosecution witnesses rather than D, and doing so will necessarily lead them to conclude that D was lying in the account he/she gave, such a direction is not necessary.893 This was reiterated in the case of LW. 894

4. Similarly, a lies direction is not needed where D’s explanation for his/her admitted lies can be dealt with fairly in summing-up.895

[...]

9. Whether a direction should be given to the jury in respect of any admitted or proved lie/s should be the subject of discussion with the advocates before speeches. 901 In particular, care should be taken to identify with the advocates the lie/s in respect of which the direction is to be given.

10. Before the jury may use an alleged or admitted lie against D, they must be sure of all of the following:

(1) that it is either admitted or shown, by other evidence in the case, to be a deliberate untruth: i.e. it did not arise from confusion or mistake;

(2) that it relates to a significant issue; and

(3) that it was not told for a reason advanced by or on behalf of D, or some other reason arising from the evidence, which does not point to D’s guilt.

11. The jury must be directed that unless they are sure of all of the above, the [alleged] lie is not relevant and must be ignored.

12. If the jury are sure of all of the above, they may use the lie as some support for the prosecution case, but it must be made clear that a lie can never by itself prove guilt.
 
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I am super impressed with how Mr NJ KC came through for the prosecution. I know Myers is good and I can see the talent there for 'building momentum' but Mr NJ KC was second to none in his patient and tactical approach.
His background in white collar crime must have left Myers very little room for manoeuvre in terms of catching out prosecution witnesses. Then when it came to dealing with letby herself he was very clever at remaining unpredictable and 'coming back to things later when she wasn't ready for them.
Finally, what I liked about NJ was that he knows when to quit. He knows how to get the defendent to say just enough for the jury to make an inference.
I do agree, but doubt whether his background in white collar crime is the key to NJ KC's skill. The prosecutor in this case, Nick Johnson KC of Harrington Street Chambers, Liverpool, seems to specialise in serious crime, murder, gross negligence manslaughter, gangland executions, etc. Not a lot of white-collar crime as far as I can see.

Nick Johnson KC

However there’s another Nick Johnson KC in the north of England who specialises in fraud and other financial crime:

Nick Johnson KC - Overview CV | Exchange Chambers

For several days I mistakenly thought he was our man, as I said on the last thread, and I wonder if you might be doing the same.
 
It is just a number! :D

And remember,
enjoy yourself now
because you will never be as young as today haha

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Oh yes, and it's better than the alternative, etc!
I'm just wondering if the seven or eight years I have on marynnu are crucial in determining the dishiness or otherwise of John Nettles as Bergerac...but I doubt if this is relevant to the case!
 
I do agree, but doubt whether his background in white collar crime is the key to NJ KC's skill. The prosecutor in this case, Nick Johnson KC of Harrington Street Chambers, Liverpool, seems to specialise in serious crime, murder, gross negligence manslaughter, gangland executions, etc. Not a lot of white-collar crime as far as I can see.

Nick Johnson KC

However there’s another Nick Johnson KC in the north of England who specialises in fraud and other financial crime:

Nick Johnson KC - Overview CV | Exchange Chambers

For several days I mistakenly thought he was our man, as I said on the last thread, and I wonder if you might be doing the same.
Ahh maybe I am!!
 
Noe you mention it, yes!
I'm sure that's the connection, tbh.

I think it unlikely that LL has much cognitive connection to the Bergerac TV show, though - good that it was.

In other news - my trip for the Jersey air show in September will be confirmed tomorrow! For any other Web Sleuthers who are in the area at the time.....we'll be on the grass in St Aubin's Bay with loads of snacks and a bag full of fizzy wine bought from from the Morrison's shop in a garage just up from the Grand Hotel!
 
I do agree, but doubt whether his background in white collar crime is the key to NJ KC's skill. The prosecutor in this case, Nick Johnson KC of Harrington Street Chambers, Liverpool, seems to specialise in serious crime, murder, gross negligence manslaughter, gangland executions, etc. Not a lot of white-collar crime as far as I can see.

Nick Johnson KC

However there’s another Nick Johnson KC in the north of England who specialises in fraud and other financial crime:

Nick Johnson KC - Overview CV | Exchange Chambers

For several days I mistakenly thought he was our man, as I said on the last thread, and I wonder if you might be doing the same.
Yeah i thought it was the younger NJ for a while.
 
Yeah i thought it was the younger NJ for a while.
I wondered what people thought about NJ periodically referring to the defendent by her full name?
Is this the norm in court? I thought they usually used 'ms' or 'mister'
It kind of reminded me of in school where the teacher spits out the students full name before telling them to 'stand up'
He was all about 'What do you think of that then, Lucy Letby?'
 
I wondered what people thought about NJ periodically referring to the defendent by her full name?
Is this the norm in court? I thought they usually used 'ms' or 'mister'
It kind of reminded me of in school where the teacher spits out the students full name before telling them to 'stand up'
He was all about 'What do you think of that then, Lucy Letby?'
He does have a bit of headmaster vibe to him in person. I hope we get the full closing speeches tomorrow and not just Mr Johnson’s greatest hits.
 
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