UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #27

[Becky53]

3:20pm

The trial is resuming following a short break.

3:24pm

Mr Myers says Ashleigh Hudson had been away from nursery room 2 'for about 15 minutes', and when she comes back, no-one is in the nursery. He says Letby is in the doorway of 'a small room'.
He says there was 'certainly enough light' for nurse Hudson to feed Child I. He says she 'embarked on a lighting reconstruction' five years later, with the lighting level 'made for the purpose of this investigation'. He says the light would be 'so dark' to 'put the milk in the bottle'.
He says Nicola Dennison said the babies were arranged so you can look at them. He says the defence case is that is at odds with what Ashleigh Hudson had given.


3:26pm

Mr Myers says Letby had, in cross-examination, said she had more experience what she was 'looking for - at.'
He says this was the fifth day of cross-exmanation, when Letby was increasingly tired and finding it difficult to concentrate.
He says there is no meaningful difference between the words 'for' and 'at'.
He adds room 2 has a window between the corridor and the nursery. He says it is "unrealistic" to say the room was "impossible" to look in and see babies.

3:30pm

Mr Myers asks what evidence there is for air embolus, as there was no NG Tube. He says Dr Bohin relied upon discolouration of sternum. He says extensive CPR took place on Child I after this collapse, and there was bruising as a result.

3:32pm

Mr Myers says there is no clear basis as to what have happened, unless someone had used a 'mobile NG Tube in the most improbable of circumstances'.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, June 28 - defence closing speech

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

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[marynnu]

3:20pm

The trial is resuming following a short break.

3:24pm

Mr Myers says Ashleigh Hudson had been away from nursery room 2 'for about 15 minutes', and when she comes back, no-one is in the nursery. He says Letby is in the doorway of 'a small room'.
He says there was 'certainly enough light' for nurse Hudson to feed Child I. He says she 'embarked on a lighting reconstruction' five years later, with the lighting level 'made for the purpose of this investigation'. He says the light would be 'so dark' to 'put the milk in the bottle'.
He says Nicola Dennison said the babies were arranged so you can look at them. He says the defence case is that is at odds with what Ashleigh Hudson had given.


3:26pm

Mr Myers says Letby had, in cross-examination, said she had more experience what she was 'looking for - at.'
He says this was the fifth day of cross-exmanation, when Letby was increasingly tired and finding it difficult to concentrate.
He says there is no meaningful difference between the words 'for' and 'at'.
He adds room 2 has a window between the corridor and the nursery. He says it is "unrealistic" to say the room was "impossible" to look in and see babies.

3:30pm

Mr Myers asks what evidence there is for air embolus, as there was no NG Tube. He says Dr Bohin relied upon discolouration of sternum. He says extensive CPR took place on Child I after this collapse, and there was bruising as a result.

3:32pm

Mr Myers says there is no clear basis as to what have happened, unless someone had used a 'mobile NG Tube in the most improbable of circumstances'.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, June 28 - defence closing speech

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

I wonder if he actually said air embolus or if it's been mis-reported? Because that is nothing to do with NG tubes.

 

[Becky53]

3:39pm

Mr Myers says abdominal distention is a running theme for Child I, and while that does not mean harm was not done, it does not alone form the basis of an intent to kill.
He says: "we keep having incidents where Letby isn't doing anything she shouldn't do".
He says the defence are critical of the theory of air down the NG Tube. He says it is a theory that has been done to support the prosecution. He asks how much air is needed, and how long it takes.

3:43pm

He says for the final event, there are two signficant desaturations, one just before midnight, seen by Ashleigh Hudson, who is not sure why. He says there is a similar event at 1.06am the following morning, on October 23, when Child I does not recover and dies at 2.30am. He says the difference with the latter is Lucy Letby is there. He asks what the difference is between the two events.
He says Child I was a very poorly baby before this night, and Child I "would have been under terrible stress".

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, June 28 - defence closing speech

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[Becky53]

I wonder if he actually said air embolus or if it's been mis-reported? Because that is nothing to do with NG tubes.

Honestly have no idea what’s being reported as I’m not reading them and just looking at the time of the updates to post - keeping an eye on my blood pressure IYNWIM

 

[Music2022]

He says Child I was on antibiotics up to a few hours before the collapse, not 48 hours as the prosecution had said.

These types of things should be simple to establish who is telling the truth. Do the jury have timed original notes to show when antibiotics were given?

 

[Becky53]

3:50pm

Mr Myers says Dr John Gibbs noted: 'Poor response to second resuscitation might have been to heart being compromised by previous...collapses'.
He says the evidence was the abdomen became distended in response to the first collapse, as Ashleigh Hudson had noted the 'abdo soft' at 23.57pm. A radiograph after the collapse showed a distended abdomen.
He says Dr Evans and Dr Bohin 'made a lot' of Child I's crying at the time. He says the experts had worked this symptom in during the course of their evidence as a sign of air embolus. He asks whether there was supposed to be an air embolus at 11.57pm, at 1.06am, or both.

3:56pm

Mr Myers asks about the allegation Letby amended a time on a document: "So what?" He asks about the relevance of it. He asks what is meant to establish that it was done deliberately, rather than a mistake.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, June 28 - defence closing speech

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[Sundial]

3:39pm

Mr Myers says abdominal distention is a running theme for Child I, and while that does not mean harm was not done, it does not alone form the basis of an intent to kill.
He says: "we keep having incidents where Letby isn't doing anything she shouldn't do".
He says the defence are critical of the theory of air down the NG Tube. He says it is a theory that has been done to support the prosecution. He asks how much air is needed, and how long it takes.

3:43pm

He says for the final event, there are two signficant desaturations, one just before midnight, seen by Ashleigh Hudson, who is not sure why. He says there is a similar event at 1.06am the following morning, on October 23, when Child I does not recover and dies at 2.30am. He says the difference with the latter is Lucy Letby is there. He asks what the difference is between the two events.
He says Child I was a very poorly baby before this night, and Child I "would have been under terrible stress".

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, June 28 - defence closing speech

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

Snipped and bolded for focus by me;

3:39pm

Mr Myers says abdominal distention is a running theme for Child I, and while that does not mean harm was not done, it does not alone form the basis of an intent to kill.

Interesting. Appears as though they accept harm was done regardless of whether it was intent to kill or not.

Going off topic slightly too; yesterday I also noted BM said LL had sent baby Es mum a condolence card. I don’t recall hearing that previously. Even more interesting, LL had said previously that when she had sent one to baby Is mother (I think it was), it was something she hadn’t done before and it was just this one occasion. Unless I’m completely mistaken of course but I’ve found a lot of the things LL has said (both in police interview and on the stand), seem to be at odds with some of the things BM has said. A lot of conflicting stuff.

Jmo if guilty etc

 

[Becci]

To my mind this ceasing of looking up the parents is significant and 'means' something... but what!?

I wonder if she had incidentally come off FB for separate reasons? For example, a lot of people migrated off FB a few years ago when it became mainstream news that FB was tracking and influencing algorithms and mining one's data, plus it went out of fashion with the younger generation. Also depending on what device she was using, a lot of people took FB off their mobile phones due to the advancement of things like WhatsApp and SnapChat. Plus the amount of space it takes up.

Maybe she just deleted the app off her phone and then didn't do it any more?

JMO MOO

She moved into her new house in april 2016 according to google so i guess she was probably pre occupied.

 

[JosieJo]

Myers skipped over the first insulin case rather quickly

 

[Becky53]

@MrDanDonoghue
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@MrDanDonoghue
Mr Myers reads a statement from Child I's mother - which wasn't read back to the jury during cross examination - it appears to corroborate what Ms Letby had logged. Child I's mother recalled Ms Letby going to get a 'female doctor' to review Child I at 15:00

@MrDanDonoghue
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@MrDanDonoghue
Mr Myers says Ms Letby was 'hauled over the coals' for this and accused of 'lying and making stuff up' 'That’s what happened…(Child I's) mum remembers it and she talks about it in the statement'

@MrDanDonoghue
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@MrDanDonoghue
Mr Myers has took the jury back to what was said about an incident on 13 October 2015. The court has previously heard that nurse Ashleigh Hudson, Child I's designated nurse, had asked Ms Letby to keep an eye on the infant as she was required to help a colleague

@MrDanDonoghue
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@MrDanDonoghue
When she returned, she said Ms Letby was "standing in the doorway" and pointed out that Child I was "pale" and needed attention. Ms Hudson said in evidence that room was dark and that the baby girl could not be seen from where Ms Letby was stood.

@MrDanDonoghue
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@MrDanDonoghue
In cross examination, Ms Letby said "I had more experience so I knew what I was looking for" Mr Jonson responded saying "What do you mean looking 'for'?". After a pause Ms Letby responded "yeah I didn't mean it like that".

@MrDanDonoghue
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@MrDanDonoghue
Mr Myers also explained that nursery two had a window between the corridor and the nursery and that it is therefore "unrealistic" to say it was "impossible" to see anything

@MrDanDonoghue
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@MrDanDonoghue
Mr Myers said this was the fifth day of cross-examination, when Ms Letby was tired and finding it difficult to concentrate. He said there is no meaningful difference between the words 'for' and 'at'.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

She moved into her new house in april 2016 according to google so i guess she was probably pre occupied.

OK and maybe she didn't much spare time on her hands and maybe didn't have the wifi installed for ages or something too?

 

[Becky53]

3:59pm

He refers to the sympathy card Letby had sent for the parents of Child I, a photo of which was taken while she was at work.
He says another photo was taken of a card she had sent to some friends. He says it had been heard this was something she did. He said the sympathy card was sent as she could not go to the funeral of Child I.
Mr Myers says evidence had been heard by Lucy Beebe saying Letby was 'crying' after the death of Child I, saying: 'Why is it always me?' He says that was a genuine response by her.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, June 28 - defence closing speech

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

3:59pm

He refers to the sympathy card Letby had sent for the parents of Child I, a photo of which was taken while she was at work.
He says another photo was taken of a card she had sent to some friends. He says it had been heard this was something she did. He said the sympathy card was sent as she could not go to the funeral of Child I.
Mr Myers says evidence had been heard by Lucy Beebe saying Letby was 'crying' after the death of Child I, saying: 'Why is it always me?' He says that was a genuine response by her.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, June 28 - defence closing speech

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

'always me' is pretty damning words out of her own mouth

IMO JMO

 

[marynnu]

'always me' is pretty damning words out of her own mouth

IMO JMO

I always found this very odd. To me it just feels like attention-seeking. JMO

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I always found this very odd. To me it just feels like attention-seeking. JMO

Or maybe a self-conscious awareness that others must surely be noticing it's 'always her' and trying to do a poor me victim stance cover up? JMO MOO

 

[marynnu]

Or maybe a self-conscious awareness that others must surely be noticing it's 'always her' and trying to do a poor me victim stance cover up? JMO MOO

Well, exactly. Nice deflection, you have to hand it to her

 

[Music2022]

Interesting. Appears as though they accept harm was done regardless of whether it was intent to kill or not.

I can’t figure out the defence line. It keeps switching between: no proof of intentional harm it was all natural/hospital negligence to there was intentional harm but it wasn’t Lucy to if there was intentional harm by Lucy is wasn’t attempted murder.

 

[Becky53]

Honestly have no idea what’s being reported as I’m not reading them and just looking at the time of the updates to post - keeping an eye on my blood pressure IYNWIM

Replying to myself (how sad!)

I must admit the tweets were hard to bypass as I had to read a few of the words.

Away for my appointment now for an asthma review which includes a dreaded blood pressure check.

 

[Kemug]

I’m still waiting for BM to present anything he dismisses medically with any kind of expert analysis, and I’m still waiting because he doesn’t have anything like that. This is all just the defence team’s position, it’s not backed up with anything. JMHO.

I suppose he can always recall the plumber!

 

[Blondiexoxo]

To my mind this ceasing of looking up the parents is significant and 'means' something... but what!?

I wonder if she had incidentally come off FB for separate reasons? For example, a lot of people migrated off FB a few years ago when it became mainstream news that FB was tracking and influencing algorithms and mining one's data, plus it went out of fashion with the younger generation. Also depending on what device she was using, a lot of people took FB off their mobile phones due to the advancement of things like WhatsApp and SnapChat. Plus the amount of space it takes up.

Maybe she just deleted the app off her phone and then didn't do it any more?

JMO MOO

I think there could be 2 possibilities if guilty as to why the searches seemed to tail off.
Did the Facebook searching stop around the time doc choc came on the scene? Maybe she was preoccupied with him and then if guilty, her motive shifted to being more about getting his attention, getting him on the ward and wanting him to think she was such a wonderful nurse. Instead of spending her time searching for parents on Facebook maybe she was looking him up instead, day dreaming about what their future could be like and planning ways to get him in the ward so she could demonstrate her excellent skills. I still think she fantasised about them having a greys anatomy style romance, bonding over battling to save lives and comforting eachother in the aftermath while he healed praise on her.

Also, if guilty, she went through a spell where her attempts were unsuccessful. Babies J K L M N all survived (although K did pass away after being moved to another hospital) . Her attempts failed. Maybe if guilty she was more interested in keeping track of the parents of babies she actually killed, maybe she realised that the parents of the babies who died would be more likely to post things on social media about their grief. I doubt there was much to see with the ones who were harmed but survived. I think that could be the most likely scenario IMO only if guilty though. That she had more of an interest in viewing the grief of parents whose babies died, the ones who survived were less significant and although she did search for those parents, she didn’t do so as often as say baby E’s mum for example. If she was also wanting to check if any of the parents felt the death of their child was suspicious, if they were posting about possibly taking it further or requesting an investigation I think she’d be looking for the ones who lost a baby as opposed to the ones whose babies lived. Those parents probably wouldn’t be as likely to be suspicious. All MOO

By the time we got to baby O P & Q the deaths happened in such quick succession and were followed immediately by her removal from the unit, I doubt she had time to even think about searching for the parents, only when it was the anniversary of O & P’s death did she search for their surname. I notice she only made a couple of searches after being removed from the unit, if guilty I think she was aware of how her search history could be looked at, but then curiosity got the better of her a few times and she just had to know if the parents were posting about the investigation or mentioning her name specifically.

All MOO