UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #27

[CS2C]

Do we think we get reporters in the court tomorrow ?
If not I will have to take matters into my own hands and drive up there lol

 

[katydid23]

I understand

In fact, if I weren't so cautious,
the final dot above "i" and cross in "t" would be this house overlooking the Babies' Memorial Garden.

And if there was ever a film about this case,
I imagine the final scene would be the camera gliding slowly over the owls on the wall in the empty nursery in semi darkness,
and then through the open window to this Garden in the cemetery - with wind gently moving the flowers put on the tiny graves.

JMO

I totally agree. It is really hard for me to write that off as a random coincidence. I can't believe that the only home she could find or afford happened to overlook the cemetery with a window view of the babie's gravesites.

Especially since one of the theories was that she enjoyed sharing the grief with the victim's families. And now, coincidentally, she can watch babie's funeral services from her window?

Throughout the entire trial, we are asked by the defense to overlook 'coincidence' after 'coincidence' to avoid LL looking guilty.

 

[Tortoise]

It's quite incredible, from my point of view, that BM cast aspersions on Dr Bohin without basis.

It seems to me to be something he contrived out of thin air, just for the purposes of saying they can't trust the medical evidence. Very thin argument, so thin you can't really see it at all for looking. IMO

 

[Lincoln34]

Do we think we get reporters in the court tomorrow ?
If not I will have to take matters into my own hands and drive up there lol

Please do.

 

[CS2C]

Chester standard are there

 

[notsure]

Do we think we get reporters in the court tomorrow ?
If not I will have to take matters into my own hands and drive up there lol

I imagine it will be packed for this final part of the trial. Standing room only, maybe?

 

[Dotta]

Chester standard are there

I told you so!

I guess Dan will join them soon.
And, of course, DM

 

[CS2C]

I imagine it will be packed for this final part of the trial. Standing room only, maybe?

No I highly doubt it. Probably even less busy then when Letby was on the stand. There are always free seats available.

 

[CS2C]

Jury aren’t sitting Friday July 7th apparently

 

[Dotta]

Jury aren’t sitting Friday July 7th apparently

Does it mean the Judge will have to read even faster??

 

[CS2C]

Does it mean the Judge will have to read even faster??

Yeah I’m wondering if this will affect when the jury are sent out or whether the judge thinks he can get it done in 4 days.

 

[Dotta]

Yeah I’m wondering if this will affect when the jury are sent out or whether the judge thinks he can get it done in 4 days.

Well,
I guess the Jury might need longer weekend before starting deliberations.

One needs to be well rested!!!

 

[Tortoise]

Does it mean the Judge will have to read even faster??

Morning all!

I am sooo pleased we've got reporting today. Yayyy!!

If he's going to get this done in four days I think he must have a different plan, which doesn't involve any speeding!

 

[GoodDayToYouSir]

If the defence was more consistent with science, why didn't they have any scientific experts testify during their case?

Meyers criticised the Crown's experts, but he is not a trained medical expert, so why didn't he bring one in to support his presentation?

Just catching up on everything after being away for a couple of days looking after my poorly child.

I read a post from someone who attended court last week to listen to the defence closing, and they said that Ben Myers is actually regularly referring to a load of research papers which have been submitted into evidence, along with the pathology reports . The reporting is not mentioning the documents he cites, but they do exist and are being referred to.

That, of course doesn’t answer the question of whether what Ben Myers claims the reports say is in fact correct, or indeed whether the thing being referred to in the report is as relevant and strong a point in relation to rebutting the prosecution’s evidence as BM claims, but it does add some colour to what he is saying. From the reporting I read about last week, it does come across as though he is mostly free styling the medical points he is making, but if in fact he is making the points and referring to documents entered into evidence, it makes his closing seem more credible in my opinion.

 

[Tortoise]

Ooh just remembered. It's another anniversary.

Five years ago today, LL was sleeping peacefully with her bags of handover sheets, woken by police bashing on her door, and carted away in her leisuresuit.

 

[marynnu]

I just found out that today is National Bereaved Parents Day (July is bereaved parents awareness month). How sad is that.

 

[DianaWW]

Just catching up on everything after being away for a couple of days looking after my poorly child.

I read a post from someone who attended court last week to listen to the defence closing, and they said that Ben Myers is actually regularly referring to a load of research papers which have been submitted into evidence, along with the pathology reports . The reporting is not mentioning the documents he cites, but they do exist and are being referred to.

That, of course doesn’t answer the question of whether what Ben Myers claims the reports say is in fact correct, or indeed whether the thing being referred to in the report is as relevant and strong a point in relation to rebutting the prosecution’s evidence as BM claims, but it does add some colour to what he is saying. From the reporting I read about last week, it does come across as though he is mostly free styling the medical points he is making, but if in fact he is making the points and referring to documents entered into evidence, it makes his closing seem more credible in my opinion.

The problem is, you can find ‘evidence’ for almost anything if you look for it, you can find research papers for anything and everything. It’s whether or not they stand up to scrutiny in the context of these babies is what’s important, and we don’t know if they do. In fact when he put his theories to the experts on the stand during cross-examination, they were often able to give reasons why what he was saying wasn’t applicable, or very unlikely etc. JMO.

I can’t believe we’re nearly at the end. Finally.

 

[Tortoise]

Just catching up on everything after being away for a couple of days looking after my poorly child.

I read a post from someone who attended court last week to listen to the defence closing, and they said that Ben Myers is actually regularly referring to a load of research papers which have been submitted into evidence, along with the pathology reports . The reporting is not mentioning the documents he cites, but they do exist and are being referred to.

That, of course doesn’t answer the question of whether what Ben Myers claims the reports say is in fact correct, or indeed whether the thing being referred to in the report is as relevant and strong a point in relation to rebutting the prosecution’s evidence as BM claims, but it does add some colour to what he is saying. From the reporting I read about last week, it does come across as though he is mostly free styling the medical points he is making, but if in fact he is making the points and referring to documents entered into evidence, it makes his closing seem more credible in my opinion.

I think these are likely to be the research papers used by Dr Bohin and Professor Arthurs, submitted into evidence, which Myers made reference to last Tuesday. Recap: Lucy Letby trial, June 27 - defence closing speech

 

[Tortoise]

8:33am

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is expected to continue today.
We will be bringing you live updates throughout the day, in what is the 35th week of the trial before a jury.
For a recap of the trial so far, visit our index here: Countess nurse Lucy Letby: What has happened in trial so far

8:36am

Today, trial judge Mr Justice James Goss is expected to begin his summing up of the case, a process which is expected to last this week. Members of the jury have already been told they will not be sitting on Friday, July 7.
The judge has already given his preliminary directions of law to the jury. These were given prior to the prosecution and defence closing speeches, the latter of which concluded last Friday.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, July 3 - judge's summing up

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

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[GoodDayToYouSir]

I think these are likely to be the research papers used by Dr Bohin and Professor Arthurs, submitted into evidence, which Myers made reference to last Tuesday. Recap: Lucy Letby trial, June 27 - defence closing speech

Quite possibly. The post didn’t go into detail about the papers being referred to.