VERDICT WATCH UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #30

[gc105]

I bet it’s got pineapple on as well.

“What the heck is that?!
Who puts broccoli on pizza!
That’s it, I’m done!
Congratulations San Francisco, you've ruined pizza! First the Hawaiians, and now YOU!”

#DisneyLoyal

 

[Becky53]

What's occurring...as Nessa would say

I was thinking that after @CS2C posted about her book early this morning.

 

[JosieJo]

Can they give partial verdicts and not tell us ? Is that a thing ...nooooo

 

[Sweeper2000]

“What the heck is that?!
Who puts broccoli on pizza!
That’s it, I’m done!
Congratulations San Francisco, you've ruined pizza! First the Hawaiians, and now YOU!”

#DisneyLoyal

You got a bit of Italian in you? Lol

 

[Tortoise]

Can they give partial verdicts and not tell us ? Is that a thing ...nooooo

Yes they can, it's a decision that would probably be made in a case of this enormity too I reckon.

 

[marynnu]

Daydreaming about pineapple on pizza - yes, I love it!

 

[gc105]

Can they give partial verdicts and not tell us ? Is that a thing ...nooooo

I think they can, according to the information @Tortoise previously posted. I’ve copied and pasted below (thanks tortoise )

21-6 Taking partial verdicts
ARCHBOLD 4-516 and 522; BLACKSTONE’S D19.69, CrimPD 8.6.5

1. Where there are several counts (or alternative verdicts) left to the jury, the judge has a discretion in deciding when to take or ask the jury if it has reached any unanimous verdicts. The circumstances of the case may give rise to the view that it is more desirable to give the majority direction before taking any unanimous verdicts. If that is considered appropriate then, instead of being asked about each count in turn, the clerk should ask the jury: “Have you reached verdicts upon which you are all agreed in respect of all defendants and/or all counts?” If, on the other hand, it is considered to be appropriate to take the verdicts on some counts even if the jury may not have reached verdicts on all of them then the clerk can adjust the enquiry to allow for that: “Have you reached a verdict upon which you are all agreed on any count and/or in respect of any defendant?” If the jury answer in the affirmative then the clerk would proceed to ask the jury about each count/defendant in turn and any guilty verdicts can be recorded at that stage.

2. If there are a large number of counts and/or defendants, consideration could be given to inviting the jury to indicate the particular counts and/or defendants in respect of which they have reached a unanimous verdict. If that course is to be adopted, it is important that the jury are told in advance so that they understand what they are being asked to do. It would also be sensible to discuss such a course with the parties. In a case in which there are numerous counts the jury should be told that they may find it helpful to make a written record of the verdicts on each count so that the foreman does not get confused when returning verdicts.

3. Views may vary as to whether verdicts should be taken piecemeal or all at the same time. It is suggested that there is no ‘right’ answer. Taking partial verdicts may have the advantage of resolving some counts leaving the jury free to concentrate on the others. Some judges, however, consider that taking some verdicts in advance of the jury resolving all of them may potentially lead to difficulties. The jury’s assessment of the correct verdict on one count may be influenced by their decision on another and accordingly it may be better to leave the jury in a position to revisit their decision on one count in the light of their resolving another count at a later stage of their deliberations. It is suggested that this is quintessentially an area of judicial ‘feel’ in the context of the circumstances that may pertain in a particular case.

4. If verdicts are taken on some, but not all, counts consideration should be given to the need for orders under s.4(2) Contempt of Court Act 1981 to postpone the reporting of the verdicts initially returned, until the jury have completed their deliberations and returned all verdicts.

 

[gc105]

You got a bit of Italian in you? Lol

Hahahaha I wish - 100% Scottish/British
Burn in any temperature above 17 Celsius

 

[Parker Knoll]

I HEART pineapple on pizza !

 

[CS2C]

I feel so nervous, can't even imagine how Letby must be feeling

 

[Dcflag]

surely if giving partial verdicts.. the press would be allowed to be there just not report? Or would report something? Even if it were along the lines of legal discussion? It sounds like there’s just nothing.

I’m also presuming we would get a 30m heads up as well as them? (If they were looking at verdicts today)

 

[squish]

I feel so nervous, can't even imagine how Letby must be feeling

Probably completely unbothered tbh. She knows she’s guilty.

But she’ll put on a show for her parents when the verdicts come in.

 

[Sweeper2000]

I feel so nervous, can't even imagine how Letby must be feeling

“Awful”.

eta or maybe “rubbish”?

 

[JosieJo]

Would they take partial verdicts in a case where the judge has specifically said they can rely on their verdicts to influence others ?

 

[gc105]

Could there be a news embargo in place ATM until they have all their ducks in a row?

The complete silence across all the media is very strange! No acknowledgement of the case/juror deliberations across MSM/SM since yesterday evening.

 

[CS2C]

It was strange in that message that literally nothing appeared to be happening at court. The only thing I can think of is that the Judge is speaking to the Jury (If that is possible)

 

[gc105]

Would they take partial verdicts in a case where the judge has specifically said they can rely on their verdicts to influence others ?

I assume they would, as would rather get guilty for some/most than none if there is any uncertainty amongst juror members for some of the cases.

 

[MachinaCollecta]

Hey all, long time no speak! Depression etc keeping me glued to other avenues, but been reading all along and hoping today is the day that justice will be done.

 

[marynnu]

Could there be a news embargo in place ATM until they have all their ducks in a row?

The complete silence across all the media is very strange! No acknowledgement of the case/juror deliberations across MSM/SM since yesterday evening.

It does seem very strange. It's not been like this before as far as I know.

 

[Parker Knoll]

Clutching at straws but I was thinking possibly a news embargo for some reason.
It may be so parents can get over to Manchester ? It’s unusual but for this case what IS usual ?