VERDICT WATCH UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #30

[marynnu]

I don’t know about the UK, but insulin is available over the counter (OTC) in the U.S. If a nurse were planning to harm their patients, it’s possible they could bring it to work in their pocket or work bag. IMO.

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You need a prescription in the UK.

 

[Dotta]

But you don't need prescription for AIR

 

[WaxLyrical]

The thing is according to the clinical biochemist it was spotted:

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Friday, November 25

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more,…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

I would be very interested to know who took that call and what happened with that information. It's particularly baffling that they apparently just shrugged their shoulders as the thrust of the evidence of the consultant group is that they already had concerns about (implicitly non-accidental) harm at this time:

Doctor ‘wishes he had gone straight to police over Lucy Letby concerns’

Letby is accused of murdering seven babies and attempting to murder 10 others at the Countess of Chester Hospital between June 2015 and June 2016.

www.bracknellnews.co.uk

It should be noted that Victorino Chua's conviction was in the May of that year, and I imagine it would particularly have been a major news story in the North West:

Stepping Hill murders: how Victorino Chua's poisonings were uncovered

The nurse convicted of murdering patients was caught after a night of curious incidents, but his motive remains a mystery

www.theguardian.com

The court hears Guildford has a specialist, separate laboratory for such analysis in insulin, although the advice given to send the sample is not usually taken up by hospitals.

not usually?

How often an occurrence is it?!

 

[esther43]

The thing is according to the clinical biochemist it was spotted:

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Friday, November 25

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more,…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

I would be very interested to know who took that call and what happened with that information. It's particularly baffling that they apparently just shrugged their shoulders as the thrust of the evidence of the consultant group is that they already had concerns about (implicitly non-accidental) harm at this time:

Doctor ‘wishes he had gone straight to police over Lucy Letby concerns’

Letby is accused of murdering seven babies and attempting to murder 10 others at the Countess of Chester Hospital between June 2015 and June 2016.

www.bracknellnews.co.uk

It should be noted that Victorino Chua's conviction was in the May of that year, and I imagine it would particularly have been a major news story in the North West:

Stepping Hill murders: how Victorino Chua's poisonings were uncovered

The nurse convicted of murdering patients was caught after a night of curious incidents, but his motive remains a mystery

www.theguardian.com

Exactly my point. It was spotted and interpreted incorrectly. Anyone who knows anything about serial killers knows that the cpeptide result was incoherent. So why do people in the NHS not know this? How can this be mitigated. Trust induction is the answer jmo

 

[katydid23]

I don’t know about the UK, but insulin is available over the counter (OTC) in the U.S. If a nurse were planning to harm their patients, it’s possible they could bring it to work in their pocket or work bag. IMO.

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You can buy insulin at Walmart for $25 per vial, but these insulin options are not the same as today's newer insulins. Here is what you need to know.

diabetesstrong.com

You don't need a prescription to buy insulin? That surprises me.

 

[Eloise]

I think, IF guilty, LL was more cunning and sly than Alitt was. Alitt didnt make much of an effort to change up her MO, or to try and camouflage her actions. LL changed things up continuously, allegedly using various attack methods and allegedly targeting babies under the care of other colleagues, successfully prolonging the crime spree.
Allit seemed to be a lot more obvious and was caught sooner and with less subterfuge, to give any reasonable doubt. JMO

Sure. I wasn't saying they were exactly the same. I still don't think its so much more difficult for the jury to work out that its taking so much longer, though.
I can't help but wonder if there's not a jury member or two who is dragging this out for no good reason whatsoever. Insisting on looking at every single case in a vacuum, even though the judge himself said you don't have to do that. I'd be utterly past the point of patience if I was on the jury.

 

[marynnu]

Exactly my point. It was spotted and interpreted incorrectly. Anyone who knows anything about serial killers knows that the cpeptide result was incoherent. So why do people in the NHS not know this? How can this be mitigated. Trust induction is the answer jmo

The lab staff knew, which should have been enough. It seems that the significance of this was not communicated. I'm sure it will be now though!

 

[Dotta]

Dbm

 

[notsure]

This is so true, I was recently chatting with a guy who works in aviation engineering and safety and he said exactly this - that when there's a mechanical failure revealed, it can be immediately corrected and will never happen again.

In the health care system, those lessons are not always learned and applied subsequently across all hospitals, unfortunately. Partly due to lack of funding.

We're constantly hearing of tragic deaths in hospitals, in which people say "the lessons have not been learned."

Just search UK maternity scandal and avoidable baby deaths in hospital.

 

[esther43]

In the health care system, those lessons are not always learned and applied subsequently across all hospitals, unfortunately. Partly due to lack of funding.

We're constantly hearing of tragic deaths in hospitals, in which people say "the lessons have not been learned."

Yes, in the case of Charles Cullen, the nurse he worked alongside spotted the c-peptide variation, understood that it was 'off' but also didn't appreciate the significance of this and more patients died than they would have, had the nurse known the significance of this.

 

[Parker Knoll]

Criminal have released their latest podcast and it covers Charles Cullen, will take a listen later whilst gardening IN THE RAIN !
Lots of similarities with Letby.
JMO

 

[Dotta]

Criminal have released their latest podcast and it covers Charles Cullen, will take a listen later whilst gardening IN THE RAIN !
Lots of similarities with Letby.
JMO

Rain...Again???

 

[Parker Knoll]

Always and forever as the old song goes sadly.

 

[Dotta]

Always and forever as the old song goes sadly.

Singing and dancing ìn the rain
But it is another song haha

 

[Dotta]

Yes, in the case of Charles Cullen, the nurse he worked alongside spotted the c-peptide variation, understood that it was 'off' but also didn't appreciate the significance of this and more patients died than they would have, had the nurse known the significance of this.

AFAI can remember this Cullen guy had serious mental problems and was discharged from the Army.

How could he get employment in hospital working with patients is beyond me!

JMO

Edited to add from Wikipedia

"Cullen, upset with the judge, kept repeating, "Your Honor, you need to step down" for thirty minutes until Platt had Cullen gagged with cloth and duct tape.

Even after being gagged, Cullen continued to try to repeat the phrase.

In that hearing, Platt gave him an additional six life sentences."

Charles Cullen - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[esther43]

AFAI can remember this Cullen guy had serious mental problems and was discharged from the Army.

How could he get employment in hospital working with patients is beyond me!

JMO

I know! He moved around hospitals quite a lot too. Apparently he was suspected of harming patients but the hospitals didn't want the publicity, so sacked him for unrelated reasons and this meant he was able to continue offending.
I thought the evolution of the Cullen and the police investigation was similar to Letby.
A reluctant CEO who did not want to engage the police in an investigation etc.

 

[esther43]

AFAI can remember this Cullen guy had serious mental problems and was discharged from the Army.

How could he get employment in hospital working with patients is beyond me!

JMO

Edited to add from Wikipedia

"Cullen, upset with the judge, kept repeating, "Your Honor, you need to step down" for thirty minutes until Platt had Cullen gagged with cloth and duct tape.

Even after being gagged, Cullen continued to try to repeat the phrase.[14] In that hearing, Platt gave him an additional six life sentences."

Charles Cullen - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Wow! That's crazy. The cloth and Duct tape particularly.
Up until that point, he must have been a great masker as his close colleague thought he was a really good, really caring nurse.

 

[Dotta]

Wow! That's crazy. The cloth and Duct tape particularly.
Up until that point, he must have been a great masker as his close colleague thought he was a really good, really caring nurse.

Words simply fail me

Thank goodness Im "as healthy as a horse" or a"fish" as we say here!!!

I only step into hospitals as a visitor.
But those which I visited did great in caring for my loved ones
Nurses and doctors very professional and with great empathy
No complaints!!

 

[Dotta]

Red flag behaviours:

• Statistically, there is a higher death rate when the susected person is on shift.
• The patient deaths were unexpected.
• The death symptoms were not expected.
• The suspect has moved around from one facility to another.
• The suspect is associated with missing medications.
• Patients have complained about the person’s treatment of them.
• The suspect is seen with patients who soon died, including patients not in their care.
• The suspect is secretive or has a difficult time with personal relationships.
• The suspect has a history of mental instability or periodic depression.

How Can a Healthcare Serial Killer Be Spotted and Stopped?

"The Good Nurse," about healthcare serial killer Charles Cullen, shows systemic healthcare failures but falls short on his predatory motives.

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[Marantz4250b]

So - I'm outta WebSleuths jail!

Note to jury: that was a close one, you can release a verdict now