UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #34

[Dotta]

I wonder if LL is starting appealing process.
Time is flying - I guess she has 30 days???

 

[esther43]

She might be desperate for a few days out of the prison, that’s the only reason I can see her going back there.

Or unless she feeds off the attention.
In the words of NJ 'you're enjoying this aren't you?'

 

[Dotta]

Or unless she feeds off the attention.
In the words of NJ 'you're enjoying this aren't you?'

Hmmm
She didn't seem to enjoy the trial IMO.
Judging by Court sketches.

She, as others, enjoys positive attention.

I guess Mr NJ KC referred to her enjoying "lying games".

JMO

 

[Marantz4250b]

I wonder if LL is starting appealing process.
Time is flying - I guess she has 30 days???

Depends what she's appealing against?

There is no right to an automatic appeal against conviction. You must state your grounds for appeal and a court must grant leave if they think you may have an arguable case.

You can't just decide you didn't like the result and decide you want a new trial.

If she's appealing against sentence I think it's easier - especially against a Whole Life Order - so she might do that. She'd still need to put up some reasonable argument as to why the sentence was unjustified l, though. Her defence didn't put forward any mitigation prior to the sentencing so it's hard to imagine what her reasons for having the WLO reduced might be.

 

[Dotta]

Thanks.
I remember even this vile murderer Wayne C. appealed, so I thought it is kind of automatic.
Of course this disgraced former police officer lost .

 

[Marantz4250b]

Thanks.
I remember even this vile murderer Wayne C. appealed, so I thought it is kind of automatic.
Of course this disgraced former police officer lost .

He only appealed the sentence, though.

If you want to appeal the conviction you need to present sufficient grounds for an appeal. That would normally be in terms of new evidence. There are very, very few other reasons to appeal a conviction.

 

[marynnu]

I

Ah Thank you for clarifying

I think that's incorrect. It was 1983 I believe. Ian Brady & Myra Hindley had whole life orders.

British prisoners still serving whole life sentences

There are currently just 11 inmates serving entire life sentences: Who are they? | Image: Shutterstock

www.crimeandinvestigation.co.uk

 

[CS2C]

Hmmm
She didn't seem to enjoy the trial IMO.
Judging by Court sketches.

She, as others, enjoys positive attention.

I guess Mr NJ KC referred to her enjoying "lying games".

JMO

Yeah you can forget the court sketches, the majority of them look like a cross between Picasso and a 6 year old. None of them really resembled her.

 

[Dotta]

Yeah you can forget the court sketches, the majority of them look like a cross between Picasso and a 6 year old. None of them really resembled her.

What about this ??

Who is this lawyer, by the way?


Or this?

'Baby killer' nurse mouths 'I love you' as she's denied bail and taken to cells

Nurse, Lucy Letby, who is accused of murdering eight babies in one year, looked up at her parents and mouthed "I love you" today as she was led into the cells

www.mirror.co.uk

Lucy Letby: police found note saying ‘I killed them on purpose’, court hears | Lucy Letby | The Guardian

Nurse accused of murdering seven babies on neonatal ward also wrote ‘I am a horrible evil person’, jury told

amp.theguardian.com

 

[CS2C]

What about this ??

Who is this lawyer, by the way?

View attachment 445690
Or this?

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'Baby killer' nurse mouths 'I love you' as she's denied bail and taken to cells

Nurse, Lucy Letby, who is accused of murdering eight babies in one year, looked up at her parents and mouthed "I love you" today as she was led into the cells

www.mirror.co.uk

Lucy Letby: police found note saying ‘I killed them on purpose’, court hears | Lucy Letby | The Guardian

Nurse accused of murdering seven babies on neonatal ward also wrote ‘I am a horrible evil person’, jury told

amp.theguardian.com

<modsnip> I didn’t realise ET was on trial….

No absolutely ZERO resemblance

 

[CS2C]

What about this ??

Who is this lawyer, by the way?

View attachment 445690
Or this?

View attachment 445692

'Baby killer' nurse mouths 'I love you' as she's denied bail and taken to cells

Nurse, Lucy Letby, who is accused of murdering eight babies in one year, looked up at her parents and mouthed "I love you" today as she was led into the cells

www.mirror.co.uk

Lucy Letby: police found note saying ‘I killed them on purpose’, court hears | Lucy Letby | The Guardian

Nurse accused of murdering seven babies on neonatal ward also wrote ‘I am a horrible evil person’, jury told

amp.theguardian.com

That was the guy who sat in for her police interviews, Richard something ? From memory, I could be wrong.

 

[marynnu]

<modsnip> I didn’t realise ET was on trial….

No absolutely ZERO resemblance

Is there any more pointless job than a court artist I wonder? Apart from hedge fund managers, obviously.

 

[CS2C]

Is there any more pointless job than a court artist I wonder? Apart from hedge fund managers, obviously.

I guess it would help if they didn’t have a Labrador and white stick.

 

[Marantz4250b]

I
I think that's incorrect. It was 1983 I believe. Ian Brady & Myra Hindley had whole life orders.

British prisoners still serving whole life sentences

There are currently just 11 inmates serving entire life sentences: Who are they? | Image: Shutterstock

www.crimeandinvestigation.co.uk

There was no facility for a court to hand down a WLO when they were convicted in the 1960s. The judge will have given a recommendation as to the time they should serve and the Home Secretary would have set the tarrif.

Without checking I think the judge made reccomendation of 25 years or something and the Home Sec of the day applied it but it was then increased to whole life by a subsequent person in the position - or similar, I forget the exact circumstances.

I know that Hindley was trying to get parole right up to when she died. I think that the whole life sentence was subsequently confirmed by a court later.

A convicting court was not able to fix the minimum term until, I think, the Criminal Justice Act 2003 set down the statutory sentencing procedure. That was enacted because several murderers challenged the legality of a politician dictating things which should be independently done by the judicial system - rightly so, in my opinion.

Edit; that article is not correct, as far as I'm aware. The Home Secretary has no power to impose criminal sentences. His/her role has been reduced to granting release on compassionate grounds in exceptional circumstances such as when a life prisoner is days away from death and is incapable of causing any danger to the public.

 

[Marantz4250b]

That was the guy who sat in for her police interviews, Richard something ? From memory, I could be wrong.

Her solicitor. Can't recall his name. That sketch would have been in the Magistrates court.

 

[squish]

She will also have that heady accolade of being the first person in that messed up family to spend the rest of her days looking at the same four walls.
Quite an achievement I would say.

Not quite right, Grandpa was a serial burglar:

 

[Parker Knoll]

Richard Thomas

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NOT her conveyancing solicitor before anyone asks !

 

[Dotta]

Richard Thomas

Meet the team in Russell & Russell Solicitors. Get free initial advice from our specialist lawyers for a wide range of legal sectors.

russellrussell.co.uk

NOT her conveyancing solicitor before anyone asks !

Hmmm...

Looking at his pic and the sketch upthread I recognized only.....

the beard!

PS
What does it exactly mean this "conveyancing solicitor" you mentioned?

 

[Anxala]

Is there any more pointless job than a court artist I wonder?

The LL ones were pretty rubbish on the whole but courtroom art itself is absolutely fascinating imo and I'm so glad it still exists as a respected and skilled art form. When it's done well, it tells a story that no photograph could even begin to match in terms of drama and atmosphere. There are some fabulous examples here -

Explore | Drawing Justice: The Art of Courtroom Illustration | Exhibitions at the Library of Congress | Library of Congress

This exhibition showcases the Library’s extensive collections of original art by talented artists hired by both newspapers and television to capture the personal dynamics of legal trials. Skilled at quickly conveying both individual likenesses and the atmosphere of the courtroom, these artists...

www.loc.gov

A brief history of courtroom art | Apollo Magazine

Like many of the most notorious trials of modern times, Ghislaine Maxwell’s trial has been summed up by a skilful courtroom sketch artist

www.apollo-magazine.com

 

[iamshadow21]

There was no facility for a court to hand down a WLO when they were convicted in the 1960s. The judge will have given a recommendation as to the time they should serve and the Home Secretary would have set the tarrif.

Without checking I think the judge made reccomendation of 25 years or something and the Home Sec of the day applied it but it was then increased to whole life by a subsequent person in the position - or similar, I forget the exact circumstances.

I know that Hindley was trying to get parole right up to when she died. I think that the whole life sentence was subsequently confirmed by a court later.

A convicting court was not able to fix the minimum term until, I think, the Criminal Justice Act 2003 set down the statutory sentencing procedure. That was enacted because several murderers challenged the legality of a politician dictating things which should be independently done by the judicial system - rightly so, in my opinion.

Edit; that article is not correct, as far as I'm aware. The Home Secretary has no power to impose criminal sentences. His/her role has been reduced to granting release on compassionate grounds in exceptional circumstances such as when a life prisoner is days away from death and is incapable of causing any danger to the public.

I think Rose West is also under a whole life order. It's on her Wikipedia, anyway. So, there are four. Hindley(dec), West, Dennehy, and now Letby.

MOO