GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #16

[Gigi-G]

Arrrgghhh been trying to follow posts. But the whole half left side of my face is swollen like a balloon. Including my eye.. I suffer with Sinuses. So I think it's hitting me with a vengeance. Not had a bad bout of this in over a year. Quite concerning when I can look down n see my swelling. N my bottom eyelashes tickling my swollen eye. Woke up to hubby playing Candy Crush saga.... :/
(He can't sleep lol) the fact that he spoils our pup Bruce. By letting him up on the bed (he's dad's dog!) And I keep kicking him off. (The dog not hubby... heaven forbid I have been tempted &#128519
Hubby moans Bruce is a chubby slug. N that Bruce ' s fur tickles... no sympathy from me... I've plenty of room Haha!

Anyways enough of me rambling.
Had time to calm down now. NM'S sentence. I'm okay with. And SH'S I read somewhere that she WILL have to serve the 17 years . I'll try to find the link. Just bare with me. I'm a one eyed stressed person today ♡ #justiceforBecky

Right. Found it on UK & EIRE site. Stating that SH has a 'Determinate' Sentence. Which basically means she will do her Prison Sentence that The Judge handed down. And no Governing body or Probation service can defer the Sentence for an early release.

Which deems more fitting. Than to possibly qualify for early release thru good behaviour.

Take care of yourselves today. Me? I think my day will consist of a trip to the A&E room
I do have a supply of Antibiotics here. (Emergency pack should I pick up an infection 'cold flu etc' ) so I will probably confirm it's a broad range antib. . Save me queuing where there are ill people lol..
Do something nice today. It's been hard going these last 5 weeks.

#justiceforBecky♡ #BeckyWattsBristolsAngel♡
#Namastè♡

 

[Gigi-G]

WILL MISS YOU GUYS! Anyone wishes to add me as a friend, plz, be my guest.

:grouphug:

 

[Gigi-G]

is it true that she may be out in 8 1/2 years? :stormingmad:


I have now the 49 pages of this thread to read plus the last 2 pages from the previous thread. you have been busy here while I was having a tantrum :gaah:

Apparently SH was handed a Determinate Sentence. Which means she has to serve her Sentence. As it's non negotiable even by The Parole Service.

 

[Gigi-G]

From what I remember of Retribution's posts about SH and NM, I have to say that everything she said about them appears to have been truthful (not gossip), and has been backed up either in court evidence or by others in FB posts and in the media. I think, had she felt able to stay around, we would have had more info to base our ideas and opinions on, and probably wouldn't have been so worried about SH getting away with this crime. I think she knew all of the information that wasn't allowed to be reported from the court.

I just wish she was still around, as she could now tell us the things she had to keep quiet whilst the trial was going ahead.

Same here. Retribution could maybe be able to answer some of the missing facts or shed light on something we couldn't clarify.
Come back RETRIBUTION. ....PLZ!! 💐

 

[Gigi-G]

Oh, it was dreadful, and the ignorance that accompanied it was frightening too. I had to give up visiting the page, I couldn't stand it.

Unfortunately that's what happens when it's such an Emotive subject. But there are polite ways to express your anger without shouting out "cut his b***s off" I notice tho. A lot more was directed to NM than SH. Maybe if she had b***s she'd of been told to 'cut them off' too.....

 

[Gigi-G]

Hmmm poster on Bristol Post Fb page with same surname

Don't know if this photo has been shown here...can see SH's bump.


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I said the exact same thing yesterday on this mug shot of SH.
Well there are rumours flying around about this. And still no definitive answer. Soooooo
A) SH had been offered a termination. (Which can be done in UK up to 20 weeks)
But SH would of had to deliver naturally.
Followed by a Christian or other Religious Burial.

B) if SH was 18weeks when she was arrested. She would of given birth by now. And chances are they would of been taken into care.

C) SH miscarried. Maybe the day she was taken into hospital after her arrest. She wasn't in there too long so...just an assumption.

Maybe that's another added reason why she's so void of emotions.

 

[cottonweaver]

Apparently SH was handed a Determinate Sentence. Which means she has to serve her Sentence. As it's non negotiable even by The Parole Service.

It explains the sentence here Gigi, I checked it yesterday:

https://www.gov.uk/types-of-prison-sentence/determinate-prison-sentences-fixed-length-of-time

" Determinate prison sentences - fixed length of time:
A ‘determinate’ prison sentence is for a fixed length of time.

For prison sentences of 12 months or more the person spends the first half of the sentence in prison and the second half in the community ‘on licence’.

If they break any licence conditions - eg they commit another crime - they could go back to prison."

 

[Clio]

Apparently SH was handed a Determinate Sentence. Which means she has to serve her Sentence. As it's non negotiable even by The Parole Service.

A determinate prison sentence is where the court sets a fixed length for the prison sentence and is the most common type of prison sentence.... This is the maximum period of time the offender could spend in prison. However, the offender will not necessarily spend the whole of this time in prison.
...
Offenders sentenced to two years or more will serve half their sentence in prison and serve the rest of the sentence in the community on licence. While on licence an offender will be subject to supervision and the licence will include conditions. If an offender breaches their conditions, they may be recalled to prison.

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.u...pes-of-sentence/determinate-prison-sentences/

A ‘determinate’ prison sentence is for a fixed length of time.

For prison sentences of 12 months or more the person spends the first half of the sentence in prison and the second half in the community ‘on licence’.

https://www.gov.uk/types-of-prison-sentence/determinate-prison-sentences-fixed-length-of-time

 

[sar2them1984]

Hmmm poster on Bristol Post Fb page with same surname

You've quoted me but I was referring to JP

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[Tortoise]

Get well soon Gigi :getwell:

 

[Tortoise]

I don't agree with mitigation factors at all. For any serious crimes' criminals, wherever the place or country!

The only thing in my opinion was to check if the charged for the crimes had any kind of mental impairment or handicap. That was ok.

But for common persons with no mental problems, adult persons that know right from wrong, I can't agree with mitigating factors! Why would they have them if they know right from wrong, whatever was their social situation or their childhood?!

For example the judge is saying that sh had as mitigation factor the fact that she was just punished being deprieved of her daughter. But it could be both ways!

The judge could say 'because sh is already a mother and was even pregnant at the time of the crime she should have more compassion, she should be more kind hearted, she should have more simpathy for Becky. She too was a woman and also a mother herself!'

And, she is deprieved of her daughter by her own fault! She is the only one to blame for that! She didn't think of her daughter when she was comiting the crimes! Neither before or during or after!

:goodpost::bee:

 

[Cherwell]

Haha no worries, realised my post sounded harsh. Apologies I was trying to get caught up on here and keep track of the Paris Situation ;-(

Not at all, I was just wondering what I missed. No apology needed!

btw You've fallen victim to the "broken quote" as well! Somewhere in Gigi's post a [ or a ] or a / got accidentally deleted from the post she quoted, and messed up the quotes. Trouble is, when you quoted her post, the broken quote was included. If you go back and edit your post 789, look carefully at the content and replace the bit that's missing, it should then read as intended.

ETA I just looked, and it seems that the whole 'close quote' part is missing from where she quoted you. This bit [ /QUOTE]
Put that back in (without the space) and it should fix it.

 

[sar2them1984]

Not at all, I was just wondering what I missed. No apology needed!

btw You've fallen victim to the "broken quote" as well! Somewhere in Gigi's post a [ or a ] or a / got accidentally deleted from the post she quoted, and messed up the quotes. Trouble is, when you quoted her post, the broken quote was included. If you go back and edit your post 789, look carefully at the content and replace the bit that's missing, it should then read as intended.

ETA I just looked, and it seems that the whole 'close quote' part is missing from where she quoted you. This bit [ /QUOTE]
Put that back in (without the space) and it should fix it.

Thanks, Tapatalk is doing all manner of wierd things today

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[Tortoise]

I just want to post my final thoughts on the crime and the sentences.

I haven't changed my thinking that the correct verdict for SH should have been murder, based on my view, also touched on by the judge, that kidnappers don't tend to let their victims go afterwards, especially when the victim knows the identity of the attackers. I think a sentence of around 30 years would have been appropriate for both, to take into account all the aggravating features.

I don't agree that the judge should have allowed in SH's past as a mitigating factor, or the fact that she lost contact with her daughter. She took that risk when she committed this vile crime. If Retri is correct, she had no time for her daughter anyway.

I feel bad that I posted yesterday that NM should be locked up for his whole life, because he can't be cured. At the time I was thinking in line with the prosecution case, that this was a planned gratuitous killing with a sexual motive.

I think he is on the psychopathic spectrum but his shame (seen in the fact that he had to invent and stick with a false motive for his actions) and self-pity are evidence that there is more going on inside, he isn't dead inside.

His living conditions show his absolute inability to deal with his emotions and absence of any control over what he is suffering inside. And it is a mirror of his inner existence - a situation that is building and building and he can't control it - it is coming to a head and perhaps it is only just becoming apparent to his grandma but no-one knows why, he just comes across as jealous of Becky but it is more than that - he is so angry at his mum and hurt by her, but he can't show it. He is ashamed of wanting and needing more of her love than she gave him.

I believe that this wasn't a sexually motivated crime, and I think now that he is stuck at the age of the child he was when he became so damaged. It isn't an excuse for him, but I think if he can get over his shame and reveal this to psychiatrists, he can work through it and with their help, heal his wounded child.

I do pray this happens for him. I do not think any adult deserves to live with such severe emotional wounds from childhood. And I pray that the family get the reasons they so badly need so they can at least have an understanding even if they can never forgive.

I think along similar lines for SH but I fear that she has bigger problems to overcome, because I see very little emotional response in her at all. I think she went into this being dead inside to what she was doing. Totally shut down. Hence her lack of mothering skills.

They both need a lot of help, and a big stretch inside to pay for their crime. I fear with SH's lesser conviction and sentence she will not ever be held fully accountable for her true role in this crime, which will work against her, and she will never deal with the driving motivators behind her role in Becky's death.

Anyway, that's it from me folks, on this case at least.

It's been a learning experience for me.

RIP Becky Watts and I send love and healing to your family and friends.

 

[sar2them1984]

Has a full transcript of the sentencing remarks been published yet - I can only find edited versions

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[mrazda71]

Has a full transcript of the sentencing remarks been published yet - I can only find edited versions

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I was wondering the same.

 

[Beesknees]

I just want to post my final thoughts on the crime and the sentences.

I haven't changed my thinking that the correct verdict for SH should have been murder, based on my view, also touched on by the judge, that kidnappers don't tend to let their victims go afterwards, especially when the victim knows the identity of the attackers. I think a sentence of around 30 years would have been appropriate for both, to take into account all the aggravating features.

I don't agree that the judge should have allowed in SH's past as a mitigating factor, or the fact that she lost contact with her daughter. She took that risk when she committed this vile crime. If Retri is correct, she had no time for her daughter anyway.

I feel bad that I posted yesterday that NM should be locked up for his whole life, because he can't be cured. At the time I was thinking in line with the prosecution case, that this was a planned gratuitous killing with a sexual motive.

I think he is on the psychopathic spectrum but his shame (seen in the fact that he had to invent and stick with a false motive for his actions) and self-pity are evidence that there is more going on inside, he isn't dead inside.

His living conditions show his absolute inability to deal with his emotions and absence of any control over what he is suffering inside. And it is a mirror of his inner existence - a situation that is building and building and he can't control it - it is coming to a head and perhaps it is only just becoming apparent to his grandma but no-one knows why, he just comes across as jealous of Becky but it is more than that - he is so angry at his mum and hurt by her, but he can't show it. He is ashamed of wanting and needing more of her love than she gave him.

I believe that this wasn't a sexually motivated crime, and I think now that he is stuck at the age of the child he was when he became so damaged. It isn't an excuse for him, but I think if he can get over his shame and reveal this to psychiatrists, he can work through it and with their help, heal his wounded child.

I do pray this happens for him. I do not think any adult deserves to live with such severe emotional wounds from childhood. And I pray that the family get the reasons they so badly need so they can at least have an understanding even if they can never forgive.

I think along similar lines for SH but I fear that she has bigger problems to overcome, because I see very little emotional response in her at all. I think she went into this being dead inside to what she was doing. Totally shut down. Hence her lack of mothering skills.

They both need a lot of help, and a big stretch inside to pay for their crime. I fear with SH's lesser conviction and sentence she will not ever be held fully accountable for her true role in this crime, which will work against her, and she will never deal with the driving motivators behind her role in Becky's death.

Anyway, that's it from me folks, on this case at least.

It's been a learning experience for me.

RIP Becky Watts and I send love and healing to your family and friends.

Thank you for this post, Tortoise.

I had to quote it all as it deserves to be quoted. You were always brilliant exposing your ideas and you are the same til the end.


I wish I could write in English as you can, to expose my ideas better as they are very similar to yours. The only difference is that I can't contain my frustration and you can. You word it with class and objectivity.

I wish you well, Sleuthortoise

 

[edgedweller]

I know. How did he disguise his height?? Of course Becky would have known who it was. That her family had to listen to the details of him putting sellotape over her eyes and mouth while she must have been desperately struggling to fight him off is horrific beyond words.

I simply don't believe the sellotape was anywhere near her until she was unconscious or deceased. It's notoriously difficult to use with two hands, let alone while fighting someone off... And why Sellotape, fgs, it's just a weird choice IMO. A gag and/or hood/bag would've been better (if indeed there was a kidnap plan which I'm still skeptical about).

 

[Beesknees]

I simply don't believe the sellotape was anywhere near her until she was unconscious or deceased. It's notoriously difficult to use with two hands, let alone while fighting someone off... And why Sellotape, fgs, it's just a weird choice IMO. A gag and/or hood/bag would've been better (if indeed there was a kidnap plan which I'm still skeptical about).

For me it's all a construction of his sick mind...

 

[edgedweller]

Did I miss SH explain why she bought two stun guns?

As usual, she denied all knowledge of them.