GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #8

[pappa rob]

Ah that could fitwith what I just posted... that they don't keep the dogs in till they start reacting to whatever was in the shed and I guess they might not to do that immediately as the scent would build up the longer it was kept there . And even then they might think it's drugs the dogs can smell rather than a body, especially if there was no obvious smell to them.

Only dogs that are trained to find drugs would be interested in the bags of drugs. There's no way the bags had no smell, plastic doesn't block the odor. Now if I had packages worth a lot of money the last place I'd leave them would be outside in a shed, I think they knew to keep them out of the house because the smell would drive them out of the house. I had a freezer that was put on a bad circuit I had meat in professional sealed packages and it stunk so bad I couldn't stand it. The freezer had only been off for a week so it doesn't take long.

 

[edgedweller]

Backpedalling now lol! Mods - please mark this member's profile as "one to watch".

Teehee - just mortified that I admitted having something in common with NM (obviously).


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[mrazda71]

I can lock/unlock my bathroom door from the outside.

If he told her the loo was blocked again and he'd put chemicals down it that would dangerous to inhale then I can believe she wouldn't go in there.

If they went shopping and he put cleaning stuff in trolley and she may of said 'what you buying that lot for?' He may reply 'I know you hate all my hoarding so I'm gonna try and have a sort out and clear out some crap' ...

Ask all the women who's husbands have lead double lives and had a second mrs, home and kids how they didn't know. Ask husbands how could they not have known that their partner was faking a pregnancy. Ask people, how could you not know that your other half was cheating on you? Taking drugs? Gambling away your life saving? Abusing your child? ... because - no one wants to believe that someone they love is capable of such things.

Unlike some people, I'm trying to believe 'innocent until proven guilty' ... i've not yet had undeniable proof that Shauna is guilty.

I'm not even totally convinced that Nathan's story isn't true yet. In part because I think he's a bit not right in the head, not very bright and his age group are the kind of people who watch things like Dexter, Taken and YouTubers who pull off 'pranks' and 'experiments' like luring kids from parks and their homes to show parents that their kids don't give a crap about stranger danger ...

 

[ChuckieD]

Only dogs that are trained to find drugs would be interested in the bags of drugs. There's no way the bags had no smell, plastic doesn't block the odor. Now if I had packages worth a lot of money the last place I'd leave them would be outside in a shed, I think they knew to keep them out of the house because the smell would drive them out of the house. I had a freezer that was put on a bad circuit I had meat in professional sealed packages and it stunk so bad I couldn't stand it. The freezer had only been off for a week so it doesn't take long.

A strong smell would attract them. Might not be strong to us but would be to a dog so they'd investigate.

The pathologist said the way RW's body parts had been wrapped up it had preserved the body.

 

[Cherwell]

Only dogs that are trained to find drugs would be interested in the bags of drugs. There's no way the bags had no smell, plastic doesn't block the odor. Now if I had packages worth a lot of money the last place I'd leave them would be outside in a shed, I think they knew to keep them out of the house because the smell would drive them out of the house. I had a freezer that was put on a bad circuit I had meat in professional sealed packages and it stunk so bad I couldn't stand it. The freezer had only been off for a week so it doesn't take long.

BIB Yes, we know that, but did they?

As for the smell, the parts were packed with salt and other substances intended to preserve them or slow decomposition.
And if I had agreed to store drugs or stolen items, I wouldn't want them in my house. I would regard them as the owner's responsibility, and a shed or outbuilding would have to be good enough.

 

[ChuckieD]

I can lock/unlock my bathroom door from the outside.

If he told her the loo was blocked again and he'd put chemicals down it that would dangerous to inhale then I can believe she wouldn't go in there.

If they went shopping and he put cleaning stuff in trolley and she may of said 'what you buying that lot for?' He may reply 'I know you hate all my hoarding so I'm gonna try and have a sort out and clear out some crap' ...

Ask all the women who's husbands have lead double lives and had a second mrs, home and kids how they didn't know. Ask husbands how could they not have known that their partner was faking a pregnancy. Ask people, how could you not know that your other half was cheating on you? Taking drugs? Gambling away your life saving? Abusing your child? ... because - no one wants to believe that someone they love is capable of such things.

Unlike some people, I'm trying to believe 'innocent until proven guilty' ... i've not yet had undeniable proof that Shauna is guilty.

I'm not even totally convinced that Nathan's story isn't true yet. In part because I think he's a bit not right in the head, not very bright and his age group are the kind of people who watch things like Dexter, Taken and YouTubers who pull off 'pranks' and 'experiments' like luring kids from parks and their homes to show parents that their kids don't give a crap about stranger danger ...

I think we're pretty much on the same page.
I believe she is guilty of something. I'm on the fence about what as yet. There is more to come.

 

[LBB]

I can lock/unlock my bathroom door from the outside.

If he told her the loo was blocked again and he'd put chemicals down it that would dangerous to inhale then I can believe she wouldn't go in there.

If they went shopping and he put cleaning stuff in trolley and she may of said 'what you buying that lot for?' He may reply 'I know you hate all my hoarding so I'm gonna try and have a sort out and clear out some crap' ...

Ask all the women who's husbands have lead double lives and had a second mrs, home and kids how they didn't know. Ask husbands how could they not have known that their partner was faking a pregnancy. Ask people, how could you not know that your other half was cheating on you? Taking drugs? Gambling away your life saving? Abusing your child? ... because - no one wants to believe that someone they love is capable of such things.

Unlike some people, I'm trying to believe 'innocent until proven guilty' ... i've not yet had undeniable proof that Shauna is guilty.

I'm not even totally convinced that Nathan's story isn't true yet. In part because I think he's a bit not right in the head, not very bright and his age group are the kind of people who watch things like Dexter, Taken and YouTubers who pull off 'pranks' and 'experiments' like luring kids from parks and their homes to show parents that their kids don't give a crap about stranger danger ...

I'm with you.

 

[mrazda71]

LBB ... I can feel your presence

 

[Kaly99]

I can lock/unlock my bathroom door from the outside

On the page of photos linked to by another poster earlier, photo 13 seems to show what I think is the bathroom door with a key in it? It's the door on the right, which I think is the door to the room behind the photographer. If it's not the bathroom door then perhaps that door had the same method of locking.

ETA: Here's another photo showing the same door - it does seem to be the bathroom door pushed right back on its hinges.

 

[YidArmyRach]

I'm still puzzled by him confessing to strangling Becky, when she was smothered. They are such different methods of killing, I can't believe he could mistake one for the other.

Just wondering how the pathologist could be so sure that smothering was the actual cause of death, what with a pm having to be done on body parts. Is it possible she had injuries from him trying to smother her before strangling her and that is what they have used to come up with the cause of death?

Otherwise, why would NM admit to a murder, but then lie about how he did it? Its not like strangling is somehow nicer than smothering?

Another thing that puzzles me is the fact that they left vital evidence in their house, which was easy to find - such as the saw box and the car interior cover hidden in the oven (in the bathroom, as you do)..... and then left all the evidence connected to dismembering Becky with the body parts which, again, weren't hidden that well. Yet the bag he apparently put her in when he had killed her is nowhere to be found - even though all the clothes she was wearing when inside the bag were dumped with her body. Did that bag ever exist?

And where are all the things used to screen the floors and walls in the bathroom? Everything else was dumped together, but not those. If they ever existed. I still find it hard to believe there was no trace of Becky in that bathroom, if that is where she was dismembered.

As for where SH pee'd during the days the bathroom was off limits, I wouldn't put it past either of them to use the kitchen sink ..... except that was full of junk too!

 

[Tortoise]

Do you think it's possible that she was terrified into helping the clean up and by the time she was safe to come clean (after arrest) did she think it was too late and she was in it up to her neck and too thick to realise otherwise? Have we heard her post NM murder arrest interview?

Just thinking out loud

It is possible but very unlikely IMO.

I think NM and SH murdered Becky together.

I don't think there was much in the way of pre-planning involved, but when it happened she didn't back off or tell NM to stop what he was doing. I really don't know how they thought it would end though if I'm honest. You can't disguise yourself with a silly mask, Becky would have recognised NM immediately from his body shape and stature, clothes, manner of moving and of course his voice, if he spoke that is.

We haven't had the truth from NM which of course implies that SH was involved. He hasn't admitted to the act of suffocating Becky (did SH do it?) - I don't buy the argument that he didn't know the difference between that and strangulation - he was suffering with a painful disability and I think it would have taken two to restrain Becky, she had one arm free and two legs to fight him with. She can't have been 'stunned' with the amount of injuries showing the brutality with which she was restrained. He also hasn't admitted that SH was involved in the aftermath. To my mind she clearly was. We've heard how difficult it would be for one person to use that heavy power saw efficiently. So if NM isn't telling the truth still, and he has good reason to take all the blame for them both, then I think SH was complicit in the whole crime.

My opinions only, as always.

 

[LBB]

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Haha...(I was trying to insert a friendly emoticon here but my phone won't let me!)

 

[mrazda71]

I'm very keen to see/hear Shauna's reaction to Nathan's Confession.
That I think, will be very telling ... and also, what happened to the pregnancy.

 

[ChuckieD]

I'm still puzzled by him confessing to strangling Becky, when she was smothered. They are such different methods of killing, I can't believe he could mistake one for the other.

Just wondering how the pathologist could be so sure that smothering was the actual cause of death, what with a pm having to be done on body parts. Is it possible she had injuries from him trying to smother her before strangling her and that is what they have used to come up with the cause of death?

Otherwise, why would NM admit to a murder, but then lie about how he did it? Its not like strangling is somehow nicer than smothering?

Does anybody know how they can tell whether it was strangulation or smothering? We have to bear in mind (graphic sorry) that Becky's head was removed. Would that prevent strangulation as a COD being apparent? It's still preventing somebody from breathing so bar bruising, eyes, and broken neck parts (the word won't come to me) which would likely happen in the dismemberment is there anything definite to tell the two apart?

 

[ChuckieD]

I'm very keen to see/hear Shauna's reaction to Nathan's Confession.
That I think, will be very telling ... and also, what happened to the pregnancy.

I don't think what happened with the pregnancy is anybodys business, to be fair.

 

[Tortoise]

Does anybody know how they can tell whether it was strangulation or smothering? We have to bear in mind (graphic sorry) that Becky's head was removed. Would that prevent strangulation as a COD being apparent? It's still preventing somebody from breathing so bar bruising, eyes, and broken neck parts (the word won't come to me) which would likely happen in the dismemberment is there anything definite to tell the two apart?

I think they said no blood spots behind the eyes and evidence of bruising around nostrils and mouth which they were satisfied was pressure marks made by a hand.

 

[Clio]

He claims he left SH at Crown Hill on Saturday whilst he went back to CML to "try and dispose of the body". Presumably this is easily verified or disproved by a statement from DG and/or AG. AFAIK they have both been in court at various points throughout the trial and cannot therefore be called as witnesses. Could a written statement from either of them still be presented does anyone know?

 

[Tortoise]

He claims he left SH at Crown Hill on Saturday whilst he went back to CML to "try and dispose of the body". Presumably this is easily verified or disproved by a statement from DG and/or AG. AFAIK they have both been in court at various points throughout the trial and cannot therefore be called as witnesses. Could a written statement from either of them still be presented does anyone know?

yes, the trial I was involved in it happened like that.

just to clarify it was statements already made to the police before the trial had started.

 

[skibaboo]

I can lock/unlock my bathroom door from the outside.

If he told her the loo was blocked again and he'd put chemicals down it that would dangerous to inhale then I can believe she wouldn't go in there.

If they went shopping and he put cleaning stuff in trolley and she may of said 'what you buying that lot for?' He may reply 'I know you hate all my hoarding so I'm gonna try and have a sort out and clear out some crap' ...

Ask all the women who's husbands have lead double lives and had a second mrs, home and kids how they didn't know. Ask husbands how could they not have known that their partner was faking a pregnancy. Ask people, how could you not know that your other half was cheating on you? Taking drugs? Gambling away your life saving? Abusing your child? ... because - no one wants to believe that someone they love is capable of such things.

Unlike some people, I'm trying to believe 'innocent until proven guilty' ... i've not yet had undeniable proof that Shauna is guilty.

I'm not even totally convinced that Nathan's story isn't true yet. In part because I think he's a bit not right in the head, not very bright and his age group are the kind of people who watch things like Dexter, Taken and YouTubers who pull off 'pranks' and 'experiments' like luring kids from parks and their homes to show parents that their kids don't give a crap about stranger danger ...

Hey I'm a HUGE Dexter fan Major crush! I have all the DVD's, a big poster of Dex on my spare room wall and named one of my cats Dexter too!

I am however well out of that age group, have never cut up anyone into pieces after killing them, and dumped them wrapped in plastic. I don't intend to. Promise

I can unlock/lock my bathroom door from the outside too

 

[Clio]

<rsbm>
Otherwise, why would NM admit to a murder, but then lie about how he did it? Its not like strangling is somehow nicer than smothering?
<rsbm>

Possibly because it is a faster method? i.e could have been done in the time SH was in the garden. Or because it takes less force? i.e. more likely to be accidental.