Found Deceased UK - Richard Okorogheye, 19, Oxford Student, Ladbroke Grove, West London, 24 Mar 2021

[infinit]

Suicides in ethnic minorities within 12 months of contact with mental health services | The British Journal of Psychiatry | Cambridge Core

This is quite an old study, but I was interested if ethnicity had a significant influence on choice of suicide method. I think it's interesting to note that for those of Black African descent 17.14% of suicides were via drowning, for those of White descent it was 5.9%. It's not statistically significant because there were only 35 Black African suicides covered in the study, and these were all people with prior contact with Mental Health services which nothing suggests Richard was. I can't find any more up to date research in this area. But I thought it might be worth raising as a point that might make a potential drowning suicide more feasible.

 

[Beans]

Just a small thing but with regards to theories about the mobile phone usage earlier in the discussions... the timings of calls going to voicemail and footage of him using a phone beyond that time aren’t necessarily indicative of more than one phone. He may have blocked certain numbers (his mother’s, for example) or may have switched his phone to ‘do not disturb’. Both would allow him to continue using his phone.

Both would also mean continued availability of mobile data and pings to detectives as well, of course.

 

[infinit]

Just a small thing but with regards to theories about the mobile phone usage earlier in the discussions... the timings of calls going to voicemail and footage of him using a phone beyond that time aren’t necessarily indicative of more than one phone. He may have blocked certain numbers (his mother’s, for example) or may have switched his phone to ‘do not disturb’. Both would allow him to continue using his phone.

Both would also mean continued availability of mobile data and pings to detectives as well, of course.

They could have that information and be holding it back, but from what has been reported in MSN they seem to have used the last CCTV as the point from which to begin expanding the search out. I've not seen anything that suggests there were specific parts of the forest they were very clearly targetting which would imply they have more information. But that's my non-professional opinion.

 

[ApparentlyInDenial]

Why are the Met withholding information?

The post-mortem is underway apparently, according to many MSM sources, meaning identification must have happened.

Yet here are the police guidelines:

"Once identity has been established and next of kin informed, the identities of the deceased can be released, unless there is a policing purpose for not doing so."

What is that policing purpose?

Media relations

 

[Jenesaisquoi]

DBM - I misunderstood guidelines to be a statement on this case.

 

[KHA]

Why are the Met withholding information?

The post-mortem is underway apparently, according to many MSM sources, meaning identification must have happened.

Yet here are the police guidelines:

"Once identity has been established and next of kin informed, the identities of the deceased can be released, unless there is a policing purpose for not doing so."

What is that policing purpose?

Media relations

The only MSM source I can see stating that the PM is underway, is a headline for The Sun. However in the report is merely says a PM is ‘due to be carried out’. No mention of time or date.....

Unless I am missing some new reports?

 

[Alyce]

The only MSM source I can see stating that the PM is underway, is a headline for The Sun. However in the report is merely says a PM is ‘due to be carried out’. No mention of time or date.....

Unless I am missing some new reports?

That is all I have seen, due to be carried out.

 

[infinit]

I think a previous poster aluded to it but if he's in poor condition with no obvious markings and he's never had a dental x-ray or required dental work they might need to resort to DNA. I assume that's something they have to send to a specalist lab but I don't know what the turn around time on that is typically?

 

[KHA]

I think a previous poster aluded to it but if he's in poor condition with no obvious markings and he's never had a dental x-ray or required dental work they might need to resort to DNA. I assume that's something they have to send to a specalist lab but I don't know what the turn around time on that is typically?

In terms of dental work, he has a brace in some pictures when he was younger. So dental records should certainly be available.

 

[infinit]

In terms of dental work, he has a brace in some pictures when he was younger. So dental records should certainly be available.

Good observation.

Question to anyone who might know. If they found the body and it was somehow obvious to a pathologist visiting the scene that it was likely foul-play e.g. multiple stab wounds to the chest or something that would be odd to be self-inflicted or obvious post-death injuries - Would they launch a murder investigation then or await the formal PM?

 

[fyllepo]

Good observation.

Question to anyone who might know. If they found the body and it was somehow obvious to a pathologist visiting the scene that it was likely foul-play e.g. multiple stab wounds to the chest or something that would be odd to be self-inflicted or obvious post-death injuries - Would they launch a murder investigation then or await the formal PM?

Not all murder investigations have the luxury of a PM before they have to begin. Common sense would prevail, if there is enough reason to assume a murder..

 

[ApparentlyInDenial]

Current live traffic for Epping New Road/Wake Arms Roundabout is dark red, as opposed to what's normally green (according to Google). Graphic attached. Are the police still on-scene?

 

[Commoner]

No idea, but I'm on M11 southbound at the moment (passenger, not driver!) and there's heavy traffic northbound.

We used to go via Epping Forest when the M11 was stuffed up, so it might be displacement of traffic?

 

[ApparentlyInDenial]

The family are there right now it looks like:

Heartbroken Richard Okorogheye's mum lays flowers in Epping Forest pond

Very sad to see.

 

[Snookysnooky]

The family are there right now it looks like:

Heartbroken Richard Okorogheye's mum lays flowers in Epping Forest pond

It says this was on Monday?

Very sad to see.

 

[dotr]

rbbm.
Heartbroken Richard Okorogheye's mum lays flowers in Epping Forest pond
''Latest police statement
The Metropolitan Police said in a statement yesterday (Tuesday, April 6) that officers are continuing to investigate in Epping Forest as the post-mortem takes place.

Speaking outside New Scotland Yard, Detective Superintendent Danny Gosling said: "This is an extensive enquiry and we are working tirelessly to establish the full circumstances. This includes forensic, medical and specialist enquiries which all take time to complete.


"This is an extensive enquiry and we are working tirelessly to establish the full circumstances. This includes forensic, medical and specialist enquiries which all take time to complete.

"As part of the ongoing investigation we've remained in the area to carry out further investigations.

Metropolitan Police officers at the scene at the Wake Valley pond in Epping Forest following the discovery of a man's body (Image: Ian West/PA Wire)
"I would like to thank the public for supporting our search for Richard by sharing our appeals, checking door bell footage, dash cam footage and passing on any information no matter how small.

"I continue to urge the public to carry on and support us in our investigation.''

 

[KHA]

The family are there right now it looks like:

Heartbroken Richard Okorogheye's mum lays flowers in Epping Forest pond

Very sad to see.

Absolutely heartbreaking

 

[JuicyLucy]

I think a previous poster aluded to it but if he's in poor condition with no obvious markings and he's never had a dental x-ray or required dental work they might need to resort to DNA. I assume that's something they have to send to a specalist lab but I don't know what the turn around time on that is typically?

I'm not an expert, far from it, but afaik, it would be a few days at least. I think DNA can be fast-tracked but usually only when, say, there's a suspect in custody who may have to be released without a result. Not in this situation imho.

I think waiting for DNA is quite a likely scenario. The family are all acting as though it's Richard, which imo would be odd if there was any genuine doubt. Regarding the dental braces/records, it may be that his face or head are not intact. (Sorry.)

ETA JMO

 

[Snookysnooky]

It seems like alot of resource, presence still if they suspect suicide. (I really don't mean that to sound insensitive obviously)

I think there is more to this us than we are being told

 

[Commoner]

Presumably the police have to keep all options open until after the full PM report, and of course the Coroner will be involved (soon if not already)