GUILTY UK - Sara Sharif, 10, found murdered in house, Surrey, Aug 2023 *POIs ARREST* #4

[su5ie]

that is all crazy tbh

People often think if you get housed by council it's free or very little rent but if you for example earn 1000 euro per week you pay 12 percent per week on that which is 120 euro or there abouts and if your partner or child also earn that they also pay 120 euro each and if you opted to buy from council it is probably about 500 per month as you recieve a discounted price but to have that option you must be living in the house for a number of years and for every 10 years living there any rent you paid goes off cost price .

I'm assuming malik wasn't put on rent in UK because of some benefits urfan and bienash recieved whether it be tax reduction or social welfare benefits . We have a family income supplement or working family payment which is a payment given to working families on low income by social welfare don't know if uk have equivalent

 

[UK Girl]

People often think if you get housed by council it's free or very little rent but if you for example earn 1000 euro per week you pay 12 percent per week on that which is 120 euro or there abouts and if your partner or child also earn that they also pay 120 euro each and if you opted to buy from council it is probably about 500 per month as you recieve a discounted price but to have that option you must be living in the house for a number of years and for every 10 years living there any rent you paid goes off cost price .

I'm assuming malik wasn't put on rent in UK because of some benefits urfan and bienash recieved whether it be tax reduction or social welfare benefits . We have a family income supplement or working family payment which is a payment given to working families on low income by social welfare don't know if uk have equivalent

I know exactly how rents work but here it isnt remotely the same as in Ireland. If a rent is say £100 a week it will be that whether one person is working or six adults are working. It is that simple. It is per house and not per person. There was no need for him to be put on the rent.

 

[su5ie]

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Or student accommodation . The fact of the matter is I imagine it was because it was expected by him to have a woman cook and clean up after him and do his washing . I don't get the impression that either urfan or malik regarded women as equal and seem to take an extreme view of Islamic traditions of women in one room and men in another and no mixing of the two genders after puberty. Which is why I would imagine malik and ns shared a room which in turn leads me to definitely believe malik knew about the abuse even if NS just casually mentioned it to his room mate uncle

 

[su5ie]

I know exactly how rents work but here it isnt remotely the same as in Ireland. If a rent is say £100 a week it will be that whether one person is working or six adults are working. It is that simple. It is per house and not per person. There was no need for him to be put on the rent.

That's is an amazing system I did not know that and it creates a better incentive for adults in a household to go out working instead of staying on benefits to keep rent low

Do you think he was hidden for over crowding purposes if rent was not the issue or as a previous poster states tenancy agreement and being unable to add him to that ,made them pretend he didn't live there .

I also wonder did Sara's abuses coincide with malik arriving in UK. One of the things said was he couldn't mix with Sara because of cultural expectations bit Sara was only 8 or there abouts when he moved in . Very unlikely she was menstrual at that age .as its quite unusual for a girl under 10 to have begun a period . It does happen but not really common and not in a girl so under nourished I would imagine

 

[UK Girl]

That's is an amazing system I did not know that and it creates a better incentive for adults in a household to go out working instead of staying on benefits to keep rent low

Do you think he was hidden for over crowding purposes if rent was not the issue or as a previous poster states tenancy agreement and being unable to add him to that ,made them pretend he didn't live there .

I also wonder did Sara's abuses coincide with malik arriving in UK. One of the things said was he couldn't mix with Sara because of cultural expectations bit Sara was only 8 or there abouts when he moved in . Very unlikely she was menstrual at that age .as its quite unusual for a girl under 10 to have begun a period . It does happen but not really common and not in a girl so under nourished I would imagine

I don't believe for one minute that he did not mix with Sara. In my opinion that was said to try and make an excuse for him not getting help for Sara.

 

[Pinkestpanther]

Sara's abuse started long before Malik arrived to live with the family. I don't personally believe he was to blame for any of the abuse. But if he knew it was happening, then he should have reported it or intervened. His slightly 'unofficial' living arrangements may have inhibited him in doing this. His circumstances are very different to the other 2 as he also didn't have parental responsibility for Sara. I think causing or allowing could be the appropriate charge for him.

 

[su5ie]

Child cruelty offences: Updated sentencing guidelines published – Sentencing

www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk

Just looked up what is the sentence for causing or allowing the death of a child in UK.


Feel a bit better now prehaps malik won't get off too lightly

 

[FlamingLily]

Agree, but I wouldn't be surprised if BB is found guilty of murder either; in my opinion she certainly contributed, though US has muddied the waters a lot with his evidence. I think she and FM will be the ones who will make this take longer; personally I don't feel FM is proved of anything above allowing (on the evidence I have heard, which is only snippets of what the jury have), but I fully understand those who want him to be found guilty of more, and imagine the jury will have varying opinions on him.

Umm no rent is not assessed by income unless you are on benefits. I am confused why you think Malik being there would cause council tax arrears as him being there would not affect his council tax unless again they were on benefit. About rent say you have a whole street of identical three bedroom houses - the base rent will be the same for all the houses. If they are on universal credit they will pay some but otherwise people pay the same rent. The main issue would be if they were overhoused because of him and they likely were.

Nothing like a murder trial to air the filthy laundry. Refreshing how humiliating it is for these turdz to have their lives laid bare. Especially Sarah's relentless torture was concealed: countless brushes with the law, relationship indiscretions, theft from friends and employers, school warnings, neighbours knocking and dreading school holidays, gambling, drinking, womanising, bruising and burning kids, family fallouts,

Sara's abuse started long before Malik arrived to live with the family. I don't personally believe he was to blame for any of the abuse. But if he knew it was happening, then he should have reported it or intervened. His slightly 'unofficial' living arrangements may have inhibited him in doing this. His circumstances are very different to the other 2 as he also didn't have parental responsibility for Sara. I think causing or allowing could be the appropriate charge for him.

I agree. I'd be curious to know how his DNA got on the belt used to punish Sara though. Could DNA rub off on leather simply by wearing it, I wonder?

 

[FlamingLily]

Sara's abuse started long before Malik arrived to live with the family. I don't personally believe he was to blame for any of the abuse. But if he knew it was happening, then he should have reported it or intervened. His slightly 'unofficial' living arrangements may have inhibited him in doing this. His circumstances are very different to the other 2 as he also didn't have parental responsibility for Sara. I think causing or allowing could be the appropriate charge for him.

You make a good point about unofficial living arrangements. I'm sure Malik didn't want any attention drawn to himself so kept his head down. Again, makes me wonder why he was so keen to live so far away from uni in cramped house with noise levels from hell.

 

[su5ie]

You make a good point about unofficial living arrangements. I'm sure Malik didn't want any attention drawn to himself so kept his head down. Again, makes me wonder why he was so keen to live so far away from uni in cramped house with noise levels from hell.

No woman to serve him in uni accommodation. Who would hand him his dinner ,do his washing ,clean up after him ??? This is a man who believes females are beneath him .second class citizens , an individual whose belief was not to mix or be alone with a female even stating he didn't see Sara because his religion didn't allow him be around her !!!

Imo all lies in the hope he would go free to enable him to "take care " of urfans children in his absence. In urfans cultural ideals and practices is it not uncles who take the place of the father in his absence. To control the children especially females and I would imagine a twisted way of ensuring NS doesn't go live with olga .

Obviously there is no proof of him beating Sara or witnessing it but given the fact malik wasn't around females in the household .Who did he most probably sit with NS and urfan . And I believe urfan would have been vocal in his distain towards Sara so malik definitely knew

 

[Dotta]

I'm wondering...

The marriage was in crisis some time ago.
U threatened divorce and then left to Pakistan leaving B with 6 kids!
( Was he going to send money for them?
Like childcare? )

According to him he returned because his eldest son was ill.
Soon afterwards FM arrived.
He even talked about another accomodation
but U insisted he stayed in the house
(something about family duty according to U)
B complained to sister she
"had no privacy".

Hmmm....

Was FM as husband's brother keeping an eye on her?

I rather believe this scenario than "romance" between them as some suggested.
No way IMO.

JMO

All based on reports from Guildford Dragon.

Guildford Dragon NEWS

Guildford News

guildford-dragon.com

 

[su5ie]

I'm wondering...

The marriage was in crisis some time ago.
U threatened divorce and then left to Pakistan leaving B with 6 kids!
(Was he going to send money for them?
Like childcare? )

According to him he returned because his eldest son was ill.
Soon afterwards FM arrived.
He even talked about another accomodation
but U insisted he stayed in the house
(something about family duty according to U)
B complained to sister she
"had no privacy".

Hmmm....

Was FM as husband's brother keeping an eye on her?

I rather believe this scenario than "romance" between them as some suggested.
No way IMO.

JMO

Definitely. I have the belief malik was another male relative sent to keep an eye on things and maintain discipline while urfan worked remember females are deemed Lower chaste in their eyes so possibly to keep bienash in line too . The only thing that goes against bienash being a victim herself is she had a lot of control over her phone maybe it was hidden away ?? And she only used it when males not there ?

No matter the known narrative of malik living there on urfans insistence and family duty . We really don't know the real truth with all the lies

I think I will be very upset if malik gets less than 10 years as I wholeheartedly believe he played an active role . Prehaps he only knew and let it happen and didn't interfere as urfan had everything under "control "

 

[su5ie]

Can anyone remember off the cuff when malik moved in and when Sara's abuse started .

I know the abuse against her began in the old accommodation but did it worsen in the new house and did malik live with them in the old house as well as new one in Woking

 

[Dotta]

Can anyone remember off the cuff when malik moved in and when Sara's abuse started .

I know the abuse against her began in the old accommodation but did it worsen in the new house and did malik live with them in the old house as well as new one in Woking

M arrived in 2022.
Soon after U returned from P.

Quote:

"Later that year, Sharif went to Pakistan, intending the move to be permanent, leaving Batool at home with the children.
He returned the following month, in December 2022,
and not long after that his brother, Faisal Malik, arrived in the UK and moved in with them.

Batool told her sisters
she never had any privacy."

All is there in G Dragon.
The best source about this trial.
Thank you Dear Dragon

Guildford Dragon NEWS

Guildford News

guildford-dragon.com

 

[UK Girl]

No woman to serve him in uni accommodation. Who would hand him his dinner ,do his washing ,clean up after him ??? This is a man who believes females are beneath him .second class citizens , an individual whose belief was not to mix or be alone with a female even stating he didn't see Sara because his religion didn't allow him be around her !!!

Imo all lies in the hope he would go free to enable him to "take care " of urfans children in his absence. In urfans cultural ideals and practices is it not uncles who take the place of the father in his absence. To control the children especially females and I would imagine a twisted way of ensuring NS doesn't go live with olga .

Obviously there is no proof of him beating Sara or witnessing it but given the fact malik wasn't around females in the household .Who did he most probably sit with NS and urfan . And I believe urfan would have been vocal in his distain towards Sara so malik definitely knew

you are assuming Urfan told the truth. Do you seriously believe all the hours Urfan was at work that Malik didnt speak to his sister in law? Because I do not believe that for a nanosecond. He was at Uni and there would have been females in his group. Likewise he worked at McDonalds and there would have been plenty there also.

 

[FlamingLily]

No woman to serve him in uni accommodation. Who would hand him his dinner ,do his washing ,clean up after him ??? This is a man who believes females are beneath him .second class citizens , an individual whose belief was not to mix or be alone with a female even stating he didn't see Sara because his religion didn't allow him be around her !!!

Imo all lies in the hope he would go free to enable him to "take care " of urfans children in his absence. In urfans cultural ideals and practices is it not uncles who take the place of the father in his absence. To control the children especially females and I would imagine a twisted way of ensuring NS doesn't go live with olga .

Obviously there is no proof of him beating Sara or witnessing it but given the fact malik wasn't around females in the household .Who did he most probably sit with NS and urfan . And I believe urfan would have been vocal in his distain towards Sara so malik definitely knew

Too right. Beneath him but within reach enough to scrub his bath rings, change his loo roll and wash his undies. Women and little girls MO

 

[su5ie]

you are assuming Urfan told the truth. Do you seriously believe all the hours Urfan was at work that Malik didnt speak to his sister in law? Because I do not believe that for a nanosecond. He was at Uni and there would have been females in his group. Likewise he worked at McDonalds and there would have been plenty there also.

I have always said I don't believe urfan so I totally agree with you on urfan not telling the truth .
My assumption is that all the defendants are liars and my second paragraph states that.

I'm assuming anything we have heard from urfan is BS

 

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[Dotta]

Let's hope the Jury will proceed on Monday.

Maybe instead of crossing fingers
I should hold thumbs -
the Polish way

So it seems 13 December was the adequate date for this trial to end.

JMO

 

[FlamingLily]

Can anyone remember off the cuff when malik moved in and when Sara's abuse started .

I know the abuse against her began in the old accommodation but did it worsen in the new house and did malik live with them in the old house as well as new one in Woking

It's possible he lived in both. But it seems the abuse escalated as household stress escalated. Batool being left with SIX kids at one point is likely to have contributed to feelings of hatred and complete mental/nervous breakdown. Her sisters' "stay and pray" attitude wouldn't have been much help. I'm surprised she didn't go around biting everyone. MOT