GUILTY UK - Sarah Everard, 33, London, Clapham Common area, 3 Mar 2021 *Life sentence* #17

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Sundried said:
Sorry, I don’t know how to quote posts from the previous thread but I saw someone mention they thought WC would end up being a ‘model prisoner’ and i just wondered what was meant by that? Particularly for someone who’s on a whole life term?
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I assume this means a prisoner who keeps to the rules, doesn’t get involved in any trouble or drama, is liked by the screws, and holds down some kind of prison job or role.

I personally think WC will either kill himself, be kept in solitary for his own safety, or be bullied by other prisoners.

The police really are truly hated in prison. This is a very high profile case as well, plus he comes across as socially awkward to me. He’s definitely in for a tough time.
 
It’s heartbreaking to think how terrified she would have been. The journey to Dover, helpless and handcuffed and he would have had the car locked. If she had been screaming and pleading with him, it would have irritated him. Does anyone think that he gave her some kind of tranquilliser or drug to make her sleep after he got her in the car?
 
I welcome any police reform from this case but that’s certainly not the only change needed. I would hope that the laws on flashing will change as a result of this case. Flashing need to be treated much more seriously - as far as I’m concerned all flashers are highly dangerous potential rapists and should be treated as such.
 
Coach said:
It’s heartbreaking to think how terrified she would have been. The journey to Dover, helpless and handcuffed and he would have had the car locked. If she had been screaming and pleading with him, it would have irritated him. Does anyone think that he gave her some kind of tranquilliser or drug to make her sleep after he got her in the car?
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I don’t think he sedated her, I think he would have really enjoyed her distress. I imagine he spent the journey telling her in great detail what he was about to do to her.
 
Coach said:
It’s heartbreaking to think how terrified she would have been. The journey to Dover, helpless and handcuffed and he would have had the car locked. If she had been screaming and pleading with him, it would have irritated him. Does anyone think that he gave her some kind of tranquilliser or drug to make her sleep after he got her in the car?
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Although it's hideous to comprehend, he might not have been irritated but rather enjoyed any pleading or distress. There was a time span of hours before SE was murdered. He could have ended it more quickly if he wasn't enjoying the process. Beyond evil.
 
So going back to his phone..after arrest they found the WhatsApp with police but he had wiped his phone to factory settings prior to arrest. So suggests he had stuff saved on his phone SIM and other activity /data in the cloud etc , 2 sources of info, only one accessible to police. I also think the details of what he did are too terrible for him to tell anyone and the phone is probably implicated.
 
Coach said:
It’s heartbreaking to think how terrified she would have been. The journey to Dover, helpless and handcuffed and he would have had the car locked. If she had been screaming and pleading with him, it would have irritated him. Does anyone think that he gave her some kind of tranquilliser or drug to make her sleep after he got her in the car?
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In Sarah's sister Katie's statement she says that the toxicology report showed no signs of drugs. Also they tested her brain for signs of trauma to see if she was unconscious.

Its a horrific thought.
I still don't understand his plan.
He did a 2 hour drive with an abducted woman during lockdown, there might have been numerous roadblocks. Would he have had knowledge of roadblocks and avoided them!?

It seems her phone didn't ping after Poynders Rd, so he must've taken it off her and turned it off. At that stage she must've been scared and realised it wasnt a normal arrest.
She probably hadnt been arrested before so was likely confused for 15 minutes at least.
 
Ironside said:
I don’t think he sedated her, I think he would have really enjoyed her distress. I imagine he spent the journey telling her in great detail what he was about to do to her.
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I think, as mentioned before, he probably kept saying it was an out of London processing unit due to Covid to keep her calm and not visibly distressed say they stopped at lights or traffic, I think the reality is she probably would have just calmly kept hoping he was telling the truth until the point he transferred her into the other car:( If not she would have been struggling, moving, trying to kick that back of his seat I would assume.
 
Coach said:
It’s heartbreaking to think how terrified she would have been. The journey to Dover, helpless and handcuffed and he would have had the car locked. If she had been screaming and pleading with him, it would have irritated him. Does anyone think that he gave her some kind of tranquilliser or drug to make her sleep after he got her in the car?
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I almost hope he did.
 
Ironside said:
I welcome any police reform from this case but that’s certainly not the only change needed. I would hope that the laws on flashing will change as a result of this case. Flashing need to be treated much more seriously - as far as I’m concerned all flashers are highly dangerous potential rapists and should be treated as such.
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Is there a Uk petition on this? Not that even petitions with the right number of signatures to be debated in parliament, get far - but it does raise the matter to MP's who can continue to be lobbied. Flashing needs a stiff sentence and widely publicised to the public to always report it.
 
cestmoi said:
Although it's hideous to comprehend, he might not have been irritated but rather enjoyed any pleading or distress. There was a time span of hours before SE was murdered. He could have ended it more quickly if he wasn't enjoying the process. Beyond evil.
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Yes at some point during the journey, she could have tried to persuade him to take her home. Say no one would believe her anyway if she said she'd been kidnapped by a police officer and it would never be traced to him etc. And he could have started to be human and have compassion. But he was on a mission - he had been preparing and was in full swing and wanted to carry out. No compassion at all. I hope he did drug her as someone mentioned above.
 
Sorry it is another DMOnline(!), but this shows an insight to his personality and self-confidence in himself saying "I have all manner of skills which I can bring to an acting role":-

"Couzens, who raped and murdered Sarah Everard, touted himself as an actor on an online talent directory, with his profile (above) including a picture of him in uniform

In December, he set up a page on dating website Match.com, claiming that he was separated and living in Canterbury.

He also touted himself as an actor on an online talent directory, with his profile including a picture of him in uniform. He described himself as an officer specialising in counter terrorism, contrary to police guidance."

PAUL BRACCHI asks how depraved Wayne Couzens climbed up the career ladder | Daily Mail Online
 
Italia said:
So going back to his phone..after arrest they found the WhatsApp with police but he had wiped his phone to factory settings prior to arrest. So suggests he had stuff saved on his phone SIM and other activity /data in the cloud etc , 2 sources of info, only one accessible to police. I also think the details of what he did are too terrible for him to tell anyone and the phone is probably implicated.
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I thought about that earlier - I believe with Whatsapp, the messages are saved in the account, so if they could re-sign into his account later, they could see the messages. Assume these apps allowed Police access to his account.
 
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