Found Deceased UK - Sarah Everard, 33, London - Clapham Common area, 3 March 2021 *Arrests* #14

[Puzzles]

Just read this bit further down
"Police arrested the suspect at his home in Deal on Tuesday following a tip-off about a car allegedly spotted on a motorist's dashcam near to where the missing woman was last seen. Yesterday a CCTV clip showing a woman passenger in a car was being examined"
Police search military tunnels near garage of Sarah Everard suspect

@LeopardLeotard, you've been an outstanding contributor throughout our discussions of the tragedy of Sarah's death, and my quibble with the above Daily Mail quote certainly doesn't diminish my appreciation for all the information you've reported to us.

While the quoted paragraph states the suspect was arrested "following a tip-off about a car allegedly spotted on a motorist's dash cam near to where the missing woman was last seen", I notice the next sentence merely states "Yesterday a CCTV clip showing a woman passenger in a car was being examined ie. it doesn't state the car.

By using 'a' instead of 'the', the writer may cause us to believe s/he refers to the same car discussed in the previous sentence, but it isn't necessarily a fact.

I don't at all mean to be pedantic, but unless a more reliable source than the DM reports the examination of any CCTV clip of a woman passenger in the specific car associated with Sarah's kidnapping, I'm not convinced this describes anyone actually seeking evidence of Sarah being identified in an actual potentially pertinent CCTV image.

IMO, this DM statement could equally refer to the examination of CCTV images of a woman in some random car in Outer Mongolia.

Perhaps more will be revealed...

 

[catchingdelivery]

If you go along Google Street View you will see the damage to the railing. So not recent I believe.

24 hours or so ago roughly I posted this in an earlier thread:

Going back to a video on YouTube of the crime scene forensic search at Poynders Road on March 9 (Google it; don't think can be linked here).

Where they are looking, and presumably where car was, is a dropped kerb for an entrance/exit to the rear of the flats. Was this where he had been waiting? Did he drive out and accidentally knock into her, hence his pulling out on to road, jumping out of car quickly and leaving driver's door open, going round to her, opening passenger door and saying he'd take her either home or to hospital? The metal fence also looks like something has gone into it, but could have already been like it.

Just another personal thought.

I have asked a mod if this vid can be used here.

Having now got clearance, here is said vid. Not a lot we didn't see on March 9, but in close up detail, and rather interesting . It was actually our @tedtink who first found this, so due credit.

 

[Gemmie]

It will forever haunt me, the journey she had all the way to Kent. I've done it many times from that road (where I lived ) and in those circumstances it must have felt the longest journey ever. I hope we get answers.

I'm hoping the family gets answers. And LE so they can have a strong case against him. As much as I'd like to know all that went on, I feel my curiosity comes last.

 

[Herat]

24 hours or so ago roughly I posted this in an earlier thread:

Going back to a video on YouTube of the crime scene forensic search at Poynders Road on March 9 (Google it; don't think can be linked here).

Where they are looking, and presumably where car was, is a dropped kerb for an entrance/exit to the rear of the flats. Was this where he had been waiting? Did he drive out and accidentally knock into her, hence his pulling out on to road, jumping out of car quickly and leaving driver's door open, going round to her, opening passenger door and saying he'd take her either home or to hospital? The metal fence also looks like something has gone into it, but could have already been like it.

Just another personal thought.

I have asked a mod if this vid can be used here.

Having now got clearance, here is said vid. Not a lot we didn't see on March 9, but in close up detail, and rather interesting . It was actually our @tedtink who first found this, so due credit.

I believe this was debated back on Thread #4 and maybe Threads #9 or 10.

The damaged fence is there in prior Google earth shots from a couple of years ago

 

[squish]

Sorry if this has already been gone over. From the Mail:

‘Ms Everard was captured alone on CCTV at 9.15pm and again 9.28pm, and was later caught on the camera of a marked police car at 9.32pm. At around 9.35pm, a bus camera captured two figures on Poynders Road and a white Vauxhall Astra with its hazard lights flashing. Another bus camera captured the same car with both front doors open. The registration of the vehicle, later confirmed to be a car hired in Dover, Kent, was caught and tracked by police as it left London towards Kent.’

If he had his hazards flashing, that sounds like he pulled over under the pretense that there was something wrong with his car, or some other kind of emergency. Both doors being open at the same time sounds like she got in willingly. He must have tricked her. I can see why they think he used his status as a policeman to make her trust him.

 

[Miss_French]

For all dental records ID might not be that unusual, there is the suggestion IMO that the body may not be in a good state due to the wording "appear to be" human remains and maybe due to the post mortem being inconclusive. Although later it was reported as a body and would decomposition make post mortem results inconclusive? MOO, supposition.

'Appear to be' could be as simple as the police have found the bag, it's torn a bit or they've started to open it, seen something inside and not gone any further until the specialists arrive for further examination.

 

[Blanche]

Sorry if this has already been gone over. From the Mail:

‘Ms Everard was captured alone on CCTV at 9.15pm and again 9.28pm, and was later caught on the camera of a marked police car at 9.32pm. At around 9.35pm, a bus camera captured two figures on Poynders Road and a white Vauxhall Astra with its hazard lights flashing. Another bus camera captured the same car with both front doors open. The registration of the vehicle, later confirmed to be a car hired in Dover, Kent, was caught and tracked by police as it left London towards Kent.’

If he had his hazards flashing, that sounds like he pulled over under the pretense that there was something wrong with his car, or some other kind of emergency. Both doors being open at the same time sounds like she got in willingly. He must have tricked her. I can see why they think he used his status as a policeman to make her trust him.

I agree.

 

[mrjitty]

See you all for the trial friendos

 

[Jenesaisquoi]

See you all for the trial friendos

You said that before on here and came back!

 

[Reaneybean]

This is all JMO and own thoughts...

Referring back to the comments about whether or not the accused could have been lodging at Poynders Court. Could there be a possibility that the accused and a few of his colleagues (maybe working on opposite shift patterns) rented a flat as somewhere to get their heads down, shower etc between night shifts? It would make economic sense if four of five of them chipped in and had somewhere to bunk to avoid an hour + drive home when super tired.

JMO

 

[lensamps]

I'm hoping the family gets answers. And LE so they can have a strong case against him. As much as I'd like to know all that went on, I feel my curiosity comes last.

<modsnip>We're all concerned at what she went through and want answers. It obviously goes without saying SE's family and LE are at the top of priority for this...

Just to feed in my own thoughts on the CCTV image timestamped 21.50 on Poynder's Rd/King's Ave. IMO the timing is off, assuming she was taken shortly after 9.37pm when the bus captured the last known image, it doesn't make sense the car would then be at that junction 13 minutes later when in reality it's no more than 1 minute away.

Secondly the car is in the turn off lane to go back into south London (Tooting/Balham way). If the car was going back to Kent it would be in the other lanes going straight on.

Having said that, I do agree the placement of the passenger does look odd and the video of it is even weirder seeing how completely still the occupants are.

 

[Urbanfox1]

Good morning from fairly sunny London! Catching up but can someone point me to a description to the meme? Thanks!

 

[LeopardLeotard]

Good morning from fairly sunny London! Catching up but can someone point me to a description to the meme? Thanks!

It's in this thread, go back a few pages x

 

[LeopardLeotard]

It's in this thread, go back a few pages x

Page 7 xx

 

[Audiohoney]

24 hours or so ago roughly I posted this in an earlier thread:

Going back to a video on YouTube of the crime scene forensic search at Poynders Road on March 9 (Google it; don't think can be linked here).

Where they are looking, and presumably where car was, is a dropped kerb for an entrance/exit to the rear of the flats. Was this where he had been waiting? Did he drive out and accidentally knock into her, hence his pulling out on to road, jumping out of car quickly and leaving driver's door open, going round to her, opening passenger door and saying he'd take her either home or to hospital? The metal fence also looks like something has gone into it, but could have already been like it.

Just another personal thought.

I have asked a mod if this vid can be used here.

Having now got clearance, here is said vid. Not a lot we didn't see on March 9, but in close up detail, and rather interesting . It was actually our @tedtink who first found this, so due credit.

I wonder if what they’re actually investigating is his version of events.

Perhaps he explained his reason for placing her in the car (if indeed he did) was because he’d accidentally hit her.

Maybe what they’re doing is gathering evidence to rule out his excuse?

This would presume he’s talking, which I’m not sure he is. But in Libby Squires case for example, PR admitted to having Libby in his car but gave an excuse as to why she was there. Maybe WC has tried to offer a legitimate reason for needing to assist Sarah into his.

JMO

 

[Commoner]

I know LE has section houses in London — the accused could have stayed in one during the day, following his shift? A LE friend of mine stayed in one during a marriage breakdown.

I asked if there were still section houses in London on an earlier part of the thread (lost in the fast moving traffic) because I remember there was a bit of a hoo-ha in the MSM about sell offs. Here's one such article:

Met police sold £1bn of property to soften blow of budget cuts

I guess don't they make addresses of any remaining section houses public, and there are some pretty obvious reasons why they wouldn't.

 

[Audiohoney]

Page 7 xx

Looks like mods removed it because the Daily Mail removed their version?

 

[Sherlockhames]

I wonder if what they’re actually investigating is his version of events.

Perhaps he explained his reason for placing her in the car (if indeed he did) was because he’d accidentally hit her.

Maybe what they’re doing is gathering evidence to rule out his excuse?

This would presume he’s talking, which I’m not sure he is. But in Libby Squires case for example, PR admitted to having Libby in his car but gave an excuse as to why she was there. Maybe WC has tried to offer a legitimate reason for needing to assist Sarah into his.

JMO

I like the theory behind this. However, I think the timing is slightly out. LE shut off this and road and started forensic investigation at c3.50pm on the Tuesday. We are told he wasn’t arrested at his house until some time later that afternoon/evening (eyewitness reports vary, but I don’t recall seeing anything suggesting he had been spoken to by the police prior to at least c5pm on that same Tuesday)

IMO the police were acting on whatever they saw on the cctv and are trying to recreate or explain or find evidence to explain what they saw on the cctv (it might not been fully conclusive in terms of the 2 people being identifiable. But if they can demonstrate a link - physical evidence found/or dogs picking up scent then that at least gives LE some more information to work with. The only thing I have been wondering is whether there would have been enough time for LE to get items with WC scent on from his house and rush that up to the Poynders Road site? Not sure how efficient or otherwise investigations such as this can be. Plus there would need to approval (either from him or others in the investigation to do this. Maybe it wouldn’t be admissible evidence anyway - but is all to provide context to what the police are piecing together as what happened. And then knowing where to look for the additional info to support or disprove their theory. Absence of evidence isn’t proof it didn’t happen. But they didn’t attend that scene until nearly a week after the event. And although it hadn’t really rained in the meantime, it was several days).

 

[asyousay]

This shares some details on what the meme was about.

Sick meme from Sarah Everard cop was ‘guide from abduction to murder’ – Metro

 

[mrjitty]

You said that before on here and came back!

Yeah but now the trial procedure is gearing up there won't be any new developments, plus we are highly restricted in what we can talk about.

I am much more of a trial poster anyway, as then we get the actual evidence presented.