UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #6

[su5ie]

JC’s not going to cause you any trouble, so post away.

https://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Psyc%20405/serial%20killers/Cannan,%20John.pdf

This is the pdf link

 

[su5ie]

This was the only photo I could find of a full image of JC . Did policemen in England have a height requirement? He doesn't look too short here and suzy was 5'6 from this article here

Suzy Lamplugh Disappearance

Clipping found in The Guardian published in London, Greater London, England on 7/31/1986. Suzy Lamplugh Disappearance

www.newspapers.com

I googled my own question policemen did have a height requirement up until early 1990s

 

[lee sumner]

its an excellent point about the door not being damaged in the newspaper and one I would not have twigged .. very observant of you . I think a lot of assumptions are and were made about this case... did a police man break in or suzys dad

they could have gained entry to shorrolds rd by using the back door. suzy goes missing on monday, and life goes on in the business world. the locks to 37 shorrolds rd would have been changed the next day tuesday. i would bet my life on it. the house has still got to be sold, so the locks would have been changed ASAP. its weird no one can remember the locks being changed under the circumstances, but that is down to the passage of time. iam convinced SL took the keys and paperwork with her that day.

 

[Officer Dibble]

DBM

 

[lee sumner]

its an excellent point about the door not being damaged in the newspaper and one I would not have twigged .. very observant of you . I think a lot of assumptions are and were made about this case... did a police man break in or suzys dad

pc jones was the officer who had to break down door to SL flat.

 

[su5ie]

pc jones was the officer who had to break down door to SL flat.

Thanks Lee for that . Have you got a link for that . If you don't it's no worries

 

[su5ie]

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I came across this site if anyone is interested. Nothing to do with suzy just little known forgotten or rarer cases in the uk .I had came across Margaret Frame murder in 1978 during my searches re suzy and found this website

 

[lee sumner]

Thanks Lee for that . Have you got a link for that . If you don't it's no worries

hi there. jones talks about breaking down SL door on the documentary. crimes that shook britain, which profiles SL case. it should be on you tube.

 

[lee sumner]

CV's later recollection of the phone calls from / about SJL during 28th are an example of this. When someone rang the pub, asked if "Susan" were there and said to keep her there if she turned up, what says this call had anything to do with SJL? Why can't it have been a wrong number, or about something else, or misremembered from a different day? Did anyone called Susan work at the PoW?

I'm still gobsmacked that the police never searched the pub on Monday 28th July. They searched 123SR and 37SR, the former a place there was no reason to think she had intended to go, but they never searched the other place they did know she was heading? FFS!

the susan mystery call sounds really weird. i think KH made up the story as a way to insert himself into the case more. if that is the case, then he is now a suspect in the eyes of DV, ha, ha.

 

[su5ie]

the susan mystery call sounds really weird. i think KH made up the story as a way to insert himself into the case more. if that is the case, then he is now a suspect in the eyes of DV, ha, ha.

KH states he reported this in the first few weeks of the investigation and gave officers a number on a piece of paper from a caller named' Sarah ' The piece of paper was lost by the investigation team apparently but this wouldn't surprise me anyway

 

[Terryb808]

KH states he reported this in the first few weeks of the investigation and gave officers a number on a piece of paper from a caller named' Sarah ' The piece of paper was lost by the investigation team apparently but this wouldn't surprise me anyway

Me neither.

 

[lee sumner]

KH states he reported this in the first few weeks of the investigation and gave officers a number on a piece of paper from a caller named' Sarah ' The piece of paper was lost by the investigation team apparently but this wouldn't surprise me anyway

i think KH gave that information one year on in july 1987.

 

[su5ie]

i think KH gave that information one year on in july 1987.

He did . And According to him he also gave that information in the early days of the investigation in which he alleges he gave the piece of paper with sarahs number to a detective and he reiterated it in 1987 . I don't know which is more likely KH/CV having false memory or lying or police having lost it neither situation would shock me tbh . I not 100% on this but did the phone call from" Sarah " get answered by kH's wife .I don't know which one Allegedly took the second phone call from the "policeman " To me if these phonecalls are true ,I don't recall seeing any appeals for this woman Sarah to come forward which makes me think it was a lie and police didn't waste time on a falsehood

 

[su5ie]

Is KH's wife's real name Julie does anyone know does AS give the real name

 

[lee sumner]

He did . And According to him he also gave that information in the early days of the investigation in which he alleges he gave the piece of paper with sarahs number to a detective and he reiterated it in 1987 . I don't know which is more likely KH/CV having false memory or lying or police having lost it neither situation would shock me tbh . I not 100% on this but did the phone call from" Sarah " get answered by kH's wife .I don't know which one Allegedly took the second phone call from the "policeman " To me if these phonecalls are true ,I don't recall seeing any appeals for this woman Sarah to come forward which makes me think it was a lie and police didn't waste time on a falsehood

suzy arranged to pick up her missing items from the POW pub at 6pm. she was last seen and heard speaking to the landlords wife on the phone before she left the office around 1230pm, so KH never even spoke to suzy. it was his wife who did the talking.

 

[WestLondoner]

To me if these phonecalls are true ,I don't recall seeing any appeals for this woman Sarah to come forward which makes me think it was a lie and police didn't waste time on a falsehood

That's a good point actually. If told about these calls in 1986, the police would surely have issued an appeal for the callers to get in touch. The fact they didn't supports the idea that these calls were first mentioned only in 1987.

 

[lee sumner]

Suzy was also known as a good time keeper and never slacked of work so a lot of things she did that morning were off key for her IF she put in a fake diary entry .
Another thing that came across as conflicting for me was an article I read about Dr pam and her arriving at DLs on the Tuesday very upset ( please don't ask me to find it lol see below )
This to me is natural if some evidence is there that suzy has been hurt even mr and mrs L were not too anxious about suzy at that stage they had thought suzy j had prehaps bumped her head and had amnesia but the heel of the hunt is
she states she was to meet suzy for lunch at 1pm on the Monday and if she had have stuck to the lunch date suzy would not be missing. This raises two red flags for me . Firstly Sturgis didn't have a particular time for lunch so how could suzy have given a time, secondly when was it cancelled? This would give more guidance as to when suzy took the 12 .45 appointment and if pam spoke to her that morning would it not add credence to the diary entry and prehaps a better timeline of when suzy took the call for the appointment with Mr kipper
If she knew at say 11 why didn't she say anything to her co workers or fill out more details. And if pam cancelled last minute . Did Mr kipper ring at the last minute too . Bit of a coincidence. I would like to find out more about this lunch date . But I trawled through so much old newspaper articles yesterday my eyes hurt it seems nothing is on record of value about this . Did pam see suzy or cancel over the weekend ? or the week before ? Personally I'm beginning to get suspicious over Dr pam and TS . As absolutely nothing in the papers in 1986 that I could find from suzys so called bestie and one that was already on tv or eager to be JMO

I also cannot understand why it was never established if JC was tall enough to validate the seat being pulled back so far and why HR was never asked to pick out from an identity parade . If he was the sole witness to what the man looked like surely this was the logical step

i have seen dr pam on many tv shows over the years, but never on a show about suzy. its weird she was supposed to be one of her close friends, but never talks about her.

 

[Konstantin]

i have seen dr pam on many tv shows over the years, but never on a show about suzy. its weird she was supposed to be one of her close friends, but never talks about her.

I don't know if it is necessarily weird. People behave in a way that makes logical sense to them. Even if that does not seem like it is something we, ourselves, would do. We don't know how SJL's disappearance, which eventually was recognized as because she was murdered, affected PSS. PSS is a human with emotions and we all react in different ways.

 

[Officer Dibble]

Thanks to whoever mentioned plenty of books about SL disappearance available online. I've got to pages 28/29 and one thing came to my mind - it mentions that SL's car was provided by Sturgis and that the 18 year old office junior JC would use other staff cars to take photographs of new properties for sale. It says that morning JC had used SL's car to photograph a client's house and had parked it in a side road opposite the office in Whittingstall Road, off of the Fulham Road. The thing that came to my mind was that what if the 18 year old office junior was in a hurry and hadn't locked the car door - could someone (knowing that SL mostly drove the car and perhaps knowing she was about to meet Mr Kipper) have crouched down in the back waiting for her, surprised her with a knife (having read the PDF file discussed here recently on another JC - aka Canaan)the car surprising thing with a knife was a regular thing for him allegedly and could he, or some other perp, have instructed her to drive to proposed car viewing or to where the car was later found? JMO MOO