I do ;-)
GUILTY UK - Tia Sharp, 12, New Addington, London, 3 Aug 2012 #3
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Hope you see what I mean. If I had only ever seen the 2nd part I would have definitely thought he was too twitchy and defensive but it was that first part that I just couldn't read one way or another. Clearly the crew had been told to close up on his hands, his eyes etc.
Even though there were other people in the room, apart from a momentary pan across to DS the camera is tight on SH, so the police knew who their prime suspect was and were hoping that he would trip himself up - either verbally or body language-wise.
Odd watching it when we know that Tia had already been put in the loft above their heads by someone most likely sitting in that room.
i have a very dark side to me but its still not shady lol
did i kill the thread with that comment lol
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I found the first 2 min of this video interesting, about talking in too much detail of events and waffling. What do you think?
[video=youtube;8MFwYE_06sc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MFwYE_06sc&feature=related[/video]
[video=youtube;8MFwYE_06sc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MFwYE_06sc&feature=related[/video]
Can't get my head around this scenario. If they didn't ask about TS, does that mean they both knew there was no point because they both knew she was already dead? And what would be the reason to go there?
It can't have been to get help moving the body because the body wasn't moved, at least not very far.
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Oh yes, and I have already identified that among real life people I have known and dealt with. Builders who turn up late, for example, if the reason is a lie they go into for more detail than necessary. Also friends - if they give more than one reason to support why they couldn't make a meeting, or carry out some other favor, it's not true (or an exaggeration of an actual event which shouldn't actually have been sufficient to prevent the default)
i mentioned before on here about the vid of SH and how much detail he gave about things he did that normal people wouldn't remember.
the reason he remembered so much is because it was rehearsed over and over in his head to make sure he had his story straight.
if somebody put me on the spot right now and asked me what i did all day yesterday i could recall certain things but not in much detail as i have no reason to remember all the boring mundane things i might have done.
What was the question the interviewer asks SH before he starts explaining about his cleaning regime? Was he being defensive before he'd been accused or was the question geared up to get him to explain about what he'd done in his day (rather than Tias) in the hope that he'd trip himself up?
Tia was let down in every possible way by her family, but also the police and social services let her down. As a result, we may never know exactly what happened to her because of the state of decomposition, but I hope the social services files on her immediate family are released at some time.
CS was quoted as saying that Tia used her house as a "refuge". If that was a refuge, then god only knows what her home life was like. Of course, I don't believe most of what comes out of CS's mouth, but it did strike me as odd that she would say that.
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But the video doesn't even show DS facial expressions so we have no idea if they changed or not
at some points they actually show DS staring at SH while he is talking
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I've dipped in and out of that interview too. It's more interesting to watch now that we know he was lying. Given how many convictions he's had, it's probably safe to say he's an accomplished liar who's had to bend the truth a lot to get out of tricky situations. Maybe he learnt to lie when he was a young boy because he was afraid of getting into trouble, and now it's second nature to him.
Also interesting to see him lose focus at points during the interview. Although he was clear about where he'd cleaned, he wasn't so confident when it came to explaining the interaction he'd had with Tia in the morning. It was all very vague, 'she was mumbling' - 'I wasn't logging it in my head', but his account of the cleaning is very detailed, because that part is probably true. He then possibly had to invent an entire morning's worth of activity, and if it didn't happen (because she died the night before) - then I can understand why that part didn't sound flow as easily
One thing I made a mental note of was how long it took him to say anything at all. He was the last person to see her, and yet everybody else seemed to speak except for him. Was he perfecting his story with the others before he felt confident enough to explain what happened in full view of millions of people?
Lastly, I cannot shake the feeling that Gran had a lot to do with it. Maybe not with the murder itself, but with the aftermath, the cover up and the lies. If she knew 'her baby' - 'her life', was dead in the loft and did nothing about it, well, it just goes to show how blood is not thicker than water. Protecting herself would be seen as a bigger priority than the murder of a child they all professed to love so much. And honestly, I still think the whole family were aware of what happened, and that Gran organised how to deal with it. Maybe she decided who would be the spokesperson, what words they'd use about how much they loved Tia, and even when Hazell should be interviewed on TV (because that was obviously voluntary).
Also interesting to see him lose focus at points during the interview. Although he was clear about where he'd cleaned, he wasn't so confident when it came to explaining the interaction he'd had with Tia in the morning. It was all very vague, 'she was mumbling' - 'I wasn't logging it in my head', but his account of the cleaning is very detailed, because that part is probably true. He then possibly had to invent an entire morning's worth of activity, and if it didn't happen (because she died the night before) - then I can understand why that part didn't sound flow as easily
One thing I made a mental note of was how long it took him to say anything at all. He was the last person to see her, and yet everybody else seemed to speak except for him. Was he perfecting his story with the others before he felt confident enough to explain what happened in full view of millions of people?
Lastly, I cannot shake the feeling that Gran had a lot to do with it. Maybe not with the murder itself, but with the aftermath, the cover up and the lies. If she knew 'her baby' - 'her life', was dead in the loft and did nothing about it, well, it just goes to show how blood is not thicker than water. Protecting herself would be seen as a bigger priority than the murder of a child they all professed to love so much. And honestly, I still think the whole family were aware of what happened, and that Gran organised how to deal with it. Maybe she decided who would be the spokesperson, what words they'd use about how much they loved Tia, and even when Hazell should be interviewed on TV (because that was obviously voluntary).
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Now I'm going to have to go and watch it again lol... I was watching on my phone, maybe that's why
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In the video interview, SH does mention, twice, being annoyed with Tia: for not letting her phone charge and for losing her Oyster card. Telling? His emotions about Tia having gone missing seem to be much more pronounced after what initially began as a professing of his innocence in spite of his past record. Telling?
Yes, this is my theory. I'm not for one minute suggesting they moved the body. I'm asking whether it's possible they were there to ask for help to move it (and failed) or for a different reason.
To my mind it makes zero sense for them to believe it would look good to be seen (?) at a (not so local) fair unless Tia had expressed a desire to go there.
Which she didn't or he would have justified looking around a random venue by saying "Tia saw the poster for the fair so we checked there". Why check the fair? Why? Why when there are so many local kiddie areas to check?
One answer is because THEY wanted to blame the disappearance on the travellers. But that's thin bearing in mind she was supposed to be in central Croydon.
Surely there's another reason. My reason is because SH knew travellers. But that's been poo-pooed.
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Yes. I mentioned that in a previous post. I said he seemed quite irritated when he was recounting the phone-charging episode. Tia wouldn't leave the phone alone because she was using it, and Hazell got quite annoyed. It made me think just how annoyed did he get?
I agree with you.I think the family were aware of what had happened.I think the drive to Merton on Friday evening was to sort the story out,I would not be surprised if DS was also there.
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Sorry, missed your post. Just caught those items after watching the video (more closely this time) again.
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