US - Shots fired at Donald Trump rally in Pennsylvania as former president is seen with blood across his face, 13 July 2024

[GRT]

This story from CNN doesn't make the SS look like the elite force it's supposed to be.

Witness saw gunman moving "from roof to roof" before shooting​

From CNN’s Paradise Afshar
A witness claims he told officers that he saw a gunman moving “from roof to roof,” moments before an assassination attempt on former President Donald Trump at a Pennsylvania rally on Saturday.

Ben Macer was along a fence line when he saw “the guy move from roof to roof. (I) told an officer (the alleged shooter) was on the roof,” according to CNN affiliate KDKA.

 

[Seattle1]

It was rank incompetence. 130 yards with an AR - I was doing better than that at 200 yards with a .44 revolver the other week!

Looking at PA gun laws, no waiting period and no ban on ARs, so easy peasy-- guess he didn't get enough practice. However, I think TC may have been in violation of carrying/transporting the gun to the rally since he was not yet age 21. Which begs the question, I wonder how he got to the rally? Bethel Park to Butler is about 45 miles...

https://www.findlaw.com/state/pennsylvania-law/pennsylvania-gun-control-laws.html

 

[Marantz4250b]

Looking at PA gun laws, no waiting period and no ban on ARs, so easy peasy-- guess he didn't get enough practice. However, I think TC may have been in violation of carrying/transporting the gun to the rally since he was not yet age 21. Which begs the question, I wonder how he got to the rally? Bethel Park to Butler is about 45 miles...

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https://www.findlaw.com/state/pennsylvania-law/pennsylvania-gun-control-laws.html

Drove there, one would presume?

 

[indicolite22]

It seems crazy that there is actual photos and videos of him before the shooting taken by rally goers, yet the secret service didn't spot him? How did THAT happen. JMO.

Perhaps they did, but didn't see a weapon? The roof he was on had an incline.

 

[abstr]

I'm stuck on the DNA. If no ID and the father was still trying to figure out "what the hell" was going on, and waiting to speak to Law Enforcement, how did DNA biometrics ID this 20 year old?

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/election-biden-trump-07-13-24/index.html

Biometrics are things such as face recognition

 

[Boots38]

^ Trump being one of them. Violence begets violence. No excuse for the attempt on his life but you reap what you sow.

So are you saying that the victim in this shooting deserved to be shot?

 

[imstilla.grandma]

His father, Matthew Crooks, 53, told CNN he was trying to figure out 'what the hell is going on' but would 'wait until I talk to law enforcement' before speaking.

State voter records show Crooks was a registered Republican. According to US media, when he was aged 17 he donated $15 to the liberal ActBlue political action committee on January 20, 2021 - Biden's Inauguration Day.

Trump gunman is 20-year-old registered Republican who donated to Biden

Thomas Matthew Crooks was shot dead by a US Secret Service sniper after he opened fire on the former President during a rally in Pennsylvania.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Crooks was a registered Republican, the Associated Press reported. The election in November would have been the first time he had been old enough to vote in a presidential race.

But in 2021, Crooks, then 17, made a $15 donation to a political action committee that raises funds for left-leaning and Democratic politicians, the news agency reported, according to a Federal Election Commission filing

Trump rally shooting live: Trump shooter is 20-year-old Republican, says FBI

A 20-year-old registered Republican has been identified by the FBI as the gunman believed to have attempted to assassinate Donald Trump.

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[SouthAussie]

Biometrics are things such as face recognition

And Pennsylvania uses facial recognition in evaluating its drivers licenses.
Probably not too hard to tap into that - via the Pennsylvania State Police, who have access and use the system - and quickly get an ID on this guy.


To mitigate the risk of fraud, including identity theft, PennDOT utilizes state-of-the-art facial recognition technology to validate the individual's photograph does not match another photograph in PennDOT's database under a different name(s).

Facial recognition is utilized by PennDOT and the Pennsylvania State Police (PSP). PennDOT utilizes it to mitigate the risk of license fraud/identity theft. PSP utilizes facial recognition for criminal investigative purposes.

PennDOT Driver and Vehicle Services

 

[Moonstrawbs]

Perhaps they did, but didn't see a weapon? The roof he was on had an incline.

Good point. But again if rally goers saw enough to then take photos and videos, surely it could be visible for secret service too? I'd imagine they would have been stationed at multiple places and therefore have different angles. JMO.

 

[Marantz4250b]

Good point. But again if rally goers saw enough to then take photos and videos, surely it could be visible for secret service too? I'd imagine they would have been stationed at multiple places and therefore have different angles. JMO.

Inconceivable that they didn't see it if people in the crowd did. The optics on their rifles could have identified one if he were on the moon!

 

[JennieM]

Secret Service under scrutiny as Oversight Committee summons director

The Oversight Committee - the main investigative board of the US House of Representatives - has summoned US Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle to testify at a hearing on 22 July.
"Americans demand answers about the assassination attempt of President Trump," the panel said in a statement on social media.
At a news conference earlier, FBI special agent Kevin Rojek said “it is surprising” that the gunman was able to open fire on the stage before the Secret Service killed him.
But when asked if there was a failure of security, he said they were "not gonna make that assessment" with an active investigation.
The Secret Service was not at the news conference.

Donald Trump rally shooting: Donald Trump calls on Americans to 'stand united' after assassination attempt

The Secret Service, which protects the former president, is facing questions after the shooting at Saturday's rally.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

Accounts from people who know the shooter's family make it seem this could lean in the mental health direction.

Link to MSM news pls

 

[IceIce9]

Perhaps they did, but didn't see a weapon? The roof he was on had an incline.

Still wouldn’t it get their attention to see someone on a roof?

 

[PawneeDew]

So are you saying that the victim in this shooting deserved to be shot?

I think it's more like what you focus on is what you attract to you, if that makes sense? The words you use, the thoughts you think....Law of attraction, maybe...

 

[IceIce9]

When a president or former president has come to our city in the past, members of Secret Service have stationed themselves on each of the rooftops.

Honestly I can see why some people are thinking conspiracy on this incident.

 

[DS2021]

^ Trump being one of them. Violence begets violence. No excuse for the attempt on his life but you reap what you sow.

I just really hope this is an eye opener for people on both sides of the aisle

 

[Lilibet]

This is all very disturbing and I fear it will beget more violence. I hope Trump makes a full recovery. I’m sure it was very frightening, hence his angrily telling the audience to “fight.” I hope he will deescalate in future comments. Words have power, as @Tricia so often says. Both sides speaking calmly can go a long way toward promoting peace and heading off violence. But of course there are always those who will choose violence.

I remember when Bobby Kennedy was gunned down after winning the California primary in 1968. That had been a volatile campaign with Lyndon Johnson deciding not to run, Hubert Humphrey stepping in, peace candidate Eugene Mc Carthy running, and on the day Martin Luther King was assasinated, Bobby Kennedy said this:

“What we need in the United States is not division; what we need in the United States is not hatred; what we need in the United States is not violence and lawlessness, but is love, and wisdom, and compassion toward one another, and a feeling of justice toward those who still suffer within our country, whether they be white or whether they be black. ... let us dedicate ourselves to what the Greeks wrote so many years ago: to tame the savageness of man and make gentle the life of this world. Let us dedicate ourselves to that, and say a prayer for our country and for our people.”[30]

Assassination of Robert F. Kennedy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Not long before Bobby Kennedy was killed he gave a speech at U.C. Davis near Sacramento, the state capitol. My husband was a local newspaper photographer and had the opportunity to take photos from close vantage points, so Kennedy’s murder hit us hard. We were in our early 20’s and it seemed that the world was going mad. Now, as we edge toward 80, it’s going mad again. Bobby Kennedy’s words are still as true now as they were then.

JMO

 

[Marantz4250b]

Still wouldn’t it get their attention to see someone on a roof?

BBC Verify: How close was the gunman to Trump?

Joe Inwood explains where the gunman was when he attempted to assassinate former President Trump.

www.bbc.co.uk

This video at about 1:43 clearly shows the counter sniper watching him. He would categorically have been able to see a rifle!

Why didn't he shoot him?

 

[IceIce9]

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I think so, too. Especially given that we've seen photos of the shooter on the roof getting ready to shoot, and we know police sharpshooters on another roof killed him after he fired.

That means police or SS should have spotted and taken him out before he could fire.

It is hard to believe the elite Secret Service could be so incompetent.

No wonder so many are thinking conspiracy.

 

[IceIce9]

So why weren't the secret service positioned on that roof, this is from a brit?

Yes! Because when a president or former president has come to the city where I live Secret Service members are positioned on each rooftop.