US - Shots fired at Donald Trump rally in Pennsylvania as former president is seen with blood across his face, 13 July 2024

[MassGuy]

That is interesting about the absence of MH issues. I was waiting for quotable info on that because I have seen claims to the contrary. Is it possible that he had issues but was not seeing a professional about it?

I’m sure he did. Outside of religiously motivated terror, mentally healthy people don’t commit what was effectively a murder/suicide.

 

[Inthedetails]

Thank you had not seen this and behavioural care counsellors too

I should have included the link in my post and am grateful your comment prompted me to toss it in the thread. I think it's important background info, fwiw.

jmo

 

[Knox]

"Public records show he shared a home with parents who were licensed behavioral care counselors."

Trump rally shooting: what we know about the suspected gunman

The 20-year-old from Bethel Park, Pennsylvania, was a registered Republican who donated to a progressive PAC

www.theguardian.com

A young man who described himself as a former schoolmate of Crooks at Bethel Park high school spoke with reporters Sunday recalled how his ex-companion “was bullied almost every day” by those around him.

The man told NBC News and other outlets that Crooks’ penchant for wearing “hunting” and “military” clothes as well as eating alone at lunch drew derision from his peers, who considered him a “loner” and an “outcast”.

“You know how kids are these days – they’re going to see someone like that and they’re going to target him because they think it’s funny or whatever,” the man said to journalists.

While the man made clear he wasn’t saying any of those experiences fueled Saturday’s assassination attempt, he added: “It’s honestly kind of sad … He was bullied so much.”

Trump rally shooting: what we know about the suspected gunman

The 20-year-old from Bethel Park, Pennsylvania, was a registered Republican who donated to a progressive PAC

www.theguardian.com

 

[acutename]

I like how transparent they are being. We typically get leaks at this stage, but nothing from investigators themselves.

That phone is going to tell a story.

except if he is really a "loner," maybe he did not share any of his ideas with anyone. I do wonder if he practiced climbing up on this or some similar building and if the access was easy.

 

[Tricia]

My Friends,
I don't like taking my blood pressure medicine however, due to the fact that some members have been making blatant political posts about this situation has caused me to double my medication today.
WE DO NOT ALLOW POLITICAL DISCUSSIONS. This is about the horrific crime of an attempted assassination of a presidential candidate. Please keep on topic.
The on-topic discussion includes what is uncovered about the shooter. His information is relevant.
Thank you very much. My blood pressure thanks you as well.
Tricia

 

[Sundog]

Yes! Because when a president or former president has come to the city where I live Secret Service members are positioned on each rooftop.

Same experiece. Working at a university, we get a lot of politicians campaigning for the presidency and/or vice presidency. The Secret Service detail always has SS positioned on the rooftops of all buildings on campus in the proximity of the rally area. When Biden came to our university when he was first running for the vice presidency, he wanted the rally to take place outside in the early evening. At dusk, as the sun went down, you could see the silhouettes of all the SS agents positioned on the top of the buildings.

 

[Marie A]

As an editor, I can say that while the messages are nice, the whole thing is pretty awkwardly written. Sounds like it was written by AI, or that it was translated to English.

I’d think she’d have better writers, but maybe she doesn’t care so much about her statements sounding perfect.

I actually thought this made her message sound more authentic.
Melania is Slovenian by birth and English could well be her fourth or fifth language.
I don’t think it sounds like AI at all but like a highly eloquent person who is writing in her non-native language without editors picking her words apart.
I found it charming that Melania’s words could well be her very own with little (if any) correction for minor grammatical issues.
It sounds like these were her own heartfelt words.

Just imho

 

[MassGuy]

except if he is really a "loner," maybe he did not share any of his ideas with anyone. I do wonder if he practiced climbing up on this or some similar building and if the access was easy.

Even if he didn’t share his ideas, his search history will help investigators get into his head. I think it’ll show an element of planning, and hopefully give some idea as to what his motive was.

 

[OddOneOut]

“But why did that sniper ignore Crooks till then? One plausible explanation is that the Secret Service (which is entirely separate from the FBI) assumed the assassin was a police sniper, part of their security team.”

At least this explains it.

I'm not buying this at all. The police snipers on the roof wore all black with police in white across their uniforms. There are pictures of them all over this thread. Also, local upper-level police are often trained by the FBI. I know those in my city have FBI training and many have military training. I suspect their "snipers" were well trained and would not have dressed like this.

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1812573696118374536

 

[Sundog]

As an editor, I can say that while the messages are nice, the whole thing is pretty awk written. Sounds like it was written by AI, or that it was translated to English.

I’d think she’d have better writers, but maybe she doesn’t care so much about her statements sounding perfect.

English is a second (or third or fourth) language for Melania. Regardless of the grammer, her message is insightful and powerful. She wouldn't use AI, she is very hands on with her statements and expressions which are rare but well thought out. If a speechwriter helped her with the speech, Melania would have worked very closely with her and made sure that her message was stated accurately and with Melania's own style and tone.

 

[MassGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1812573696118374536

"I'll show you!" Of course he failed at that too.

 

[acutename]

The bit of research I did seems to show this to be a mainstream media source from Ireland; however, since I am not familiar with this publication, I want to caution you that if you post an article, please make sure it is not some wacky conspiracy story.

This is the article that says MC's parents are behavioral health specialists.

Family of Thomas Matthew Crooks struggles to make sense of Trump shooting

EXCLUSIVE: “I don’t know what to say,” Mark Crooks, the would-be assassin’s uncle, told The Independent

www.independent.co.uk

we all wonder what was going on with MC but maybe he was hiding it well. IMO

 

[Eli9]

The initial weak spot to investigate, imo, is how the perimeter was determined and then how each agency was assigned to monitor what area.

I know I'm 100% an unqualified armchair commentator, but that building seems like it should have been IN the perimeter.

jmo

Especially since it was only 150 yards away!

 

[Cedars]

"I'll show you!" Of course he failed at that too.

Possibly. The normal thing, if you initially fail a test, is to practice more and try again. Not bottle it up as a grudge and then much later, take it out on everyone else. IMO, 'grievance collectors' may be starting younger and younger.

JMO

 

[Sundog]

We flew across the country with young kids only a month after 9-11. Hollywood big shots playing with guns were too afraid to fly.

The point of terrorists is to terrify and paralyze a country into hiding, scared of their own shadows.

Disney was great! No waiting in lines. Air safety was fantastic.

Stand up to evil.

"Stand up to evil." I believe that is what President Trump was conveying to the tens of thousands of supporters at his rally, to fight on, and not let evil stop them from continuing their campaign going forward.

 

[browneyes]

Secret Service briefing coming up on MSNBC.

 

[vls12345]

What we know about the 20-year-old man who tried to assassinate Donald Trump

The 20-year-old nursing-home employee from suburban Pittsburgh who tried to assassinate former President Donald Trump was a registered Republican who packed explosives in the vehicle he drove to the campaign rally an hour from his home.

apnews.com

"The 20-year-old nursing-home employee from suburban Pittsburgh who tried to assassinate former President Donald Trump was a registered Republican who packed explosives in the vehicle he drove to the campaign rally an hour from his home."

and

"A blockade had been set up Sunday preventing traffic near Crooks’ house, which is in an enclave of modest brick houses in the hills outside blue-collar Pittsburgh and about an hour’s drive from the site of the Trump rally. Police cars were stationed at an intersection near the house and officers were seen walking through the neighborhood.

Bomb-making materials were found inside Crooks’ vehicle near the Trump rally and at his home, according to two officials who were not authorized to speak publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity. A white Allegheny County Police truck identified as bomb squad pulled up to the home late Sunday morning."

 

[margarita25]

Secret Service briefing coming up on MSNBC.

 

[BenjaminJAndersonAlly]

Sometimes copy cat acts tick up after something big happens. JMO

Info on “Copycat Crime”/ the “Copycat Effect”/“Copycat Killers” … For anyone who is interested:

The Psychology of "Copycat Killers"

People often discuss copycat killers after a mass shooting or serial murder. But if the media inspires murder, why aren't true crime fans more violent?

www.psychologytoday.com

Copycat Crime Phenomenon (From Justice and the Media, P 199-211, 1984, Ray Surette, ed. - See NCJ-95768) | Office of Justice Programs

ojp.gov

Copycat Crime

"Copycat Crime" published on by Oxford University Press.

oxfordre.com

https://www.rienner.com/uploads/623e31e77784b.pdf

Copycat crime - Wikipedia

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