GUILTY UT - Kimberly Hain, 33, murdered in her West Valley home, 22 May 2009

[panthera]

I also found both of their facebooks. While facebook is informative, I prefer to not link to it. Facebook just clouds the issue. If you have a facebook account you understand what I mean. I have numerous "friends" on facebook that I have met through someone else on facebook. I know them by sight, or by name, but I wouldn't consider them friends, or a person who could get into my house, or past my yapping dog.

It is a good thought; however, if facebook friendship was the primary criteria, the police would get lost in the multiple connections.

I think it is wiser that they stick a little closer to home: friends, family, and school mates.

I agree. I am also curious about who she was in class with at school since the year had just ended. :waitasec:

 

[SuziQ]

I also found both of their facebooks. While facebook is informative, I prefer to not link to it. Facebook just clouds the issue. If you have a facebook account you understand what I mean. I have numerous "friends" on facebook that I have met through someone else on facebook. I know them by sight, or by name, but I wouldn't consider them friends, or a person who could get into my house, or past my yapping dog.

It is a good thought; however, if facebook friendship was the primary criteria, the police would get lost in the multiple connections.

I think it is wiser that they stick a little closer to home: friends, family, school mates, and love interests.

Oh I don't plan on digging through all the friends. She doesn't have a ton of them and many appear to be family, etc. I get the impression she is not one of those that gathers as many friends as she can. And I just merely put it up there for future reference....in case a name comes up...KWIM?

In the past, we've actually learned alot through facebook and myspace. It's a valuable tool that even LE uses.

 

[joyce D]

Lets just pray its not the hubby,those kids need a parent

 

[flourish]

Is anyone here familiar with the church of LDS and their policies concerning divorce? Even if I did belong to a church which would essentially outlaw me if I divorced my husband/wife, I would still see that as the one and only alternative - not murder!

Weird, according to Google, my dad lives FOUR minutes away from these people! Creepy!

As for the LDS, I have extensive experience there, but not necessarily extensive knowledge about the church. I know there are two kinds of marriage and divorce. There's earthly, justice-of-the-peace, death-do-we-part marriage, and then there's temple marriage, which is "for time and all eternity," meaning you're still married to them after one of you dies (and oh there is so much more story involved in that, but that's for another time). The ideal is to get legal and temple married both at the same time, but there are cases where a couple will get legally married and then a year later get temple married, or "sealed," in LDS lingo.

Thus, there are two kinds of divorces. There's legal divorce, which is the same thing as it is in the non LDS-world. But, if you've been temple married, and you want to make dang sure the other person won't be hanging around you in the afterlife, OR if you want to get temple married to someone else, you have to get a temple divorce. These are hard to get, I hear, and a Big Deal. But, they do get granted. My father's second wife got a temple divorce because her first husband was a...piece of fecal matter...and beat her up.

Either kind of divorce doesn't mean an automatic excommunication, though. There's a whole...process and if someone is appropriately repentant and jumps through all the presented hoops, then you're cool.

Killing your wife on purpose, however, is pretty much grounds for immediate excommunication. And an automatic temple divorce, too, I would assume, but you'd have to ask the big guy on that one :angel:



I'm very interested to see how the TOD and more info. comes out here on this one. Yeah, the Hacking case definitely comes to mind.

 

[wolfman]

Oh I don't plan on digging through all the friends. She doesn't have a ton of them and many appear to be family, etc. I get the impression she is not one of those that gathers as many friends as she can. And I just merely put it up there for future reference....in case a name comes up...KWIM?

In the past, we've actually learned alot through facebook and myspace. It's a valuable tool that even LE uses.

LE learned to use it after they realized that Shawn Hornbeck had been on myspace for 2 years trying to give them clues.

I am sure that part of what was taken out of the house was any computers, PDAs, and cell phones. That will be more telling than a facebook account.

Facebook is pretty public. You actually have to give your real name to join.

 

[panthera]

I am just going to step outside of my comfort zone and state this: could it be a lover scorned? Or a man obsessed with her but denied her attention?

I was thinking that as a possibility also, such as someone she attended school with, maybe?

 

[wolfman]

Weird, according to Google, my dad lives FOUR minutes away from these people! Creepy!

As for the LDS, I have extensive experience there, but not necessarily extensive knowledge about the church. I know there are two kinds of marriage and divorce. There's earthly, justice-of-the-peace, death-do-we-part marriage, and then there's temple marriage, which is "for time and all eternity," meaning you're still married to them after one of you dies (and oh there is so much more story involved in that, but that's for another time). The ideal is to get legal and temple married both at the same time, but there are cases where a couple will get legally married and then a year later get temple married, or "sealed," in LDS lingo.

Thus, there are two kinds of divorces. There's legal divorce, which is the same thing as it is in the non LDS-world. But, if you've been temple married, and you want to make dang sure the other person won't be hanging around you in the afterlife, OR if you want to get temple married to someone else, you have to get a temple divorce. These are hard to get, I hear, and a Big Deal. But, they do get granted. My father's second wife got a temple divorce because her first husband was a...piece of fecal matter...and beat her up.

Either kind of divorce doesn't mean an automatic excommunication, though. There's a whole...process and if someone is appropriately repentant and jumps through all the presented hoops, then you're cool.

Killing your wife on purpose, however, is pretty much grounds for immediate excommunication. And an automatic temple divorce, too, I would assume, but you'd have to ask the big guy on that one :angel:



I'm very interested to see how the TOD and more info. comes out here on this one. Yeah, the Hacking case definitely comes to mind.

Wow

So you assume that everyone from Utah is a Mormon? Nobody has ever linked this family to the Mormon Church. In Salt Lake County, only 30-40% of the population is Mormon. Chances are, since the husband has had 2 DUIs he isn't a Mormon.

Also, since it has no bearing on this case, I won't comment on your interesting view of Mormon marriage for eternity. However, your interpretation of Mormon divorces is terribly entertaining.

And I hate to say this but your father lives in West Valley City? That is humorous. Most of us in Salt Lake consider WVC as the lower rent district, or where people start their lives, not finish them.

 

[SuziQ]

Wow

So you assume that everyone from Utah is a Mormon? Nobody has ever linked this family to the Mormon Church. In Salt Lake County, only 30-40% of the population is Mormon. Chances are, since the husband has had 2 DUIs he isn't a Mormon.

Also, since it has no bearing on this case, I won't comment on your interesting view of Mormon marriage for eternity. However, your interpretation of Mormon divorces is terribly entertaining.

And I hate to say this but your father lives in West Valley City? That is humorous. Most of us in Salt Lake consider WVC as the lower rent district, or where people start their lives, not finish them.

I don't think she was assuming that everyone here is LDS. She was merely answering another posters questions about LDS church views on divorce. And you might want to be careful about dissing people about where they live.

 

[wolfman]

I don't think she was assuming that everyone here is LDS. She was merely answering another posters questions about LDS church views on divorce. And you might want to be careful about dissing people about where they live.

She didn't do a very good job of explaining divorce. Plus she did it in a way that was sarcastic towards Mormons. And she wasn't just explaining, she was taking a snipe towards Mormons. I bit back. Sorry, but I took exception.

I wasn't dissing her, I just found it humerous.

If you live in Salt Lake Valley you know how it is laid out in terms of classes. There has always been a division between the West and the East side of town. The East side is the upper crust, and the West side the working class.

As the city has grown, that has changed. While the East side still throughout the valley is considered the "most desirable", the Southwest end has also gained that same reputation.

WVC, Magna, Kearns, and Rose Park, the northwest parts of the valley are still considered to be Blue Collar, lower and working class areas. The area where the Hains live (as well as Flourish's dad) are considered starter homes.

People that live in that area hope that someday that can move up and/or further South in the valley. That is the way the valley works.

 

[txsvicki]

Some are suspecting a woman, but didn't one of the kids say that a bad man had hurt their mother? It could even be the crazy husband of a friend who blamed her for a breakup.

 

[TGIRecovered]

Gee, wolfman! I was enjoying your contribution to the discussion, until you decided to try to talk down to flourish because you have a low opinion of the area in which her father resides. I hope you did not intend to sound as snotty as your post reads....so not cool!

Susan

 

[wolfman]

Breaking News!!! KUTV is reporting that they have made an arrest!!

 

[wolfman]

Gee, wolfman! I was enjoying your contribution to the discussion, until you decided to try to talk down to flourish because you have a low opinion of the area in which her father resides. I hope you did not intend to sound as snotty as your post reads....so not cool!

Susan

Lol......I grew up in Granger/Hunter which was later incorporated into West Valley City. I know the area well.

 

[SuziQ]

KSL reported about the brother on the website, but no arrest.

 

[SuziQ]

Dang, nothing online yet.

Wofman, did they give a hint who was arrested?

 

[wolfman]

Dang, nothing online yet.

Wofman, did they give a hint who was arrested?

Not a clue, they just said a press conferance would be forthcoming.

I have split the screen on my TV so that I am getting KUTV, KSL, KTVX, all at the same time to see if they have anything.

 

[SuziQ]

She didn't do a very good job of explaining divorce. Plus she did it in a way that was sarcastic towards Mormons. And she wasn't just explaining, she was taking a snipe towards Mormons. I bit back. Sorry, but I took exception.

I wasn't dissing her, I just found it humerous.

If you live in Salt Lake Valley you know how it is laid out in terms of classes. There has always been a division between the West and the East side of town. The East side is the upper crust, and the West side the working class.

As the city has grown, that has changed. While the East side still throughout the valley is considered the "most desirable", the Southwest end has also gained that same reputation.

WVC, Magna, Kearns, and Rose Park, the northwest parts of the valley are still considered to be Blue Collar, lower and working class areas. The area where the Hains live (as well as Flourish's dad) are considered starter homes.

People that live in that area hope that someday that can move up and/or further South in the valley. That is the way the valley works.

Yeah I know how the valley works. Most of the people I know that live on the west side stay on the west side. I see alot of comments on KSL and such and people really take unfair digs at people on the west side. I just don't want to see that here.

 

[SuziQ]

Not a clue, they just said a press conferance would be forthcoming.

Off to look for live links!

 

[TGIRecovered]

Lol......I grew up in Granger/Hunter which was later incorporated into West Valley City. I know the area well.

You are missing the point, wolfman. It doesn't matter if the poster's father lives in an alley or a mansion. You attempted to sound superior by describing the area in which her father lives in a derogatory manner. You use your disagreement with her marraige description as an excuse.

That doesn't fly here at W.S. If you have an opinion that differs from that of another poster, post that opinion, cut it out with the put-downs.

Maybe this link will help :
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2959057#post2959057"]Rules Etiquette & Information - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]


Susan

 

[Lovejac]

Wow

So you assume that everyone from Utah is a Mormon? Nobody has ever linked this family to the Mormon Church. In Salt Lake County, only 30-40% of the population is Mormon. Chances are, since the husband has had 2 DUIs he isn't a Mormon.

Also, since it has no bearing on this case, I won't comment on your interesting view of Mormon marriage for eternity. However, your interpretation of Mormon divorces is terribly entertaining.

And I hate to say this but your father lives in West Valley City? That is humorous. Most of us in Salt Lake consider WVC as the lower rent district, or where people start their lives, not finish them.

Whoa! Attack the post, not the poster.

Flourish was answering a question asked by Mia. Where her father lives has nothing to do with this case.