UT - Kylen Schulte, 24, & Crystal Beck, 38, newlywed couple found dead, Grand County, 18 Aug 2021

[Yuletide]

After the way these women were murdered, anyone that knew about their potential drug use or drug debt would be keeping their mouths zipped for self preservation. My opinion only

 

[Cryptic]

After the way these women were murdered, anyone that knew about their potential drug use or drug debt would be keeping their mouths zipped for self preservation. My opinion only

Though I see your point, and I do think that the over kill violence would intimidate people from reporting a drug motive murder.

At the same time, I think police knowledge of the local drug scene, anonymous tips and what terrorist investigators call "chatter" would allow the police to focus in on a local suspect.

The anonymous tips would not need to be detailed. Rather, they could be something to the effect of: "I heard she owed "D" money- he is bad news". The police then know that D is a small time dealer and go from there.

Likewise, chatter would not need to be incriminating to "D" directly. Rather, it could just be talk among other people in the drug scene that "D" is psycho", "took care of business", "went too far", "never f-over D" etc.

In the end, I think that if this crime was committed due to the proverbial $500.00 drug debt, the police would of had a local person(s) of interest pretty fast.

 

[Curious_in_NC]

For better or worse, drug dealing is a business and someone living in a National Forest and working at McDonalds wouldn't seem like a very good credit risk. I suspect most drug dealers would demand cash up front rather than allow such a customer's debt to grow. The only exception I can think of, is if one or both victims were a sort of mid-level dealer themselves, and thereby gaining some level of credit. There is no evidence to support that scenario AFAIK. If the set of scales with pot residue discovered with the search warrant was designed for kg rather than g amounts that might change my mind somewhat. MOO

 

[Seattle1]

For better or worse, drug dealing is a business and someone living in a National Forest and working at McDonalds wouldn't seem like a very good credit risk. I suspect most drug dealers would demand cash up front rather than allow such a customer's debt to grow. The only exception I can think of, is if one or both victims were a sort of mid-level dealer themselves, and thereby gaining some level of credit. There is no evidence to support that scenario AFAIK. If the set of scales with pot residue discovered with the search warrant was designed for kg rather than g amounts that might change my mind somewhat. MOO

Who said anything about a "pair of scales?" I believe I read there was one scale located in their abandoned van parked at McDonald's. With all the allegations that the women were killed over drugs/drug debt -- do they have records of arrest for large drug possession in Utah or elsewhere?

 

[Curious_in_NC]

Who said anything about a "pair of scales?"

rsbm
Sorry, never mean to imply there was a a "pair", just the one instrument from the van. A "set of scales" is old school parlance for way back before electronic scales were common, when scales used a counterbalance, and they were called a set. Undoubtedly the one from the van was electronic.

 

[DeDee]

@swedeheart wrote Post 676:
The Justice Files: In search of a gun | ABC4 Utah

Jensen learned of a police report in Cortez, Colorado. That’s where a Moab man report his 9mm along with two other weapons were stolen from his camper in late June.

“What he reported was that a Turkish 9mm was stolen and what he’s talking about is a custom 9mm,” Jensen said. “And this is what a Turkish 9mm looks like.”

That kind of fits into place with my feelings about this tragic case. I have leaned towards this being a transient/thief/predator that happened upon two women, and took it as an opportunity.

If the killer stole those guns from a camper, that would tell us that he sometimes lurked around camping areas, looking for places to burglarise. He may have been driving around doing that when he stumbled upon two women, and he decided he could overtake them because it was a remote camp site and he could blindside them. JMO

Did the thief of the 9mm weapon in late June in Cortez, CO take the weapon to Utah in August and just happen to kill the two ladies with it which just happens to be where the original owner of the 9mm lived, in Moab? That's a lot of coincidences to me.

But at the campsite, according to a search warrant, authorities found four bullet casings belonging to a 9 mm gun.

 

[Yuletide]

Though I see your point, and I do think that the over kill violence would intimidate people from reporting a drug motive murder.

At the same time, I think police knowledge of the local drug scene, anonymous tips and what terrorist investigators call "chatter" would allow the police to focus in on a local suspect.

The anonymous tips would not need to be detailed. Rather, they could be something to the effect of: "I heard she owed "D" money- he is bad news". The police then know that D is a small time dealer and go from there.

Likewise, chatter would not need to be incriminating to "D" directly. Rather, it could just be talk among other people in the drug scene that "D" is psycho", "took care of business", "went too far", "never f-over D" etc.

In the end, I think that if this crime was committed due to the proverbial $500.00 drug debt, the police would of had a local person(s) of interest pretty fast.

I don’t believe these police are used to “chatter” etc. My opinion. There is a reason, in my opinion, that police led the public to believe that the murder victims went from the bar to their “camp”. They are protecting the couple that the murdered people spent the next four hours with. My opinion only

 

[Chelly]

@swedeheart wrote Post 676:
The Justice Files: In search of a gun | ABC4 Utah

Jensen learned of a police report in Cortez, Colorado. That’s where a Moab man report his 9mm along with two other weapons were stolen from his camper in late June.

“What he reported was that a Turkish 9mm was stolen and what he’s talking about is a custom 9mm,” Jensen said. “And this is what a Turkish 9mm looks like.”



Did the thief of the 9mm weapon in late June in Cortez, CO take the weapon to Utah in August and just happen to kill the two ladies with it which just happens to be where the original owner of the 9mm lived, in Moab? That's a lot of coincidences to me.

AFAIK, the only reports about a stolen Turkish 9mm have come from Kylen Schulte's father and Jensen, the Schulte's investigator. Did LE release any information about a reported stolen Turkish 9mm?

 

[DeDee]

AFAIK, the only reports about a stolen Turkish 9mm have come from Kylen Schulte's father and Jensen, the Schulte's investigator. Did LE release any information about a reported stolen Turkish 9mm?

It is highly likely that you know far more about this particular case than I do, Chelly.

I cannot answer your question, at this time. I had told myself to stay away from this thread and disobeyed my own orders. I have a suspect(s) and until LEO names someone as POI(s) then I should follow my good sense and steer clear.

 

[Chelly]

LE

It is highly likely that you know far more about this particular case than I do, Chelly.

I cannot answer your question, at this time. I had told myself to stay away from this thread and disobeyed my own orders. I have a suspect(s) and until LEO names someone as POI(s) then I should follow my good sense and steer clear.

Thanks for your candid response @DeDee. Agree, it is disturbing to follow this thread when we have our own suspicions. I am confident LE, who know much more than all of us, are following the evidence to a conclusion. Mostly a silent follower myself these days.

 

[Seattle1]

AFAIK, the only reports about a stolen Turkish 9mm have come from Kylen Schulte's father and Jensen, the Schulte's investigator. Did LE release any information about a reported stolen Turkish 9mm?

Huh? I saw the report with a copy of the alleged stolen weapon report on 12/6/21 ABC4 Justice Report so I don't think the Cortez information is false.

Mr. Schulte also provides that LE is keeping any info from the murder investigation "locked down" and not sharing it with him. I believe this implies Utah LE not sharing the info with the public either -- and not singling out Schulte.

I don't follow social media so the only info I'm privy to is what's in MSM.

No idea about what others are speculating and/or who is allegedly being protected.

The Justice Files: In search of a gun | ABC4 Utah

 

[Chelly]

LE

It is highly likely that you know far more about this particular case than I do, Chelly.

I cannot answer your question, at this time. I had told myself to stay away from this thread and disobeyed my own orders. I have a suspect(s) and until LEO names someone as POI(s) then I should follow my good sense and steer clear.

Thanks for your candid response @DeDee. Yes, it is disturbing to follow this thread when we have suspicions. I am confident

 

[Chelly]

Huh? I saw the report with a copy of the alleged stolen weapon report on 12/6/21 ABC4 Justice Report so I don't think the Cortez information is false.

Mr. Schulte also provides that LE is keeping any info from the murder investigation "locked down" and not sharing it with him. I believe this implies Utah LE not sharing the info with the public either -- and not singling out Schulte.

I don't follow social media so the only info I'm privy to is what's in MSM.

No idea about what others are speculating and/or who is allegedly being protected.

The Justice Files: In search of a gun | ABC4 Utah

@Seattle1 In the ABC4 Utah link you provided... where is the copy of Cortez' stolen gun report that you saw? I can't find it. ABC4 article states that the the PI hired by Shulte "learned of a stolen gun report".

 

[Seattle1]

@Seattle1 In the ABC4 Utah link you provided... where is the copy of Cortez' stolen gun report that you saw? I can't find it. ABC4 article states that the the PI hired by Shulte "learned of a stolen gun report".

It's seen in the 3 min video portion of the news and referenced by the reporter Marcos Ortiz at about the 1:30 min mark.

Has anybody asked Marcos Ortiz for a copy or checked Cortez Colorado police records?

Report filed 6/27/21 -- name appears redacted.

 

[Seattle1]

Reporter Marcos Ortiz has tweeted these reports as seen on ABC/4


[URL='https://twitter.com/tv_mortiz']Marcos Ortiz@tv_mortiz[/URL]
The Justice Files: Inner voice leads her to Kylen and Crystal Pt. 2 |
@abc4utah
https://bit.ly/3FCL6rM #kylenschulte #crystalturner
@Justice4KyCry
#Utahcrime #Moab #murder



abc4.com
The Justice Files: Inner voice leads her to Kylen and Crystal Pt. 2
SALT LAKE CITY (ABC4 Utah) – Her inner voice took Cindy Sue Hunter south of Moab. She was searching for her friends Kylen Schulte and Crystal Turner. The couple had been missing for about fou…

7:45 PM · Nov 24, 2021·Bitly

11/18/21 The Justice Files: Left in the dark | ABC4 Utah

11/22/21 The Justice Files: Inner voice leads her to Kylen & Crystal | ABC4 Utah

11/24/21 The Justice Files: Inner voice leads her to Kylen and Crystal Pt. 2 | ABC4 Utah

12/6/21 The Justice Files: In search of a gun | ABC4 Utah

 

[Chelly]

It's seen in the 3 min video portion of the news and referenced by the reporter Marcos Ortiz at about the 1:30 min mark.

Has anybody asked Marcos Ortiz for a copy or checked Cortez Colorado police records?

Report filed 6/27/21 -- name appears redacted.

Thanks @Seattle1 . I do appreciate your pointing me in the right direction and confirming my thinking. Looking forward to the day we see some evidence from LE or hopefully a warrant.

 

[Cryptic]

“What he reported was that a Turkish 9mm was stolen and what he’s talking about is a custom 9mm,” Jensen said. “And this is what a Turkish 9mm looks like.”

The source needs to consider if it was a customized Turkish 9mm hand gun? And.... what does a Turkish 9mm pistol look like?

At a glance, Turkish companies make clones of historic Browning, Colt and Beretta designs. They also make a large variety of generic looking "modern handgun" models.

As a result, it might be hard to say what a Turkish 9mm looks like with out more details (was it a Beretta clone, or a Turkish design?).

Likewise, there is a small industry that supports "tricking out" weapons with newer and cooler grips, sights, slides, metal coatings, triggers etc. I would not be surprised if some Turkish manufacturers offer up grade parts for their guns etc.

In either case, an accurate as possible description of the weapon would be great. @evilwise raised the possibility that the murders were committed by a transient who also commits thefts to obtain needed or interesting supplies.

Even small pistols are cumbersome when somebody carries their possessions on their back. That increases the chances of the pistol later being sold. Turkish guns are relatively rare and will probably stand out to pawn shop, gun store, and gun show vendors as being an oddity and thus remembered.

 

[evilwise]

The source needs to consider if it was a customized Turkish 9mm hand gun? And.... what does a Turkish 9mm pistol look like?

At a glance, Turkish companies make clones of historic Browning, Colt and Beretta designs. They also make a large variety of generic looking "modern handgun" models.

As a result, it might be hard to say what a Turkish 9mm looks like with out more details (was it a Beretta clone, or a Turkish design?).

Likewise, there is a small industry that supports "tricking out" weapons with newer and cooler grips, sights, slides, metal coatings, triggers etc. I would not be surprised if some Turkish manufacturers offer up grade parts for their guns etc.

In either case, an accurate as possible description of the weapon would be great. @evilwise raised the possibility that the murders were committed by a transient who also commits thefts to obtain needed or interesting supplies.

Even small pistols are cumbersome when somebody carries their possessions on their back. That increases the chances of the pistol later being sold. Turkish guns are relatively rare and will probably stand out to pawn shop, gun store, and gun show vendors as being an oddity and thus remembered.

The appeal about the "Turkish made 9mm and shotgun" come from a private investigator via Kylen's dad. I have to wonder if law enforcement has some issue with that info since they haven't amplified it using their normal methods which would probably include circulating photos of the same model guns. It could be that they were/are trying to minimize the circulation of that info to keep the perp from just dumping the guns. Any stolen gun is likely to have its serial number on a list so a reputable dealer would know but if it's being passed around within the transient community having the info or the could be beneficial.

The last official law enforcement activity I saw on the case was them getting a tower dump from the area for the days around the crime. It's good to have that on file even if it's not conclusive evidence at this time. Here have been many cases where that info was lost and it could have strengthened the people's cases.

 

[Seattle1]

The appeal about the "Turkish made 9mm and shotgun" come from a private investigator via Kylen's dad. I have to wonder if law enforcement has some issue with that info since they haven't amplified it using their normal methods which would probably include circulating photos of the same model guns. It could be that they were/are trying to minimize the circulation of that info to keep the perp from just dumping the guns. Any stolen gun is likely to have its serial number on a list so a reputable dealer would know but if it's being passed around within the transient community having the info or the could be beneficial.

The last official law enforcement activity I saw on the case was them getting a tower dump from the area for the days around the crime. It's good to have that on file even if it's not conclusive evidence at this time. Here have been many cases where that info was lost and it could have strengthened the people's cases.

Given that 9mm ammunition is very common, I'd like to see the police report filed in Cortez to confirm if the stolen weapon was in fact a Turkish shotgun. I'd hate to see the investigation stalled searching a "Turkish" gun versus any 9MM weapon. MOO

 

[Cryptic]

The appeal about the "Turkish made 9mm and shotgun" come from a private investigator via Kylen's dad. I have to wonder if law enforcement has some issue with that info since they haven't amplified it using their normal methods which would probably include circulating photos of the same model guns.

Good point and well said. As you stated, they might want to keep the information quiet to prevent the perpetrator from dumping the weapon. Or, and perhaps more likely, the police don't feel that the theft and the murders are connected.