Found Deceased UT - MacKenzie "Kenzie" Lueck, 23, Salt Lake City, 17 June 2019 #14 *ARREST*

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kkdj said:
I think she did know him. After all, didn't one of her friends try to warn her against him? So, there was enough history she spoke with someone else of him.
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And if he was warning her about him perhaps there had been some prior type of abuse or questionable abuse or something that made her uncomfortable that she went to a friend about him, who then warned her it was not a good relationship. jmo
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She may have only known him online, though.
Although it's also possible he was someone she was dating. Imo
 
MsBetsy said:
Do we know what the actual address is to the park? Could he have texted her the address to give to the Lyft driver, and she entered it in, without knowing that it was the park?
Although then again, I think her friend said that was a typical meeting place for her. Imo
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I don't remember a statement about it being a meeting place for her, but maybe just haven't seen it. But I think she knew where she was going.
 
alsleuther said:
IMO drugs were his link to the group of beautiful young sorority girls who would have otherwise never given him the time of day. There are only a couple of reasons to meet a guy at 3am in a desolate park and I think drugs is the most likely in this scenario, IMO pills, Xanax etc after the stress of funeral. As to the part about no drug charges, I don’t think he was running a meth lab with huge quantities of illegal drugs, just buying enough “fertilizer” on Venmo from a dude that also worked at dell, to make himself relevant to young girls in town like ML. He had plenty of time to dispose of or hide any drugs before the cops came knocking and honestly even if they did find small amounts of drugs at either his house or the apt where he was arrested, they might not have even bothered with it. They were after big evidence for murder and kidnapping. No use piddling around with small possession charges. I know for a fact that has happened in other criminal situations, that I personally witnessed. I think the biggest question in this whole case is why did she meet him at that time and place. We can speculate but I think LE knew that missing piece early on.
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I don't think we have enough information to know if this is likely or not. That said, I do wonder at the "urgency" of this meeting, something that couldn't wait until she had gone home and had a good night's sleep in her own bed. Seeing him right away must've been important to her. Why? Who knows?
 
JustMe93 said:
Same creepy eyes in all 4. I'd be interested in seeing his modelling pics beside these. And the army pic. Has anyone figured out what mspionage is getting at?
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Not really, except that he may have been involved with something shady on the internet.
Although many were already sleuthing him and suspecting that as soon as we found out his name, before he was arrested.
We just don't know any specifics.
If anyone has found out more, I don't know why it can't be discussed. Imo
 
jillycat said:
I don't remember a statement about it being a meeting place for her, but maybe just haven't seen it. But I think she knew where she was going.
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Yeah, I don't remember if it was the VI, or one of her other friends, but I'm pretty sure someone said that it was a common meeting place for her. Imo
 
sumzero said:
I don't think we have enough information to know if this is likely or not. That said, I do wonder at the "urgency" of this meeting, something that couldn't wait until she had gone home and had a good night's sleep in her own bed. Seeing him right away must've been important to her. Why? Who knows?
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Right, that's the big mystery.
Did he owe her something? Had he promised her something?
Was she supposed to give him something?
Were they just meeting to talk?
Was it a spur of the moment thing?

Apparently they were communicating during the weekend, or at least the day before.
The answer may be in those text messages, or somewhere in SM.
Her friend said she was on SM all weekend, but never answered her text message asking if she was ok. (the one who was interviewed.) Imo
 
MsBetsy said:
Yeah, I don't remember if it was the VI, or one of her other friends, but I'm pretty sure someone said that it was a common meeting place for her. Imo
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We know that he had a connection to that park, as he lived very close to it previously.

That would be a very strange place for Kenzie to have ever been, let alone that place being a common meeting spot for her.

I don’t think this information is accurate.
 
MsBetsy said:
She may have only known him online, though.
Although it's also possible he was someone she was dating. Imo
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Repeating one of my own posts.
It could be that this really was the first time ML had ever met him in person. It’s likely they had some kind of ongoing online relationship and she thought she “knew” him and trusted him. But in real life he turned out to be a monster.

Online relationships can be pretty intense and there are people that view them as very, very real. Look at all the people that have been taken advantage of by “romance scammers”. ML was a sweet, caring, and trusting person and AA convinced her that he was in love with her. She could have romanticized the relationship and let her guard down. He took advantage of her kind soul. :(
 
MassGuy said:
We know that he had a connection to that park, as he lived very close to it previously.

That would be a very strange place for Kenzie to have ever been, let alone that place being a common meeting spot for her.

I don’t think this information is accurate.
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It may not be, but I thought one of the posters here said it. It was long before we knew anything about the suspect.
She said that one or two in the morning would not be considered late for them (her friends) but this was before we knew they met at three.
I wish there was some way to find it.
I haven't seen any of them here for several days. It definitely was not from an article. Imo
 
Mspionage said:
Everything this individual has done and seemingly has a track record for is both strategic and brazen. From assuring his ex is both financially covered to keep her mouth shut/to assuring she knows that if she talks the threat exists that she will pay for it, to falsifying records to make himself look like something he isn't, to using old photos to make himself look like something he isn't, to never staying in the same situation for very long, to scattered records, to knowledge of how to deal with very specific issues, to knowledge of setting up surveillance, and on an on. His entire track record reads like a person attempting to make himself look like an average Joe when but his job length/switching, connections and everything in between contradict that. So why the park?

We now know the cameras did not work at the park/were not active. Coincidence? I do not think so. He would not have picked that park unless he knew he could do so without identification via camera which is why I believe he told her, likely over the phone/not by text, that was their meeting spot to which she herself would have passed on to the driver and thus the drivers record would have indicated it came from her thus causing the police not know where the decision originated from and only knowing the last person she spoke to was him if indeed he doesn't even have a throw away phone which we do not know. Then she is disposed of in such a brazen way that the neighbors smelled the body parts and even asked him to which he said he will done soon. That is a very bold person and someone who has acted in such a way before in my opinion.

This is a man who has to control everything in his own home and has to see everything going on and has to have full control over it all. A sexual sadist who pushed himself into many groups which would have given him access to many young women both disenfranchised with life or looking to ascend their lives by meeting the right people. I think he cast a wide net over many different avenues. There is no way he didn't know that park was a deadzone or he wouldn't have picked it. He is in control with everything he does and strategic in everything he does despite being sloppy and leaving trails on a few instances. Overall though he left very few trails, very few and that, to me at least, speaks of a mind that knows the game he plays very well and is seasoned in it.
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MOO all that and he took is cell phone to Hatch Park. To explain why he would take his phone, MOO he HAD to keep in contact, it was a digital fueled relationship in some way.

MOO he risked taking the phone and bet that if a Sugar Baby disappeared it would be reported but filed away as a general missing person and fade away, not become a massive manhunt.
 
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kkdj said:
But then what was her strategy for getting home?
Something happened the minute she got into his car that rendered her helpless. He needed her phone shut off for a reason and that reason was so she couldn't be tracked.....the same reason he didn't want the lyft driver to drop her off at his house. That's what makes me feel certain this whole thing was premeditated. jmo
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Or so ML could not summon help...
 
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