Found Deceased UT - MacKenzie "Kenzie" Lueck, 23, Salt Lake City, 17 June 2019 #15 *ARREST*

[MsBetsy]

Mainly because he does not come across as someone smart enough to pull such a daring act with any help (except if he was on drugs or had prior mental illness?).
Secondly, he handed over his phone with all ML's photos and text messages to LE and then went on to say he does not know who ML was? This is a very abnormal behaviour IMO. Then there is the evidence in his backyard, he had a good 2/3 days to get rid of those before the search trail heated up but he decided to leave it there but take her body to LC? Maybe he is just beyond dumb or a crucial part of the story is still missing. Remember the main point here is understanding how and when he killed her (the murder), there is nothing more important than this. I consider his person, history and other profiling to be a distraction.
I will surely be following this story to see what the official charges are, I would NOT be surprised if another suspect is unveiled.

Well, in most cases the perpetrator does not come across as being smart enough to pull off such a crime by himself.
But time and time again we see that this is indeed the case. Although they may take careful steps to plan the crime, more often than not they make careless mistakes and leave behind important evidence that points to them being the murderer.
It's as if they don't have the ability to predict the consequences of their actions, or are so arrogant they don't think they will get caught.

Their past history, actions, and personality are actually very important in terms of getting inside the mind of the killer and understanding why and how they are capable of committing such a crime.

We always are in disbelief and don't understand how they could be so ignorant yet it seems to be consistent in every case.

We could probably start a whole new thread debating over which criminal is the most stupid. Imo

 

[MassGuy]

I'm not seeing a drug connection, tbh. We don't have evidence or even hints that ML used drugs and I haven't seen anything about AA in that regard either (might have missed that as I can't keep up with every post - if so, clue me in, please.).

But we do have evidence that both used online means to meet dates.

So, I'm thinking the meeting in the park had more to do with a hook-up or arrangement rather than with drugs.

But, really don't know yet, I guess.

jmo

Yes. He also had photos of her on his phone, to include one from a “profile.”

This fits more with some sort of online connection, as opposed to a drug one.

 

[wary]

I think that we’re overemphasizing the 3:00 am aspect of the situation.

If she just went out, from home, at 3:00 am—yes, that would be strange.

But it seems likely to me that the main reason the meeting took place at 3:00 am is because her plane had just landed, and, for whatever reason, she wanted to meet him as soon as possible. And, seems very obvious that what happened to her would have happened, no matter what time of day she met him.

MOO

 

[Puzzled25]

I don’t think most of the media is concerned about anything here, other than generating clicks.

That’s why we’ve seen sensational headlines, especially from outlets like the Daily Mail.

It’s a juicy story, and they continue to milk it for all it’s worth.

Predators lurk everywhere, but there’s no doubt that dating apps have changed the game for them.

We still don’t know how this meetup came to be, or the true nature of their relationship.

It is important to analyze risk, and evaluate what people can do to keep themselves safe.

But we don’t know how her dating habits, played into his hands.

Not yet.

Definitely.

And we shouldn't use her dating habits to judge her.

I suspect we'll never find out how they came to meet a 3 AM. It's certainly in the texts LE have. But, LE has been very careful not to put out anything that would be hurtful to her family. Unlike many police departments, the SLCPD have been very good about keeping information quiet. I suspect we'll ultimately see a guilty plea with LWOP in exchange for waiving the death penalty.

 

[10ofRods]

Check out under his interests.

Oh boy. Heonism.

What struck me first is he wants to get into "outdoor stuff." I've been saying that he's absolutely a city boy (raised in a densely backed city in Nigeria, and Nigeria isn't exactly a place with tons of trees and forests and waterfalls).

His geology essay was supposed to involve a field trip to a nearby lake in Utah (he didn't go). The lake is approximately as far away as his house is from Dam 3. I'm guessing that, to him, 80-90 mile drive is a looong way. I say this because most people who haven't traveled by car much think that way (and that's true of many, many students - neither they, nor their parents, have ever traveled much). He clearly knew nothing about the lake nor about nature nor about geology.

But that part about the tantric sex...spirituality etc. is really spooky. He would have given off such a strong "nice guy" vibe. Maybe that's even how he saw himself. "Sex magic." He may have had some eccentric ideas about exerting (spiritual) power through sex and people being destined to be with him.

I wonder what "first 45 minutes/sex-no sex" means. "Partners of sex addicts." "Crossdressers and our sex life."

 

[MassGuy]

Definitely.

And we shouldn't use her dating habits to judge her.

I suspect we'll never find out how they came to meet a 3 AM. It's certainly in the texts LE have. But, LE has been very careful not to put out anything that would be hurtful to her family. Unlike many police departments, the SLCPD have been very good about keeping information quiet. I suspect we'll ultimately see a guilty plea with LWOP in exchange for waiving the death penalty.

There’s a line between risk assessment and victim blaming.

You can’t learn from a situation, unless you recognize that a victim could have done something different.

We don’t know the specifics, so it’s premature to do that.

What we should never do, is lose sight of the fact that this guy did this, and he deserves all of the blame.

The issue I have, is that the media has jumped the gun here, and her lifestyle is being picked apart.

We will know the answers here, as I have no doubt they are there (likely within those text messages).

There’s a time and a place for the rest.

 

[srg]

Yeah, it’s like a fricken contest or something.

Fotis Dulos, Patrick Frazee, Chris Watts; now this guy.

“Oh, you think you’re the worlds dumbest killer? Hold my beer.”

Agree. AA is really horrible at murdering. Dumb mistakes aren’t that surprising given that narcissists and psychopaths often are grandiose in what they can get away with, but AA is all over the place.

Wouldn’t surprise me if he was drafting “Forge Identity 2: Backyard Bonfire Could have Gone Better” before he was arrested.

AA is apparently also horrible at fairly easy house projects like installing hooks in his basement on his own. The list is endless...

 

[SandSage]

I do wonder how he was able to get a loan for the house. Most programs are pretty stringent with the requirements. Sorry that I’m not searching for it-anyone know how much the house went for? Even if he put 20% down, I would imagine the mortgage would be pretty hefty. The days of lending companies looking the other way are over.

Just a passing thought - he has all these claims about military service. Is there any way he might have qualified for a VA loan?

ETA: Could he have forged paperwork to do this? I don't know what all goes into getting approval...

 

[Puzzled25]

Yes. He also had photos of her on his phone, to include one from a “profile.”

This fits more with some sort of online connection, as opposed to a drug one.

Hmmh. That's definitely a valid point, although it could be both. I've seen plenty of Tinder profiles where people have named themselves XXX420 or make reference to looking for weed.

But does look like they have evidence of communications through an app besides texting.

And this guy isn't the brightest bulb, he paid his lawyer through a public venmo payment. Which also suggests he doesn't have a credit card with sufficient credit but does have a bank account with cash.

 

[Pedrosmom]

I do believe they found a body, intact, with an attempted burn area. I also believe that he never saw that part coming (body discovery). I also think that they’re about to get a cause of death and other forensics back soon - and more charges will follow.

MOO.

 

[iamcurious9]

Yeah, it’s like a fricken contest or something.

Fotis Dulos, Patrick Frazee, Chris Watts; now this guy.

“Oh, you think you’re the worlds dumbest killer? Hold my beer.”

 

[Puzzled25]

Just a passing thought - he has all these claims about military service. Is there any way he might have qualified for a VA loan?

Definitely not. He was only in the National Guard for a few months and its unclear whether he even completed basic training. IIRC, he was discharged for "medical standards." Was wondering if that had something to do with his mental well-being or failing a drug test.

 

[SandSage]

Definitely not. He was only in the National Guard for a few months and its unclear whether he even completed basic training. IIRC, he was discharged for "medical standards." Was wondering if that had something to do with his mental well-being or failing a drug test.

I'm just wondering if he could have forged all that (being the con he appears to be).

eta: moo

 

[Seattle1]

Not only his interests he put on there, but he doesn't appear to be wearing a shirt. What's around his neck? Headphones?

At first I thought it was a collar!! Thankfully, @MassGuy brought me back to the the light -- they're headphones.

 

[MassGuy]

I'm just wondering if he could have forged all that (being the con he appears to be).

eta: moo

All this stuff is digitized now, and it’s relatively easy to verify someone’s military service.

Perhaps it would have been possible to pull a scam like that years ago, but I definitely don’t think anyone could do that now.

 

[GordianKnot]

Yes. He also had photos of her on his phone, to include one from a “profile.”

This fits more with some sort of online connection, as opposed to a drug one.

They may have wanted different things out of the arrangement/relationship.

In fact, if it was a SB/SD type deal, then they almost certainly DID want different things from each other.

AA likely approached ML via an online "dating" site.

He may have lured her with the promise of cash + other bennies.

JMO.

 

[MyBelle]

I don’t think most of the media is concerned about anything here, other than generating clicks.

That’s why we’ve seen sensational headlines, especially from outlets like the Daily Mail.

It’s a juicy story, and they continue to milk it for all it’s worth.

Predators lurk everywhere, but there’s no doubt that dating apps have changed the game for them.

We still don’t know how this meetup came to be, or the true nature of their relationship.

It is important to analyze risk, and evaluate what people can do to keep themselves safe.

But we don’t know how her dating habits, played into his hands.

Not yet.

ML is a victim. She was another naive, young female victim of a male predator. These cases are gaining in frequency and the common denominator are dating apps.

It's an incredibly frightening story and my link is to the University of Minnesota newspaper trying to warn students as to the extremely high risk and a story about a young college student meeting someone via the seeking arrangement website. She was sexually assaulted, stalked and harassed.

Predators might lurk everywhere but the Internet sure broadened their scope of prey. It sickens me that websites like this exist and that young women foolishly believe they are "safe." Universities should NOT allow the University's email be used.

Sydney Loofe was lured to her death via a dating app and a woman helped lure her. I have no doubt Kenzie was also lured and it would not surprise me if AA had an accomplice.

Here's another link. This newspaper is in Australia and it emphasizes the naiveté of these young college students.

Inside the dangerous world of ‘Sugar Daddy’ dating sites

JMO

 

[LVatty10]

The Professions With the Most Psychopaths...

1. CEO
2. Lawyer
3. Media (TV and radio)
4. Salesperson

Things that make you go hmmmmm….

SBM, BBM

OT ... There I am! Haha! I know attorneys are high on the list. But I promise I’m not a psychopath. I actually don’t know if I’ve encountered a true psychopath lawyer, but narcissists and sociopaths - yes, many.

I’d love to see the numbers for the tech industry. While I know AA was little more than a geek squad guy, it’s interesting that he nominally chose that industry. Type A, detail oriented, fast paced. Seems tech would attract more than it’s fair share of psychos. IMO

 

[MsBetsy]

Definitely not. He was only in the National Guard for a few months and its unclear whether he even completed basic training. IIRC, he was discharged for "medical standards." Was wondering if that had something to do with his mental well-being or failing a drug test.

He apparently did not complete basic training, in fact, I'm not sure he ever started it at all. Imo

 

[Puzzled25]

ML is a victim. She was another naive, young female victim of a male predator. These cases are gaining in frequency and the common denominator are dating apps.

It's an incredibly frightening story and my link is to the University of Minnesota newspaper trying to warn students as to the extremely high risk and a story about a young college student meeting someone via the seeking arrangement website. She was sexually assaulted, stalked and harassed.

Predators might lurk everywhere but the Internet sure broadened their scope of prey. It sickens me that websites like this exist and that young women foolishly believe they are "safe." Universities should NOT allow the University's email be used.

Sydney Loofe was lured to her death via a dating app and a woman helped lure her. I have no doubt Kenzie was also lured and it would not surprise me if AA had an accomplice.

Here's another link. This newspaper is in Australia and it emphasizes the naiveté of these young college students.

Inside the dangerous world of ‘Sugar Daddy’ dating sites

JMO

You will always be able to find an article somewhere on anything.

But statistically, the danger in dating violence is from people the same age. For example, here in SLC, we had a killing this weekend by a 27 year old male of his 24 year old girlfriend. That's pretty typical. In contrast, how often do you see something involving a successful 40 year old guy hurting a 20 something college student?

ML wasn't killed by a successful older guy who was paying her tuition.

She was killed by a sicko who is of a more normal dating age and doesn't appear to have a steady job. I'll add that this is similar to another college student killed in Utah by a sicko relatively close in age who didn't have a steady job. As I think about it, I'm wondering if that didn't play some inspiration in AA's mind.