Found Deceased UT - MacKenzie "Kenzie" Lueck, 23, Salt Lake City, 17 June 2019 #2

[MassGuy]

A park in North Salt Lake, at 3AM? That is creepy. Why would you meet anyone at a park at that time of night?

If you’re meeting someone you know, or atleast someone you have interacted with before, that’s not as scary as it sounds.

It would likely require a degree of trust, but if you’re going straight from a Lyft to a waiting vehicle with an occupant you know, then I could get that.

That’s why I think it’s likely that she knew this person, and didn’t just find him on some dating app.

 

[shanadk]

It’s just so weird to make someone you want to see at 2:00am have to take the time to arrange a Lyft ride and pay for it when you could’ve driven the extra 10 minutes to just pick her up. AND arrange the meeting in an isolated parking spot. It sure doesn’t seem like someone who cared about her, so why the need to see her at that hour.

I’m still unsure about the driver. It’s possible to have incapacitated her at the park, put her in the trunk, go to pick up other riders for an alibi, then harm her at a later time.

Where would she

I wish I had a dollar for every time this is suggested or discussed on this website lol.

It’s always a possibility but usually people aren’t taking women for sex trafficking who will be easily missed. Taking a young attractive blonde college student with family and friends who will immediately miss her would be really risky because there’s going to be missing posters and potential “buyers” would recognize her and know she was kidnapped.

If she was kidnapped and it was sexually related, it’s most likely the same old story we hear over and over again...someone wanted her so they took her. Sigh.


A lot of BAD reasons for the most part.

If the person didn’t want to pick her up from the airport there’s only one reason for that - too many security cameras.

Please. Do not "shut down" another person's valid concerns about trafficking. It is the fastest growing crime in the United States; and the US has highest rate of sex trafficking incidents of any developed nation.

I have seen others shut down the discussion of trafficking on this site. It is high time that we are "allowed" to talk about this very real risk to women.

 

[GordianKnot]

What if it was the other way around? What if she contacted him? She was down after attending her gm’s funeral so she called him and said “I know it’s late, but can I see you?” Maybe he lives further north and says he’ll meet her halfway. Maybe he is married or a public figure and is annoyed she contacted him at home at that hour. Obviously her cellphone records should clear up who was calling who, but what if she called from an airport phone and he uses a burner for his trysts? Most posted theoriries lean towards the obsessed male, but what if the obsessed person is the woman and she is becoming a threat to his home life or career? It may also turn out badly from this direction, too.

That's a good thought.
That possibility certainly can't be ruled out.
I'm hoping whoever ML and she met at the park were texting vs. talking on the phone.
Texts will give LE a clearer understanding of the nature of the relationship b/t the two, who was seeking out whom, etc.

If LE's really lucky, texts may reveal plans for ML and ? intended to go after he/she picked ML up at the park.

JMO.

 

[Snoop Sister]

Well, chances are high, I think, that the identity of the person she met is connected in some way to her lifestyle. And chances are high, I think, that her disappearance is connected to the person she met, rather than a random stranger.

I agree...I don’t think it was a random stranger. Either, she has had an online relationship with him or has met him before. To meet at that time of night, she imo must have been highly interested to meet with him.

 

[darmela]

According to the Heavy.com article she was "known to date older men and was currently dating multiple people casually." Hmmmm….. seems to me there is a chance that one of her older men might not have had the same "casual" dating view that she had. Perhaps he wanted something more exclusive and serious. If he confronted her about this, something could have happened to ML in the heat of an argument. I hope I'm wrong, but I have a very bad feeling that something like this could have happened.

 

[poppydarling]

Do you have empirical evidence and stats on that? That statement surprises me. TIA

https://digitalcommons.law.buffalo....6btnG%3D#search="“sugar baby” risky behavior"

Here’s one. Plus a slew found but with African participants (ie not US based samples). I have a working manuscript on this- but can’t share it until it’s peer reviewed but happy to share the results only if needed.

 

[MsBetsy]

Agreed. I just can't wrap my head around her being dropped off in that creepy area, at that time in the morning. What would the point of going to that specific park, at that hour, unless she was meeting someone she knew.

I can't imagine anyone going there, to meet someone you don't know.

Was this planned? Who ever she met...maybe they met before at his house, or hotel...or where ever, and there would be a paper trail.

There is something very wrong about this situation.

I did not get the impression that it is a bad area. It actually looked pretty nice from the pictures I saw.
Is it known as a dangerous area?

 

[chihuahua]

Dealing with the trucking community I understand trafficking all too well.
I don't see it as the situation here.
This is just sad.
Let's remember her friends and maybe family are reading here.
If this turns out positively and she comes back, I can't even begin to imagine her feelings .
Damage already done IMO and how could she deal with that?
And MacKenzie if you can see this, please know I'm not among those anywhere who might judge you.
Let someone know you're ok and you can take any time you may need to heal.
So hoping you are safe.
Chi

 

[SoCalGirl]

A friend?

Again, risky if he had nefarious purposes.

 

[savedabeez20]

According to the Heavy.com article she was "known to date older men and was currently dating multiple people casually." Hmmmm….. seems to me there is a chance that one of her older men might not have had the same "casual" dating view that she had. Perhaps he wanted something more exclusive and serious. If he confronted her about this, something could have happened to ML in the heat of an argument. I hope I'm wrong, but I have a very bad feeling that something like this could have happened.

I know plenty of older men who are looking to date casually. Especially ones who've a. never been married or b. have been recently divorced.

 

[Karebear20]

A park in North Salt Lake, at 3AM? That is creepy. Why would you meet anyone at a park at that time of night?

Now that is true. Creepy time. Area is upscale however

 

[K9Enzo]

Let me rephrase

One of her sugar daddies that send money and gifts for sexual pictures, chat, company and sometimes physical comfort.

definitely not a prostitute.

Sorry for any confusion.

all MOO

Good grief.

Is it your opinion that she sent sexual pics of herself in exchange for money and gifts?

Please point me in the direction where this poor woman deserves this type of on-line nonsense?

 

[savedabeez20]

Where would she


Please. Do not "shut down" another person's valid concerns about trafficking. It is the fastest growing crime in the United States; and the US has highest rate of sex trafficking incidents of any developed nation.

I have seen others shut down the discussion of trafficking on this site. It is high time that we are "allowed" to talk about this very real risk to women.

Thank you, and I agree. Sex trafficking is on the rise and should not be shunned from the conversation.

 

[wary]

I know plenty of older men who are looking to date casually. Especially ones who've a. never been married or b. have been recently divorced.

Sure, but the question is—are there any who would want to date seriously and exclusively? It doesn’t matter how many want to date casually.

 

[GordianKnot]

If you’re meeting someone you know, or atleast someone you have interacted with before, that’s not as scary as it sounds.

It would likely require a degree of trust, but if you’re going straight from a Lyft to a waiting vehicle with an occupant you know, then I could get that.

That’s why I think it’s likely that she knew this person, and didn’t just find him on some dating app.

BBM: Or her.

LE wouldn't verify that it was a man who picked her up at the pc today.

Depending on how safety-conscious she is, ML may or may not have agreed to meet someone she "met" on a dating app at a park at that hour.

ML apparently didn't tell anyone she was going to meet this person, which is an indicator that she felt the situation was safe for her.

As, indeed, it may have been. We still don't know that anything nefarious has happened to her.

The Lyft driver being there may have given her an increased sense of security, too.

In that sense, she didn't go there "alone" to meet this person.

JMO.

 

[Bugurl747]

That's a good thought.
That possibility certainly can't be ruled out.
I'm hoping whoever ML and she met at the park were texting vs. talking on the phone.
Texts will give LE a clearer understanding of the nature of the relationship b/t the two, who was seeking out whom, etc.

If LE's really lucky, texts may reveal plans for ML and ? intended to go after he/she picked ML up at the park.

JMO.

I know Snapchat is a popular way to communicate, where the snap or video disappears after initial view.

Does anyone know if that still able to be traced?

I hope Kenzie was cautious in how she communicated with people and left footprints.

MOO

 

[savedabeez20]

Sure, but the question is—are there any who would want to date seriously and exclusively? It doesn’t matter how many want to date casually.

Sure there are....there's also plenty of creepy older men who have not had successful dating lives who might be looking for a serious relationship.

 

[Gigi3]

If you’re meeting someone you know, or atleast someone you have interacted with before, that’s not as scary as it sounds.

It would likely require a degree of trust, but if you’re going straight from a Lyft to a waiting vehicle with an occupant you know, then I could get that.

That’s why I think it’s likely that she knew this person, and didn’t just find him on some dating app.

Absolutely. And if we are to go on the assumption that LE undoubtedly have more info than we do (and I do) we have to trust that the Lyft driver is being truthful and judging by the account that he gave of ML’s meeting with mystery person that she seemed comfortable with that person. That’s why I think this meeting was prearranged and likely has happened before. JMO

 

[yellowmoose]

It has been said she was a SB and that’s what it is.
We have to be realistic to what was happening and how it could have contributed to her disappearance

Yes it has been mentioned that she has interest and has participated in SD/DB in the past. We do not know what her SD/SB relationships look like. We don't know if she is exchanging explicit photos for money, or getting things in exchange for sex, or any other possibility you can come up with. Some women exchange attending events with these men for a dinner. And that's it. You have no idea what is being exchanged and if the VI doesn't know, you shouldn't be spreading not factual information.

 

[Bugurl747]

A park in North Salt Lake, at 3AM? That is creepy. Why would you meet anyone at a park at that time of night?

Close to the airport and an easy landmark? Also, inconspicuous and discreet which goes along with some of the territory we have been discussing, IMO.

It is also close to the PD, perhaps a false sense of security?