Found Deceased UT - MacKenzie "Kenzie" Lueck, 23, Salt Lake City, 17 June 2019 #5

[MsBetsy]

Can someone ( @PommyMommy ) please bring forward the quote that says her family thinks she may be out of state? Tia.

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There’s a beachbaby profile as well??

Hi Margarita, I think that statement came from a poster (not the VI) who knows the family but as far as I know, it has not been verified or stated in MSM that they believe she is not in Utah. If it has, I would like to see it too.

 

[PommyMommy]

She must have changed though because they were saying she was wearing a white tshirt with a peace symbol on it which is not what the airport pics show. Also, she could have taken 5 minutes in the bathroom or car to quick put some makeup/lip stick on.

I presume the tshirt is under her sweater (or whatever that is). MOO

 

[savedabeez20]

I'm confused as to why there's a perception that her friends aren't concerned? Many of us have organized off SM to put up fliers and look for her. Different circles of friends communicate on a daily basis. When this case first started up, there was little to NO media coverage. Friends and family spent the first few days constantly reaching out to media, reporters, radio, etc. getting her story out there. We've been working and helping with this non-stop. So I'm not sure that perception is correct. And is potentially offensive to those of us that haven't slept in 10 days and are working around the clock to try to get her home.

You're right, I apologize. I didn't mean to be insensitive. I'm just anxious thinking that something could really be wrong, and that the days just continue to pass.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I was reading something unrelated to this case, where a former FBI agent was being interviewed. He was asked what shifts in a case for the police to get involved. He explained that the FBI isn’t called in for more man power or for boots on the ground searching, that the FBI is called in when forensic help is needed — “when science comes into play that’s when the FBI is called because most state police depts don’t have those capabilities.”

I think the FBI was called for the digital forensics in this case.
jmo

 

[AN007]

FBI always provides assistance when requested. I don't think I've ever heard of them turning anyone down. Has anyone ever heard of FBI not assisting when asked?

In the now infamous Larry Nassar/USA Gymnastics case the FBI did not act on reports of sexual abuse for upwards of 7 months. I hate that I have to be this skeptical now.

 

[Utahmomof4]

Question for anyone local, as I haven’t seen any mention of search parties orchestrated by LE. I know her sorority sisters have posted signs etc but I’m really surprised LE hasn’t begun canvassing the area with dogs, etc. Regardless of lack of evidence, this seems to be SOP after day 5’ish. There was hearsay of LE knocking on doors at an apartment complex near the park but that’s the only thing I’ve heard.

If you’re local, have you noticed or heard of police presence in a “searching” capacity. It may be a waste of time but if this were my daughter, sister, friend, I would be physically searching. Why isn’t anyone? I totally respect allowing LE to do their job and to not impede but I would HAVE to do something!

Nope. Nothing. Nada. We have family and friends in both areas - her apartment location and in NSL and no one has seen an increased police presence or anything like a search party. But again, where would they actually search? These are large areas, some heavily populated with rentals and also large outdoor areas nearby - canyons, etc.

 

[margarita25]

Bringing this post forward from the last thread:

(Link in progress)
poppydarling said: ↑

“I know there is a lot of chatter about SB/SD/the sugar lifestyle. I wanted to clear up a few things as it is becoming more relevant to the case potentially.


First, a sugar lifestyle is NOT considered to be the same as sex work. Calling Kenzie, or any sugar baby, a sex worker is a misnomer and very problematic. There is a difference in terms of consent and agreed upon exchange. Calling anyone in the sugar lifestyle a “hooker,” “prostitute,” “escort,” or any term related to these is not appropriate. A sugar baby and the sugar lifestyle should really be considered a consensual exchange relationship.


An exchange relationship is pretty similar to a traditional relationship, but with a few understood and agreed upon exchanges. Typically for sugar babies this means engaging in consensual relationships with older men (or women but typically men). This does NOT always include sexual intercourse. It can include companionship, friendship, support, and/or accompanied with sexual behaviors. Just to be clear: sex is commonly NOT the driving force of these relationship (statistics put this at over 70% non sexual at statistical significance).


*If* we are going to discuss Kenzie and her participation in the sugar lifestyle, it should be done so as it if were her having a relationship with an older man. Nothing else. She is an adult. She entered relationships with consent and awareness. Nothing to this point indicates ANY sex work or even sexual deviance. She appears to have exchange based relationships. Which frankly many of us have to some degree. Any shaming or name calling, including calling her names of other sex working positions, should not be tolerated as there is ZERO evidence of Kenzie participating in any of that.


Sex workers often have someone that is their boss (slang we say pimp) that they report to and takes a cut of their income. Income often exchanged via sexual relations ONLY with no regard for emotional support or consideration. Sugar babies do not have this same structure. They do not work for anyone. They engage in this lifestyle for their own personal choice and walk away with their own exchanges without the need to cut anyone in. There is often emotional consideration and personal autonomy is retained. In Kenzie’s case, this is clearly demonstrated in her posted from twelve weeks ago. The emotional consideration was highly important to her and indicates she was not working with any boss/handler/pimp. This alone indicates she is not, and has not to our knowledge, been engaged in sex work.


I am happy to answer any questions about this lifestyle/relationship status/possible mentality but I will only do so if approached respectably for both Kenzie and the lifestyle.“

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My first response to the above:

“Just to be clear: sex is commonly NOT the driving force of these relationship (statistics put this at over 70% non sexual at statistical significance).”

“70% nonsexual”??? I find it very hard to believe that 70% of the men don’t expect sex??

 

[Seattle1]

Great find! Now we can fully discuss BeachBaby96 since it has been in MSM. Hoping mods will allow you to post SS's.

The KSLTV video shot clearly shows the profile is private.

The only public information is member since date May 21, 2019, and last active date June 16, 2019.

I believe we treat this like any other private sm account.

MOO

 

[Gardenista]

There's speculation that the SA profile has been taken down which makes me hope that maybe it is being accessed by LE.

I'm just glad SA isn't the type of site that disappears the info you've posted. I have no doubt LE will be able to get a warrant and scrape all the info they can from her account.

I think it is strange they would pull her account down though, because it seems like it would make more sense to leave it live and watch it to see if there is any activity.

 

[ZhaZhaHa]

I don’t think anyone has disagreed with this, but it is not a sex ONLY relationship. That’s been the point. Sex is not the ONLY motivation for these types of relationships.

Edited for a typo.

Well, for her it isn't only sex. It's money and maybe a meaningful connection if she can find it. For him, it's sex. He MIGHT want a meaningful connection? But that isn't what is bringing most men to a SD/SB website.

 

[Utahmomof4]

I'm confused as to why there's a perception that her friends aren't concerned? Many of us have organized off SM to put up fliers and look for her. Different circles of friends communicate on a daily basis. When this case first started up, there was little to NO media coverage. Friends and family spent the first few days constantly reaching out to media, reporters, radio, etc. getting her story out there. We've been working and helping with this non-stop. So I'm not sure that perception is correct. And is potentially offensive to those of us that haven't slept in 10 days and are working around the clock to try to get her home.

I agree with you! Her friends have been nonstop on media sites and worked tirelessly to get info out. Looks like she has a very loyal and loving group of sisters.

 

[PommyMommy]

Last night local news station KUTV2 reported that the FBI had joined the search for ML and that the SLCPD were happy about having their help. I haven't seen anything else yet. @PommyMommy might have a link?

It hasn't been widely reported. Mainly that they've been contacted which is enough for me. They didn't just call to say "hi" lol.

 

[wary]

Heather Elvis, of course -- but also the more recent (and horrendous) Lucy McHugh case in the UK.

I wonder also about exes who remain friends. In difficult times reaching out to someone you're no longer with but are still attached to is pretty common (and understandable) and might explain the awkward timing and "plane clothes" meetup.

Finally, there's the possibility that whatever happened happened to both of them. Rare, but has occurred in a few cases, and might explain the lack of contact.

I wonder if she had a male friend, (or more than one) in a relationship that was supposedly not romantic. I say supposedly, because her thoughts on the subject might have been different than his.

 

[ZhaZhaHa]

Why do we care if she was/wasn't dressed up to go meet somebody? Jeans/leggings and a t-shirt are fine for a first date, second date, whatever. Things are a lot different now. Her confidence is what's sexy, she wouldn't necessarily need to get all dressed up. I'd also assume she agreed to stay the night and she had a full suitcase, so..

 

[ClaireNC]

Oh man, am I correct to think we're allowed to discuss what the podcast mentioned?

If so does anybody worry about a serial abductor? This makes me very uneasy.

Yes! I am surprised that LE hasn’t mentioned anything about a possible ongoing threat (or not) to the public and even more surprised that the media hasn’t asked that question.

 

[Cyclones22mv]

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I don’t think anyone has disagreed with this, but it is not a sex ONLY relationship. That’s been the point. Sex is not the ONLY motivation for these types of relationships.

Edited for a typo.

Agreed. Like all relationships each party usually gets something positive out of it otherwise why continue the relationship (aside from abusive relationships, which doesn't really fit into the SD/SB situation here IMO) ?

SD's usually give some type of financial benefit whether it be cash, gifts, clothing, vacations and the SB gives him attention from a younger attractive girl that he would not be able to get otherwise, whether the attention is sexual or not is probably a case to case basis.

 

[MsBetsy]

She must have changed though because they were saying she was wearing a white tshirt with a peace symbol on it which is not what the airport pics show. Also, she could have taken 5 minutes in the bathroom or car to quick put some makeup/lip stick on.

She may have the shirt on under the white shirt/ jacket or whatever it is.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

One thing I find mildly interesting, is how massive her checked bag was. This has my wheels turning as to why so big, although I realize some people pack HEAVY. This was just a weekend trip.

This also gives us a clue as to the interaction between either she and the Lyft driver or all three: POI, ML, LD. She couldn't have just popped out of the Lyft and hopped over to the waiting vehicle. There were serious ride share logistics involved. I'm sure the driver even got out to help her... I would very much like to learn what the driver saw in detail. And I would love to question the driver.

I always have more luggage than usual when returning home for a funeral. You need two outfits just for the funeral and visitation generally (usually they are on separate days). Then you need regular outfits for both of those days, including different shoes. That right there doubles the amount you are taking with you. Then, if you are completely unprepared for the event, you might not have or know exactly what you should be wearing so you pack extra things just in case and hope that your mom will tell you at least one outfit is appropriate.

 

[savedabeez20]

Bringing this post forward from the last thread:

poppydarling said: ↑

“I know there is a lot of chatter about SB/SD/the sugar lifestyle. I wanted to clear up a few things as it is becoming more relevant to the case potentially.


First, a sugar lifestyle is NOT considered to be the same as sex work. Calling Kenzie, or any sugar baby, a sex worker is a misnomer and very problematic. There is a difference in terms of consent and agreed upon exchange. Calling anyone in the sugar lifestyle a “hooker,” “prostitute,” “escort,” or any term related to these is not appropriate. A sugar baby and the sugar lifestyle should really be considered a consensual exchange relationship.


An exchange relationship is pretty similar to a traditional relationship, but with a few understood and agreed upon exchanges. Typically for sugar babies this means engaging in consensual relationships with older men (or women but typically men). This does NOT always include sexual intercourse. It can include companionship, friendship, support, and/or accompanied with sexual behaviors. Just to be clear: sex is commonly NOT the driving force of these relationship (statistics put this at over 70% non sexual at statistical significance).


*If* we are going to discuss Kenzie and her participation in the sugar lifestyle, it should be done so as it if were her having a relationship with an older man. Nothing else. She is an adult. She entered relationships with consent and awareness. Nothing to this point indicates ANY sex work or even sexual deviance. She appears to have exchange based relationships. Which frankly many of us have to some degree. Any shaming or name calling, including calling her names of other sex working positions, should not be tolerated as there is ZERO evidence of Kenzie participating in any of that.


Sex workers often have someone that is their boss (slang we say pimp) that they report to and takes a cut of their income. Income often exchanged via sexual relations ONLY with no regard for emotional support or consideration. Sugar babies do not have this same structure. They do not work for anyone. They engage in this lifestyle for their own personal choice and walk away with their own exchanges without the need to cut anyone in. There is often emotional consideration and personal autonomy is retained. In Kenzie’s case, this is clearly demonstrated in her posted from twelve weeks ago. The emotional consideration was highly important to her and indicates she was not working with any boss/handler/pimp. This alone indicates she is not, and has not to our knowledge, been engaged in sex work.


I am happy to answer any questions about this lifestyle/relationship status/possible mentality but I will only do so if approached respectably for both Kenzie and the lifestyle.“

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My first response to the above:

“Just to be clear: sex is commonly NOT the driving force of these relationship (statistics put this at over 70% non sexual at statistical significance).”

70%??? I find it very hard to believe that 70% of the men don’t expect sex??

First hand experience of SB/SD dating :

 

[PommyMommy]

Agree...I don't even know ML personally and have thought about going up near the canyons, lakes, etc. near that area to look. I too am surprised that non of her friends are more concerned.

I think her friends have proven to be extremely concerned. Many of them have spoken to the media, cooperated with LE, they've set up a FB page, organized flyer distribution, and several are members here at Websleuths. I think it's unfair to label her friends as unconcerned because they don't physically search. They wouldn't have any idea where to look would be my guess. MOO