Found Deceased UT - MacKenzie "Kenzie" Lueck, 23, Salt Lake City, 17 June 2019 #5

[Utahmomof4]

Yes! I am surprised that LE hasn’t mentioned anything about a possible ongoing threat (or not) to the public and even more surprised that the media hasn’t asked that question.

Trust me, this is crossing the minds of every college kid I’ve spoken with here. They are all feeling vulnerable and want to know how this happened and if it is going to happen again. All very worried for her. Most of these kids live on or near Greek row and it’s such a small community that everyone knows a friend of a friend who knows her.

 

[jdog17]

I disagree. MOO but I think it was planned in advance. I think either she or the mystery person demanded to discuss something immediately and in person and things went poorly. I think maybe the person found out she was seeing other people and flipped out, or there was a pregnancy scare or something and the mystery person made ML disappear. I don’t think it was a premeditated murder and s/he just got super lucky that so much time passed before anyone reported ML missing.

The question of whether this meet-up was preplanned or not is an important one. As another poster pointed out, grief can impact decision making but funerals also interrupt lives. The funeral was not planned, so going to CA may have interrupted or postponed an already planned liaison, thus the meeting late at night as soon as she got back to UT, as in..."I'm out of town until this specific date, then we can talk," which is why she went right from airport to the park. The bx of going right from airport to park is odd, even for a young person, so the most logical explanation is she had something urgent to discuss or do.

 

[SuperTmo]

I just find it a little hard to believe that ML would disappear on her own because A. she has a cat at home whom she loves! and B. She had another flight already booked to go to a friend's wedding.
Also, if I was on national news, and my entire family and friend group was extremely concerned about me, I would at least reach out and let someone know I was okay.

Also, the FBI is now involved...

Yes but you are thinking like a sane and rational person. We all are. But if someone is considering fleeing their life, there is some not so rational thinking going on. She knew her cat was safe because the roommates were there. She may not have given an eff about the wedding if she felt like she was in crisis.

If she did take a break from life, I don’t think coming back will be easy because everyone has spread her details around and she is being picked apart on line like crazy. The stuff out there is going to potentially make it hard for her to get a job.

Plus maybe she just wanted a bit of attention, or to feel like she mattered, that people worried and when freaking days went by before anyone cared, I’m not sure I’d be motivated to come back either, if that was my private life being analyzed and people are wondering what I may or may not have done for money.

 

[savedabeez20]

I wonder if she had a male friend, (or more than one) in a relationship that was supposedly not romantic. I say supposedly, because her thoughts on the subject might have been different than his.

This has been my theory from the get go...MOO

 

[ClaireNC]

Last night local news station KUTV2 reported that the FBI had joined the search for ML and that the SLCPD were happy about having their help. I haven't seen anything else yet. @PommyMommy might have a link?

The FBI is often brought in to handle the analysis of evidence and phone/digital data. They have the manpower and expertise that most local police departments lack.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

I have a few pages to catch up. Sorry I’m advance if this has been asked.

Can someone point me to her Twitter?

Does anyone have a shareable link stating where she stayed or who she stayed with while in California at her grandmothers funeral?

Has anyone cross referenced the local sex offenders with her friends on Facebook?

Any lifestyle similarities with recent disappearances or deaths in the area?

 

[wary]

I can imagine, since 9/11, that such things like in-flight use of wi-fi is logged and kept for some period of time. From such records they should be able to identify her phone and isolate the records for her usage. They should be able to use the IP address destinations of any data send/receive and be able to identify the App being used. From that a warrant to the App company should allow them to find out the user on the other side of any communications and the ip address for that user's device. From there they should be able to work that backwards to where that device was. If they keep working it back there is a more than reasonable chance of identifying the other party.

This would take some time to do since it would involve several warrants, one after the other.

The same process can be applied to the airport wi-fi - SLC, LAX or both.

Use of plane wi-fi might make it easier to hunt down a burner phone?

 

[LietKynes]

Marking my spot.
Hoping for good news today !

 

[Roadette]

Either the cops are being coy saying they have absolutely nothing from her phone so far or she definitely had a burner phone for this type of activity. Although having a burner phone doesn't make a ton of sense because she was open about the SD/SB stuff on her other public facebook accounts and her secondary Instagram that she followed with her first account. I'm thinking the cops know more than they are letting on in order to not spook the suspect and give him a false sense of security hoping he makes a mistake.

EDIT: another possibility with the burner phone is she actually wanted to disappear with this person. Which I really don't see being likely but we have to keep everything on the table at this point with the limited facts we are given.

Just trying to look at this from a different angle. Having a burner phone would make it exponentially harder for them to track down who she arranged the meet up and I honestly don't think she has one but if she does it is going to be a huge struggle for cops.

Unless there are facts that show otherwise - a burner phone doesn't seem likely, to me. There are so many ways to manage and separate communication on one device... who would want to lug around and pay for a 2nd phone?

You don’t have to carry a second burner phone anymore. There is an app called “burner” which is like Google Voice, completely separate from linking to any Google account, which requires no information to set up. You can run a second line (or in my case 2 business lines simultaneously) directly from your single phone.

The downside is all the telephone provider’s use will show is data usage. They would need to determine what app was used and issue a separate warrant for the data.

 

[MsBetsy]

I don't know/remember where that came from. A video interview? I dunno.

Apparently from a poster who knows the family, if I remember correctly. I'm not sure it can be considered fact. I don't know how they could possibly know she was not in Utah. LE can't even identify the vehicle so how could it have been tracked?
Maybe it was speculation based on what LE said in the beginning as to her not having been in the area (park) for long. Imo

 

[MesquiteO21]

Does anyone know why just the still pictures from the airport were released and not the video?

 

[ZhaZhaHa]

Also remember, a person on a SD/SB website probably does not have to qualify to be on the site, meaning he could lie just to have the chance to meet. A woman in her early 20's is a prime target, she may not have a lot of experience with men or people in general, and she may be a lot more trusting than a woman in her 30's+. I remember me in my 20's and think about a few things and cringe.

This terrifies me. How fast did things go sideways when she got in the car? As her Lyft is happily driving away? Were there door handles? Child locks? Ugg.

 

[poppydarling]

Bringing this post forward from the last thread:

(Link in progress)
poppydarling said: ↑

“I know there is a lot of chatter about SB/SD/the sugar lifestyle. I wanted to clear up a few things as it is becoming more relevant to the case potentially.


First, a sugar lifestyle is NOT considered to be the same as sex work. Calling Kenzie, or any sugar baby, a sex worker is a misnomer and very problematic. There is a difference in terms of consent and agreed upon exchange. Calling anyone in the sugar lifestyle a “hooker,” “prostitute,” “escort,” or any term related to these is not appropriate. A sugar baby and the sugar lifestyle should really be considered a consensual exchange relationship.


An exchange relationship is pretty similar to a traditional relationship, but with a few understood and agreed upon exchanges. Typically for sugar babies this means engaging in consensual relationships with older men (or women but typically men). This does NOT always include sexual intercourse. It can include companionship, friendship, support, and/or accompanied with sexual behaviors. Just to be clear: sex is commonly NOT the driving force of these relationship (statistics put this at over 70% non sexual at statistical significance).


*If* we are going to discuss Kenzie and her participation in the sugar lifestyle, it should be done so as it if were her having a relationship with an older man. Nothing else. She is an adult. She entered relationships with consent and awareness. Nothing to this point indicates ANY sex work or even sexual deviance. She appears to have exchange based relationships. Which frankly many of us have to some degree. Any shaming or name calling, including calling her names of other sex working positions, should not be tolerated as there is ZERO evidence of Kenzie participating in any of that.


Sex workers often have someone that is their boss (slang we say pimp) that they report to and takes a cut of their income. Income often exchanged via sexual relations ONLY with no regard for emotional support or consideration. Sugar babies do not have this same structure. They do not work for anyone. They engage in this lifestyle for their own personal choice and walk away with their own exchanges without the need to cut anyone in. There is often emotional consideration and personal autonomy is retained. In Kenzie’s case, this is clearly demonstrated in her posted from twelve weeks ago. The emotional consideration was highly important to her and indicates she was not working with any boss/handler/pimp. This alone indicates she is not, and has not to our knowledge, been engaged in sex work.


I am happy to answer any questions about this lifestyle/relationship status/possible mentality but I will only do so if approached respectably for both Kenzie and the lifestyle.“

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My first response to the above:

“Just to be clear: sex is commonly NOT the driving force of these relationship (statistics put this at over 70% non sexual at statistical significance).”

“70% nonsexual”??? I find it very hard to believe that 70% of the men don’t expect sex??

That statistic doesn’t mean that those men don’t have sexual contact with their SB, or others. It is talking about the DRIVING FORCE Behind these relationships. I apologize if the wording made that difficult to unpack for anyone. The driving force is typically more related to companionship/self esteem outcomes and not sexual outcomes. That isn’t to say that sex doesn’t come into play or isn’t something that is a variable in these relationship. Just that they aren’t* sex based relationships, usually.

 

[ardean]

IMO it's definitely possible. Also IMO, sites like these are the perfect opportunity for predators and creeps to prey on young women.

If this is true and they used a social connection site like tinder they would have had to verify adult status or pay for a membership I would think and the LE would have already built a suspect and likely already knows everything about "him". I think she probably was smart enough to know the riskiness of non verified sites like just a personals site or craigs list. I stopped thinking dark on these types of missing cases after the Jayme Closs where I was sure she was dead and was found safe from her own merit/escape. I pray ML is found safe also.

 

[tacostacostacos]

Why do we care if she was/wasn't dressed up to go meet somebody? Jeans/leggings and a t-shirt are fine for a first date, second date, whatever. Things are a lot different now. Her confidence is what's sexy, she wouldn't necessarily need to get all dressed up. I'd also assume she agreed to stay the night and she had a full suitcase, so..

I think like all the information that has been discussed, it could lead to information about what happened and who she was with.

If we know anything from persons in previous relationships with her (she dressed up/not) it could help LE narrow who she was in contact with (someone she connected with recently vs someone whose contact would have a longer trail). What seem to be small details to us could in fact be just enough to trigger the difference in effort/who gets investigated first by LE. Her attire could give an idea about which person she was with (there could be messages if it was a prior acquaintance about expectations in the relationships - appearance or attire could be a component.)

Not sure if that was clear...sorry.

 

[Teche]

They do not. Youngest either just graduated from high school and is 18 or graduated last year and is 19. The 21-yr old son lives at home, also, and the older son does not.

Thanks for the information.

 

[liltexans]

MOD NOTE

STOP debating whether SD/SB relationships involve some sex, only involve sex, or never involve sex. Good grief, we seem to have an awful lot of of sex-obsessed, pearl clutching, sanctimonious posters on this thread. If Kenzie's purported life choices are so personally offensive to some members, then perhaps you should not be following this case. We have thousands of other cases that do not involve the sugar lifestyle or sex. This thread is about a missing woman. It doesn't matter if she has sex with every person she meets or none of the people she meets. She is an adult.

We are a victim-friendly forum and our purpose is not to convince people that SD/SB relationships are wrong or that using dating apps are wrong, etc.

We need to figure out where Kenzie is now. If a sugar daddy kidnapped her or killed her, that is no different than if a stranger jumped out of the bushes and attacked her. Who cares if it was a sugar daddy? Go ahead and assume it was a sugar daddy that she met. Okay, now how do we find her?

Timeouts will be issued and warning points will continue to be handed out if members cannot comprehend this. We also require that all verified members (insiders and professionals) are treated with respect. Do not act snarky towards them on the thread.

 

[Inthedetails]

After she picked up her luggage, which likely contains beauty supplies, perhaps she stopped at the restroom and spruced up her hair and makeup. If she did that, and took off the long sweater so just wearing the peace t-shirt she was described as wearing and the black pants, I think she'd look "date ready."

I'm still leaning toward the unknown person being someone either new in her life or a first-time encounter. She trusted him because she described herself as experienced in these encounters and likely felt confident that the dates go well.

jmo

 

[diggndeeperstill]

You don’t have to carry a second burner phone anymore. There is an app called “burner” which is like Google Voice, completely separate from linking to any Google account, which requires no information to set up. You can run a second line (or in my case 2 business lines simultaneously) directly from your single phone.

The downside is all the telephone provider’s use will show is data usage. They would need to determine what app was used and issue a separate warrant for the data.

The only reason I see the phone as a possibility is that someone gave it to her to use. Maybe they want to control what phone number they themselves are dialing. I.e concerned about a secretary, or wife seeing them call a strange number repeatedly.

 

[PommyMommy]

FBI always provides assistance when requested. I don't think I've ever heard of them turning anyone down. Has anyone ever heard of FBI not assisting when asked?

Nope.