UT -Susan Powell, 28, West Valley City, 6 Dec 2009 - #2

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JennaLee said:
Another side note:

I've got to give Susan's family and friends credit! None of them seem to be down-talking Josh, other than one Rachel who mentioned a "falling out" she had personally had with Josh as well as the fact that Susan and Josh had previously had some problems. And still, she never points her finger at Josh and screams, "MURDERER!"
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14000824

I think Susan's family is taking the high road for now, and I certainly respect that. I haven't seen any videos of her father until the one just posted in this thread and it's absolutely heart-wrenching. I'm sure he suspects so much more than he lets on, but for right now I think it's smart that they are just watching and waiting. Once you outright accuse a family member of murder, it's not really something you can take back. Not easily anyway.
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That article brought some great new information. The new stuff below... Mahalo...

Marini's husband, Tim, met Joshua Powell in 1999 at the singles ward in Tacoma, Wash. The couples were close until Rachel Marini had a falling out with Joshua Powell during a road trip from Utah to Washington several years ago.

However, the Marinis stayed close with Susan via Facebook. Over the past year or so, Susan told the couple the relationship "was still pretty bad, but that for the first time, Susan started standing up for herself," Rachel Marini said.

While Joshua Powell went to church sporadically, Susan Powell insisted on taking the children to church each week. And during the past year, despite their financial straits, she also bought them a few Christmas presents.

"Josh didn't like it, but he was letting her do it," Rachel Marini said.

Susan Powell openly discussed the trying year the couple had in 2008 during meetings at her church, where she served as a secretary in the Relief Society.

"Church was a big part of her life. It gave her a sense of feeling needed," said Stephanie Olson, a neighbor and fellow ward member. "A lot of people really loved her and needed her there."
 
Something is definately up, IMO. The decision to not give any interviews unless there is a 'major break' in Susans disappearance, tells me that her family and friends already know the worst and its a matter of time until LE
serves the arrest warrant. I think LE telling the media that JP is person of interest, is putting it mildly and what was told to the family was much more explicit and that they told the family yesterday that JP killed her, and that they didn't believe there was any chance that she would be coming back alive.

HLN is replaying parts of the interview with Susans sister on NBC this morning.
"They (the family) are trying to convince themselves that the worst did not happen." I really believe that LE told the family what they think, but not why they think this, and that they are 98% certain Susan will not return.

Kirk Graves - JP's bro in law talking with Shepard Smith. KG is saying it doesn't sound good. He is definately concerned for Susan, but won't go to
the end that JP had anything to do with her disappearance. Believes that LE is doing everything they need to do. If the finger points at JP, then so be it. What JP says doesn't make sense. JP is not saying anything to anyone and he did not PUSH him for answers to the questions we all have. KG 'has many relationships within the family that he has to protect'. Shep got pushy with him asking if media interviews of Josh made any sense to him, and he tried to defend him saying that the media interview (one where he ended it by saying he had to get his kids) shown was done 2 days after Susans disappearance and that JP was really broken up over it.

I am so hoping that KG is holding out because he is looking out for the best interest of the kids. Susans family must just be besides themselves. My prayers go out to them.
 
I've just read some interesting local coverage in the Puyallup area.

A few articles are popping up fed by a statement from the sleazy defense attorney. They are noting that Josh submitted to the DNA test and not noting the pertinent fact that it took a court order to accomplish this. Hmmm...now why would the defense attorney try and sway the public into believing Josh is cooperating, when LE has noted in the press quite the opposite?

The attorney knows LE isn't swayed by these statements. Which means the attorney is starting a PR campaign to sway public opinion. To me, that screams that he knows Joshy boy is about to be fitted with a new wardrobe, something bright orange. He's speaking to the jury pool.
 
oh_gal said:
What if he unplugged the phones (hid her cell phone, or took the battery out) before he left so even if she woke up, they'd be useless.
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I think (or at least hope) this is something the police would have noticed when they broke in to investigate possible carbon monoxide poisoning.

One statement that's been driving me nuts is how some articles keep claiming Susan's car was home while Josh was gone. From my understanding they shared one vehicle, a van. I wish the media would get their facts straight before publishing, but then again, I do understand they are only going on whatever info they have and can release.
 
DomCasual said:
Let me give you a little Mormon perspective on this.

Mormons don't really believe in hell, per se - at least not in a way that most Christian religions believe in it. Mormons, instead, believe in varying degrees of heaven. That's a relatively-complicated proposition, that probably none of you want to spend a lot of time on.

There is something called Outer Darkness in which Mormons believe. It is reserved for a select few individuals. People like Judas would be there, probably. By definition, it is considered a place for those who have committed unpardonable or unforgivable sin - usually sins against the Holy Ghost. Some Mormons speculate that certain murder is an unforgivable sin, since there can be no restitution in murder (how do you give a person their mortal life back?).

Certainly, Outer Darkness or no, killing ones spouse is not going to bode very well on Josh's eternal future, according to his beliefs. Now, I realize he hasn't been to church all that much of late, according to reports. But I know a lot of LDS people like that. They don't lose testimonies, necessarily. But they have a hard time keeping up with the somewhat onerous process of being an active member of the church (heck, I go at least a little inactive sometimes during football season - but I'm working on it :innocent:), and so they just stop going regularly. My guess is that he falls in that category, as he hasn't left the church entirely.

So, I've thought a lot of what that might have been like on Sunday. My personal guess, if I had to offer one, is that he killed her accidentally with drugs. I don't know why he would drug her - who knows? But maybe, he's sitting there in church, and the full weight of what he's done comes crashing down. In that case, those tears would be sincere - the way a condemned murderer might cry sincere tears as he is approaching the execution chamber. They feel sorry - but it's more sorry for themselves than anything.
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Psychopaths do not feel sorry for anyone except themselves... I do think he's feeling something but it's not remorse for killing Susan. For a psychopath, the only feeling would be remorse for getting caught.

It was no "accident".

Of course he was "inactive". He knew Susan was confiding in her bishop and other church members. He thought taking her away from her family and moving her to Utah close to his family would take the life out of her, but it didn't. He would have to do that himself....
 
What does it mean when it says, "she had started talking openly at church about her marriage"? Does it mean with just a few close friends are was she talking about it to a group of people.? Also, the male neighbor seems to have been a confidant of Susan. He knows a lot about her marriage. Says she wasn't allowed on the computer, etc. Sounds like she was letting a lot of people know that something was very wrong....Josh couldn't have been too happy about that! Maybe he overheard her saying something to the dinner guest....and got mad.
 
Amster said:
What does it mean when it says, "she had started talking openly at church about her marriage"? Does it mean with just a few close friends are was she talking about it to a group of people.? Also, the male neighbor seems to have been a confidant of Susan. He knows a lot about her marriage. Says she wasn't allowed on the computer, etc. Sounds like she was letting a lot of people know that something was very wrong....Josh couldn't have been too happy about that! Maybe he overheard her saying something to the dinner guest....and got mad.
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What male neighbor? I did not read that anywhere - where can I find that conversation?:waitasec:
 
Amster said:
What does it mean when it says, "she had started talking openly at church about her marriage"? Does it mean with just a few close friends are was she talking about it to a group of people.? Also, the male neighbor seems to have been a confidant of Susan. He knows a lot about her marriage. Says she wasn't allowed on the computer, etc. Sounds like she was letting a lot of people know that something was very wrong....Josh couldn't have been too happy about that! Maybe he overheard her saying something to the dinner guest....and got mad.
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I think with a guy like Josh it couldn't have been one incident. He had to be planning this for awhile.

I can't believe he was THAT Controlling she was not even allowed on the computer. What a S.O.B. I'm happy the police are now classifying him as a P.O.I.

I feel very sorry for Susan that she was putting up with this psyco. She deserved better.

Gozgals
 
Hln channel just said that police suspect foul play and are now treating the case as a criminal investigation. Per an AP report.
 
In my heart I do not feel that this was premediated either. Josh doesn't seem like the "planner" type. As others have stated if planned then he came up with the most ludicrous alibi ever.

Have considered that the friend JoVonna may have stayed too long for his liking?
Or, yes, that he overheard Susan sharing something with her that did not make him happy.

That he had to actually make dinner himself due to their guest's overstay, and that really ticked him off, and started a chain of events.
 
SusanB said:
What male neighbor? I did not read that anywhere - where can I find that conversation?:waitasec:
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Seems like a nice older guy. Like a mentor or father figure. I have a neighbor a lot like him and I just love him like a dad.

http://www.abc4.com/content/news/to...West-Valley-woman/uyFIRnZ2KkOW4IlArsxzvA.cspx

ETA: The article refers to him as a "friend" but I believe he was also their neighbor. I remember guessing him to be in his fifties, so by "older" I meant older enough than Josh or Susan to be not be considered a peer.

ETA Again: This one gives better info on him being a neighbor and has a photo. http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=8986844

ETA X 3: I beat Texas Mist in posting the links, but don't tell her that.:angel:
 
JennaLee said:
I think (or at least hope) this is something the police would have noticed when they broke in to investigate possible carbon monoxide poisoning.

One statement that's been driving me nuts is how some articles keep claiming Susan's car was home while Josh was gone. From my understanding they shared one vehicle, a van. I wish the media would get their facts straight before publishing, but then again, I do understand they are only going on whatever info they have and can release.
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I read in one article where Mr. Cox said Susan's purse & cell phone were found on the bed.

Sooo, if Susan was *in* bed, did Joshy put the purse & cell phone on the bed? Or was Susan awake that evening, arguing w/ Josh & about to leave w/ the kids to 'cool off' when he lost it?

After all, Owings said Susan went to lie down because she didn't feel good, and Josh said (depending on which report to believe) that he last saw Susan getting ready for bed....so -- why was her purse & cellphone on the bed?
 
Amster said:
What does it mean when it says, "she had started talking openly at church about her marriage"? Does it mean with just a few close friends are was she talking about it to a group of people.? Also, the male neighbor seems to have been a confidant of Susan. He knows a lot about her marriage. Says she wasn't allowed on the computer, etc. Sounds like she was letting a lot of people know that something was very wrong....Josh couldn't have been too happy about that! Maybe he overheard her saying something to the dinner guest....and got mad.
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What I read said she openly talked about it in her meetings. To me, that means that she probably spoke about it during Fast and Testimony Meetings (to everyone). And probably tackfully talked about it oh so lightly. Oh, how my heart breaks. You know with abused women, the first place they go for support and help is their church leadership. I am POSITIVE Susan did this.

My X husband had been brought before "Church Court" for abuse charges with his previous wife. A council of 12 lay church male leaders (with families of their own and jobs in mainly upper level management, medicine, law {same as the X husband} or high level government) got to only hear the accused husband's side of the story. Part of the council would only state the wive's perspective without her there. They could not prove abuse even though the wife had been dealing with "control" issues for years and had a professional counselor. They didn't equate "control" with "abuse". So he had his temple recommend taken away from him for a year while he went through "repentance". After this she left him and he proceeded to find his next victim (me). The church never told me about his "control" issues. My bishop would later tell me that he took one look at me at our wedding reception and knew husband would never be able to "control" me. I was also told that the church would not tell a prospective wife about church discipline unless they were asked specifically by the woman. The bishop dropped the ball on this issue time after time. Even when I walked into the house and overheard a conversation husband was having with his brother where he said "I want to kill her", the bishop insisted that I let husband stay at the house, etc. etc. I could go on and on. But what I am trying to say is that Susan went to family, friends and church for support and learned, sadly enough, she was on her own. She needed the support (emotionally, spiritually and financially) from the church but was not getting it. Any "domestic" issues would be looked at as if there were two sides to the story by people that do not have ANY training in Domestic Violence. This should be a wake up call.... First Lori Hacking and now Susan Powell... and how many do we never hear about unless their husband finally murders them.... It's a sin and it needs to come out of the closet and be spoken about... LDS Family Services and their professional counselors need to learn more about domestic violence and they need to start training the church leadership to recognize abuse and get the victim appropriate services and safety.

I know this is not just a Mormon issue. All churches, mosques and temples need to start paying attention to this sin of ommission...
 
As I see it, Susan's family is backing away from Josh. So are Susan's friends.
Josh had not been going to church and I don't think they will support him, considering what Susan has told her church group.

To me, Josh has had it good. Susan worked, had a career, probably took care of the kids most of the time, the house. She had a garden, baked her own bread.
Josh had several jobs over the years. None lasted too long.

Josh also got to have the say in the marriage/family. Maybe because of their Mormon faith. Josh says Susan cannot be on the computer, she can't talk with certain friends. She defies him to take the children to church.
She is seriously thinking of leaving him.

Now, after he either drugged her and she died accidentally or he planned her death,
he is A L O N E.
He has no one to shield him, no one who will allow him to be king of the hill, he is out
there, exposed, in the cold, for all to see.
(just as he probably left susan).

I don't think he can handle it.
I think he will crack.
Maybe like Mark Hacking did.
 
omegagal said:
Psychopaths do not feel sorry for anyone except themselves... I do think he's feeling something but it's not remorse for killing Susan. For a psychopath, the only feeling would be remorse for getting caught.

It was no "accident".

Of course he was "inactive". He knew Susan was confiding in her bishop and other church members. He thought taking her away from her family and moving her to Utah close to his family would take the life out of her, but it didn't. He would have to do that himself....
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Well, you're preaching to the choir. In saying that it was an accident, I'm not suggesting he's not guilty. I'm saying that I don't know he really intended to kill her. I could see a scenario where he wanted to do inappropriate things with her sexually, and drugging her was the way he intended to do it. It went wrong - he gave her too much, or a lethal combination - and she died. He freaked out, and everything that happened afterwards was his attempt at covering it up.

From what everyone is saying, he sounds like he's a much more gregarious person than he's appeared in the few media interactions he's had since Susan turned up missing. I just don't think he's as dumb as he appears in these bizarre interviews. And I find it hard to believe that a person with any intelligence could premeditatedly come up with such an incredibly-lame story to try and get away with murder. That's why I kind of think this was the best he could do with the situation, as it existed the moment he found her dead.

And I hope you read my point about his tears. You sounded a little defensive, but then you basically reiterated the point I had made - that any tears he shed were for his own sorry lot in life, and not because he, in some way, misses his wife. The point I made about his Mormon background was simply to show how sitting in Sacrament meeting, it probably hit him that he had done something that had irreparably ruined his eternal future. Any tears shed would be from that realization - nothing more.

Anyway, maybe I misread your defensiveness? From what I've read from you, you and I have very similar feelings about Josh Powell. I wouldn't ever defend him, because what he's done makes me almost literally sick. But I am interested in what happened, and why it happened. My post was simply to give a little perspective on his LDS background.
 
MEDIA RELEASE 12/16/09 11:30 AM PST from Shelby Gifford, Cox family spokesperson

The Cox family was informed this morning that Joshua Powell has been named a person of interest in the disappearance of his wife, Susan Powell. We appreciate the thorough work of the WVCPD and have not changed our position on granting interviews today as a result of this announcement.

Additionally, Susan's friends in the Salt Lake City area and in Washington are also refraining from granting media interviews today, aside from interviews that were already scheduled as of yesterday.

Please respect the privacy of the family. We will be holding a press conference tomorrow, Thursday, December 17th, in the Seattle area at a time TBA to make a statement and address your questions.

On behalf of the Cox family, we thank you for yoru patience and understanding.
 
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