VA - Amy Bradley, 23, Petersburg, 24 March 1998 - #2 - ***READ FIRST POST***

[Jersey*Girl]

Doesn't the US have a military base on Curacou?
I could be mistaken

I think so but it's the ship itself that I was talking about. It was def there for a drug recon, i think 1-2 years... Maybe I'm just thinking too deep into it, ya know? For some reason I'm just not buying it though.

 

[masootz]

Still totally cold hearted IMO.

But then again, the US was going to shoot down the plane that landed in Shanksville PA if it hadn't crashed bc of the level of threat with being under attack at the time during 9/11. So would the US authorize blowing cover to only save 1 life when navy dude saw her? Idk. I'm up in the air but leaning toward them not allowing it. Then again, maybe it really is the truth that they didn't know, & that the naval guy didn't really think anything nefarious til he saw that People magazine. Although, I do find it ironic his ship wasn't there anymore when he did have this epiphany of seeing Amy.

think about if you were in his shoes. you're on shore duty, you go to a place you know is off limits, so you're obviously aware it's sketchy. a chick comes up to you and starts telling you she needs help - i'd immediately think it was a ploy to get me alone somewhere to rob me or worse. i'd probably finish up my drink and get out of there. it just seems like the kind of con game that would happen in a place like that. i don't know that i'd go back and report it to my CO, risking punishment, risking my wife having questions about what i was doing, etc. that seems like the simplest explanation to me (and also basically the explanation the guy gave).

 

[Cltguy49]

One other coincidence in the SF sighting, her Dads company meeting was there the week she was seen IIRC. (just checked this is incorrect information)

Also, if she is being used for Breeding, why the pictures? The breeding angle just doesn't sit well with me, yes she was all American looking but most people want blonde hair blue eye or green eyed children, Amy had brown hair didn't have a slender build, she was fairly muscular. And again, there were many people on that cruise, why single out Amy, especially if she didn't stand out? And if she was taken for breeding she's coming to a point where she isn't going to be useful.

She would also need excellent medical care, from what I understand the Caribbean wouldn't be my first choice for getting her good care. JMO

 

[Dushi]

]]One other coincidence in the SF sighting, her Dads company meeting was there the week she was seen IIRC.[/B] [/B]
Also, if she is being used for Breeding, why the pictures? The breeding angle just doesn't sit well with me, yes she was all American looking but most people want blonde hair blue eye or green eyed children, Amy had brown hair didn't have a slender build, she was fairly muscular. And again, there were many people on that cruise, why single out Amy, especially if she didn't stand out? And if she was taken for breeding she's coming to a point where she isn't going to be useful.

She would also need excellent medical care, from what I understand the Caribbean wouldn't be my first choice for getting her good care. JMO

Is this a fact?

 

[Sillybilly]

Okay ... outside the box here

Part of my sleuthing on the missing/murdered women in Canada extends into the realm of human trafficking. Two possibilities:

There is a young girl who disappeared a few years ago. I am aware that on the same day that child disappeared, a pretty, late 30s female associated with o/c and my POI , flew from the province where the child disappeared from to Vancouver. The trip was paid for by someone else. The reasons given for the trip proved to be untrue. The trip was a quick turnaround, and the woman had a lot of CASH at the end of the trip (a lot of cash for her, but not necessarily a huge amount of $$). This is strictly circumstantial and I have no proof of anything beyond that, but I believe the woman may have been a courier to deliver the child.

Is it possible that ALB's age, demeanour, and overall appearance is such that she could be viewed as the all-American "mother" type .. above reproach in accompanying a child that is to be delivered into the hands of human traffickers. She is an asset as a procurer, a decoy, a courier in child *advertiser censored* circles.

Secondly, as part of my research, I believe i am well into social media of o/c rings involved in HT in Canada (and I will never know for sure because the powers that be would never tell me one way or another ). One thing that stands out to me are the extensive overseas contacts of some of these individuals, and in particular, contacts that appear wealthy (or at least project themselves as such). I have strongly considered that Jessie Foster may have been sold into servitude of some wealthy foreign element. In Amy's case, that might explain the man who appeared to be watching/studying her on the cruise, and her being accompanied by a couple of men who controlled her during the outings/sightings.

For safety reasons, I can't give much more by way of specifics as it relates to my research.

ETA: I moved "She is an asset as a procurer, a decoy, a courier in child *advertiser censored* circles" to the previous paragraph as it did not relate to the "wealthy foreign element" aspect of my post.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

think about if you were in his shoes. you're on shore duty, you go to a place you know is off limits, so you're obviously aware it's sketchy. a chick comes up to you and starts telling you she needs help - i'd immediately think it was a ploy to get me alone somewhere to rob me or worse. i'd probably finish up my drink and get out of there. it just seems like the kind of con game that would happen in a place like that. i don't know that i'd go back and report it to my CO, risking punishment, risking my wife having questions about what i was doing, etc. that seems like the simplest explanation to me (and also basically the explanation the guy gave).

Still not buying it at all & here's why... Drugs are prevalent in the Caribbean, most are legal. Prostitution is prevalent & definitely legal there. Crime is rampant there just like most major cities anywhere. However, the money laundering cannot be matched anywhere else except for Germany, therefore its hard to curb these same activities - especially when gambling coincides with it all.

Having said that, this navy guy was in a hotel that was known to have prostitution - well so what, just about all the hotels there do lol. He says he went there for a drink - almost all the hotels have bars in them there. He was in an area known to have drug lords and/or sales - yeah so, it's everywhere there. So needless to say I don't think he'd have gotten in trouble by his wife or his commanding officer bc everyplace in any given area in that particular location is known & proven to have prostitutes & drugs. Married or not, what's the guy supposed to do...stay on the ship the entire time he's stationed there? Once stepping off that ship there's a 95% chance he'd run into a hooker or drugs IMO, so how could it truly be held against him? Hard for me to buy into that. He wasn't at the Vatican, he was in the Caribbean. Kwim? It's weird that he'd use the excuse that he was married & afraid he'd get in trouble both with his wife and his commanding officer.

 

[Sillybilly]

the notion that she could have been used to help facilitate the transfer of children on the black market makes more sense to me than most of the other options. it would also give a realistic explanation for san francisco. even if she's not the mother of any of the children, having an american with you when you attempt to do these illegal adoptions is likely to significantly increase your chance of finding someone willing to deal with your criminal organization. i could also think of several easy ways to get her to go along with things and not blow your cover (such as "if you screw this up we kill the kid"). it's an "out there" theory but it fits much of what we know.

Masootz ... i was typing my last post and hadn't seen that you were posting in the very same vein. Maybe it's a sign?

 

[Cltguy49]

Is this a fact?

I was wrong, I edited my post. :blushing:

 

[Dushi]

OK, so unlike Aruba, Curacou has legal prostitution everywhere?
The whole island has legal prostitution?

 

[Jersey*Girl]

One other coincidence in the SF sighting, her Dads company meeting was there the week she was seen IIRC.

Also, if she is being used for Breeding, why the pictures? The breeding angle just doesn't sit well with me, yes she was all American looking but most people want blonde hair blue eye or green eyed children, Amy had brown hair didn't have a slender build, she was fairly muscular. And again, there were many people on that cruise, why single out Amy, especially if she didn't stand out? And if she was taken for breeding she's coming to a point where she isn't going to be useful.

She would also need excellent medical care, from what I understand the Caribbean wouldn't be my first choice for getting her good care. JMO

Re my bold

Bc maybe the buyer or the liaison was on the ship as well, therefore he could view many people - including Amy being with the people that genetically produced her - therefore the buyer would know the gene pool she hailed from. I'd be curious to know how many people the Bradley's had somewhat a little more than private conversations with on that cruise ship. Is there anyone in particular they shared conversations with regarding their children, bragging rights & what have you?

 

[Cltguy49]

Holy craaaaap! Read this.....Especially about Yellow having a 13 year old daughter...Amy has been missing 13 years

http://www.truecrimediva.com/2012/09/evil-at-sea-disappearance-of-amy-bradley.html

 

[Jersey*Girl]

OK, so unlike Aruba, Curacou has legal prostitution everywhere?
The whole island has legal prostitution?

No, didn't mean for it to be taken out of context & that's my fault for how I worded it. They have legal brothels with limited time each escort is permitted to sell their "wares". However, most hotels, if not all, have and/or easily obtain permits allowing such prostitutes to frequent their establishments. That's why I said it legal. It's prevalent everywhere in that area. Hope this makes more sense.

 

[Cltguy49]

Re my bold

Bc maybe the buyer or the liaison was on the ship as well, therefore he could view many people - including Amy being with the people that genetically produced her - therefore the buyer would know the gene pool she hailed from. I'd be curious to know how many people the Bradley's had somewhat a little more than private conversations with on that cruise ship. Is there anyone in particular they shared conversations with regarding their children, bragging rights & what have you?

I like your way of thinking, that is completely plausible!

 

[Sillybilly]

OK, so unlike Aruba, Curacou has legal prostitution everywhere?
The whole island has legal prostitution?

FWIW, just yesterday (I think it was on the internationalcruise site) a poster indicated they had been on a cruise, and that when the ship landed in Curacao, the brothels are right as you step off the ramp.

 

[Dushi]

No, didn't mean for it to be taken out of context & that's my fault for how I worded it. They have legal brothels with limited time each escort is permitted to sell their "wares". However, most hotels, if not all, have and/or easily obtain permits allowing such prostitutes to frequent their establishments. Genes why I said it legal. It's prevalent everywhere in that area. Hope this makes more sense.

Sure, no problem

Aruba also has legalized prostitution IN ONE AREA of the Island
If a girl is working outside of that area, she will be arrested and deported
A customer must go to them, they are not legally allowed to solicite anywhere outside of the legal area


I only mention this because the sailor chose a bar/brothel and I thought the laws were the same as in Aruba, where he would have had choices whether to go to a bar OR a brothel

 

[Sillybilly]

Re my bold

Bc maybe the buyer or the liaison was on the ship as well, therefore he could view many people - including Amy being with the people that genetically produced her - therefore the buyer would know the gene pool she hailed from. I'd be curious to know how many people the Bradley's had somewhat a little more than private conversations with on that cruise ship. Is there anyone in particular they shared conversations with regarding their children, bragging rights & what have you?

Would be interesting to know if the dates/locations of Amy's sightings coincided with any missing children in the area. Not that there was an Amy sighting, but my mind skipped to Madelaine McCann as an example. If I was to see a female like Amy with a beautiful young child like Madelaine, I wouldn't give it another thought, other than "what a cute mother and child".

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Sure, no problem

Aruba also has legalized prostitution IN ONE AREA of the Island
If a girl is working outside of that area, she will be arrested and deported
A customer must go to them, they are not legally allowed to solicite anywhere outside of the legal area


I only mention this because the sailor chose a bar/brothel and I thought the laws were the same as in Aruba, where he would have had choices whether to go to a bar OR a brothel

Such a sad world when we have to discuss areas that have legalized prostitution, isn't it?

Side note: There's a place in the states that has legal prostitution as well.

 

[Dushi]

Such a sad world when we have to discuss areas that have legalized prostitution, isn't it?

Side note: There's a place in the states that has legal prostitution as well.

Yes there are places in the US as well

Personally I am not so sure its sad that it exists
I mean it is the oldest profession and if legal, I feel there is more control over health and safety

as long as there is demand, there will be supply

However, none of this pertains to this case

 

[Sillybilly]

Just remembered that Madelaine's parents were at an apartment arranged by an Ocean Club tour company out of England:

The Portuguese media reported that the PJ were pursuing two lines of investigation: an abduction by an international paedophile network or an abduction by an adoption network.[33][34][35] On 18 October 2007, British forensic scientist Professor David Barclay of Robert Gordon University[36] was reported as saying the layout of the complex made it 'a pervert's paradise'.[37]

from:
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Madeleine_McCann"]Disappearance of Madeleine McCann - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Yes there are places in the US as well

Personally I am not so sure its sad that it exists
I mean it is the oldest profession and if legal, I feel there is more control over health and safety

as long as there is demand, there will be supply

However, none of this pertains to this case

Actually I tend to agree with that logic, except not right now bc trafficking in illegal baby/children/women sales for explicit & nefarious purposes is rampant in many countries of our world. Unless that is curbed drastically, I fear legalizing prostitution everywhere could inflate the statistics.