VA - Amy Bradley, 23, Petersburg, 24 March 1998 - #2 - ***READ FIRST POST***

[Cltguy49]

I did a quick google search of Amy Bradley and Salinja club The only thing there is FA post on here. Who saw her there?

 

[Dushi]

I am still not sure after reading at someplace how it is determined that a man named Carlos is the other man that Randolph posted a pic of.

Did this mod have a pic up?

 

[Jersey*Girl]

And here in lies the problem. There have been no sightings, no additional photo's, nothing. Quite honestly I'm not sure these pictures are Amy either, could be but some people thought the Amy Bradley selling quilts looked an awful lot like her. So where does that leave us? We looked at these pictures, tried to reconstruct what happened and keep coming up with guesses?

The only "fact" we have is that Amy didn't come home to Virginia. The probable facts are someone saw her in a restroom and someone saw her in Otrbanda. After that things go cold. I have to wonder, how do we know the pictures, if they are Amy, were taken in 2002? I don't recall who verified that date.

What are we missing?

Elepher50 told FindAmy about waybackmachine & how to use it. Elepher50 did a range date search of the AAV site on wayback but FindAmy (I think) found the pics on there in 2002. Don't know they were taken in 2002, not sure I even think that bc the quality of the photo is so bad, but they were without a doubt shown on AAV's site in 2002... This was new info to FindAmy (& I assume the Bradleys) bc the guy that posted on Hyscience found them 2004-2005 (I think I got that right, will double check). Don't know when they were taken, though...

 

[Jersey*Girl]

good points. we don't know when the pics were taken, just that they were on the web site as early as 2002 (according to "others", but more likely around 2004 (the earliest i recall finding them on waybackmachine).

Yes they are located on wayback in 2004, but also in 2002. The link is in one of these threads.

 

[neesaki]

THBOMK there are 2 verified sightings, one by the Sailor and one by the woman in the restroom, at both those sightings Amy gave her name. The sighting in SF is BELIEVED to be her but has not been verified. I beleive FA said that.

As for FA, she is a verified insider for the Bradleys she has been authorized by the Bradleys to speak for them and they have given her their thoughts and beliefs. She has never spoken to the FBI and has never said she has spoken to them, as a matter of fact, she has said numerous times the FBI has not been very forthcoming.

If it was my child that was missing and I was desperate to find her and saw a picture that very much resembled her I'd say I was certain it was! But would I be certain because I knew definitley or was it because I WANTED TO BELIEVE it was her? These pictures surfaced almost 5 years after Amy went missing.

Also FA says here that the SF sighting was verified:

Posted by FindAmy: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
At first, the San Francisco sighting left everyone scratching their heads. I can assure you, though, that it was one of the best sightings and it has been verified as accurate. Two of the artist sketches were completed from this sighting by an FBI artist. Amy was seen on April 18, 2003 at Pier 39 (Fisherman's Wharf). She was with two "handlers" as they were watching a musician on the pier. Amy was recognized, but the handlers got her out of the area before the police could get there. The handlers actually grabbed Amy and ran when they realized that she had been identified. There were many witnesses who watched this take place. There are a number of reasons why she could have been there.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Nothing makes sense unless she was truly trafficked in sexual servitude, then used for other means after the fact. Nothing at all. When I look at her pictures compared to most of the other women on the cruise (from CF's video), the pics of her on the ship seem somewhat aloof, cute but not sexy sensual hotness. Please don't take that out of context, it is what it is. So if she were taken for this purpose, then why? Could it be bc they thought she'd be intimidated by them, maybe they thought she could be easily handled? Maybe her captors were selling the "American Pie" version all innocent, athletic & smart? Drugs? Not buying it. It just doesn't make sense. Furthermore, how could she have still survived all these years in servitide?

 

[Dushi]

Dr. Phil says, "I want to show you this picture of who may very well be Amy the Bradley seven years after her disappearance. Now I want to emphasize that we discussed whether we should show this picture on the air with former FBI profiler Clint Van Zandt who has worked on many kidnapping cases. Now, Ron and Clint both agree that because this is the first lead that they've had in nearly eight years, he and Iva would like to show this picture in case this young woman is indeed Amy. Now, we have had top forensic artist experts in the country look at these pictures, and they say that it is possible that it could be Amy. "I'll tell you what. Why don't we go through the features that the experts have picked out? Now first we want to look at the cheekbones here. And what they do is they measure things that don't change in time." Dr. Phil points out similarities in her cheekbones, her hairline, her chin, and even a mark that Iva pointed out, a freckle below her eye.

"Do you believe that could be your daughter?" Dr. Phil asks Iva.

"I believe it could be Amy," she responds.


http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/2926/?id=2926&slide=4&showID=623&preview=&versionID=

 

[Sillybilly]

Found this old summary of AAV having been online since Dec 2001:

http://fifiapps.com/symbols/affordable-adult-vacations.com#carousel

It shows their original tours were out of the Dominican where a certain Canadian organized crime group is known to have established its presence there in recent years. The summary also shows it has related links to Vancouver escorts which is known to be associated with all the escort review boards in Canada. This is the 2001 Wayback on that particular site that shows how widespread their tentacles are:

http://web.archive.org/web/20010223194815/http://www.localescorts.ca/

A quick google on the locale****** brings up a hit with an obvious spelling mistake, which further shows they claim to be "owned and opperated out of Ontario":

http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&sclient...pw.r_qf.&fp=77a9610d9993fe05&biw=1280&bih=608

Trust me folks, further research in this vein is not for the faint of heart ... but we are a fearless bunch

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Masootz, I'll look for that 2002 link for you if you don't find it by the time I get back. Gotta run, sorry...

PS, I know I look crazy dissecting those pictures but the exact reason I did it is bc SoSueMe informed the pic is Amy. Seeing a chain on the bed is one thing, but seeing it on her wrist is scary & it goes against what was believed not to be. We were told Amy wasn't sold into sexual servitude, that there are other reasons for trafficking. Etc. but now I disagree & do think she could have been kidnapped for exactly that reason & then once she was out of her prime maybe she was used for far more heinous thing. Idk.

I know you don't agree with the chain thing. I appreciate everything you bring to this forum, masootz, as you have obvious technical knowledge. However, I honestly do see links under what appears to be marker on the wrist portion of the pic before it was scanned. My husband & my son saw it last night. However, they also just saw Taken 2 so it could have been in the back of their minds. It's important to note I didn't prompt them...

Have to run.

 

[masootz]

Masootz, I'll look for that 2002 link for you if you don't find it by the time I get back. Gotta run, sorry...

PS, I know I look crazy dissecting those pictures but the exact reason I did it is bc SoSueMe informed the pic is Amy. Seeing a chain on the bed is one thing, but seeing it on her wrist is scary & it goes against what was believed not to be. We were told Amy wasn't sold into sexual servitude, that there are other reasons for trafficking. Etc. but now I disagree & do think she could have been kidnapped for exactly that reason & then once she was out of her prime maybe she was used for far more heinous thing. Idk.

I know you don't agree with the chain thing. I appreciate everything you bring to this forum, masootz, as you have obvious technical knowledge. However, I honestly do see links under what appears to be marker on the wrist portion of the pic before it was scanned. My husband & my son saw it last night. However, they also just saw Taken 2 so it could have been in the back of their minds. It's important to note I didn't prompt them...

Have to run.

i believe you on the 2002 thing, the older i get the harder it is for me to remember details weeks later, but that does sound familiar. much like you, it's often difficult for me to be able to look at certain sites, but i plan to check out waybackmachine again later to see when the earliest the pic shows up.

i certainly don't think you're crazy for seeing the chain, and it's your right to come to whatever opinion you want about it. it's certainly plausible that someone had a physical copy of the picture, wrote on it (or on a piece of paper that was on top of the pic, etc), and then scanned it in, causing some of the artifacting to possibly be attributed to writing or whatever.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Found this old summary of AAV having been online since Dec 2001:

http://fifiapps.com/symbols/affordable-adult-vacations.com#carousel

It shows their original tours were out of the Dominican where a certain Canadian organized crime group is known to have established its presence there in recent years. The summary also shows it has related links to Vancouver escorts which is known to be associated with all the escort review boards in Canada. This is the 2001 Wayback on that particular site that shows how widespread their tentacles are:

http://web.archive.org/web/20010223194815/http://www.localescorts.ca/

A quick google on the locale****** brings up a hit with an obvious spelling mistake, which further shows they claim to be "owned and opperated out of Ontario":

http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&sclient...pw.r_qf.&fp=77a9610d9993fe05&biw=1280&bih=608

Trust me folks, further research in this vein is not for the faint of heart ... but we are a fearless bunch

Also look at the online casino link through wayback. It's linked with a Curaçao server but owned in Hamilton, Ca. Their specific words are:

http://web.archive.org/web/20021004000025/http://www.affordable-adult-vacations.com/services.htm#ads

Quote:
#2
Gamble with real money at the Lucky Nugget Casino (see below), Win or Lose over US$3,000
in any thirty (30) day period and you have the opportunity to spend a full day and night
(male guests) or two days and nights (female guests), with any of the world wide
escorts or entertainers, who visit our resort for business and pleasure.
Note: Your all inclusive package, already includes your regular companion for the duration of
the vacation, this offer applies only for the visiting escorts and entertainers
who usually charge extraordinary rates for their companionship.
End Quote


Wasn't that main server company (for online gambling) investigated for organized crime? I know of the Bannonno (spelling) &/or Bennedetto stuff but what about this company? Since its company was out of Isle of Man, is there no jurisdiction? There's tons of money laundering involved in online gambling sites being hosted offshore. Aruba is a huge jumping point.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Really have to go now.

 

[Cltguy49]

i believe you on the 2002 thing, the older i get the harder it is for me to remember details weeks later, but that does sound familiar. much like you, it's often difficult for me to be able to look at certain sites, but i plan to check out waybackmachine again later to see when the earliest the pic shows up.

i certainly don't think you're crazy for seeing the chain, and it's your right to come to whatever opinion you want about it. it's certainly plausible that someone had a physical copy of the picture, wrote on it (or on a piece of paper that was on top of the pic, etc), and then scanned it in, causing some of the artifacting to possibly be attributed to writing or whatever.

I see the chain and see it better on the smaller picture as oppose to the larger. This person does appear to have a chain on her wrist.

FA said they have good reason to believe that Amy wasn't sold into prostitution which is why I tend to believe this picture is doctored to perhaps have any's eyes. The biggest trouble I have with the pictures is her eyes are CLEARLY green and only one picture shows he eye color to be green.

IF Amy was sold into sexual servitude than that would make me suspect of everything we've been told thus far with the exception of two sightings people had spoken to her, the rest would be possible wishful thinking. And if she was taken for that, why would someone go to the Bradleys to take pictures and then take off? It just doesn't make sense.

That said, if this IS the case she'd be a little too old now and that doesn't bode well for her being alive. MOO

 

[Cltguy49]

I'm being contrary I know.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Amy wanted to go back to college for her Masters in Sports Psychology. Right? Could anything she's learned in college be helping her to survive right now? Did she sub major in accounting, like maybe as a fallback in case her job search didn't go well?

 

[Cltguy49]

Amy wanted to go back to college for her Masters in Sports Psychology. Right? Could anything she's learned in college be helping her to survive right now? Did she sub major in accounting, like maybe as a fallback in case her job search didn't go well?

I do recall something about accounting so it's entirely possible they found a use for her with money. She could be so entrenched in this underworld that it's easier for her to go with what they say than to fight it, that would also speak to her psychology background.

If she is still alive I would hazard a guess she looks NOTHING like she did when taken and nothing like the pictures the FBI has of her. Quite frankly she could be completely caught up in all this and is being paid very well and living the life of crime the best way she knows how. (Patty Hearst comes to mind again)

What needs to be done is an age progression that would take into consideration the stress she was/is under. But they should have various pictures of her, long hair, short hair, tanned, thinner, heavier, etc. But who will do that is beyond me

 

[Randolph2911]

Found this old summary of AAV having been online since Dec 2001:

http://fifiapps.com/symbols/affordable-adult-vacations.com#carousel

It shows their original tours were out of the Dominican where a certain Canadian organized crime group is known to have established its presence there in recent years. The summary also shows it has related links to Vancouver escorts which is known to be associated with all the escort review boards in Canada. This is the 2001 Wayback on that particular site that shows how widespread their tentacles are:

http://web.archive.org/web/20010223194815/http://www.localescorts.ca/

A quick google on the locale****** brings up a hit with an obvious spelling mistake, which further shows they claim to be "owned and opperated out of Ontario":

http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&sclient...pw.r_qf.&fp=77a9610d9993fe05&biw=1280&bih=608

Trust me folks, further research in this vein is not for the faint of heart ... but we are a fearless bunch

Thanks for that.

Uhm , yeah I'm done sleuthing this case ... definitely IMO something best left to the authorities.

 

[Dushi]

3. According to some estimates, approximately 80% of trafficking involves sexual exploitation, and 19% involves labor exploitation.

11. Trafficking victims normally don't get help because they think that they or their families will be hurt by their traffickers, or that they will be deported.



http://www.dosomething.org/tipsandtools/11-facts-about-human-trafficking

 

[Dushi]

How do the traffickers keep them enslaved?


•Take away their documents
•Blackmail them
•Threaten violence to children and family
•Beat, rape and humiliate
•Lock them in and starve them
•Sell and resell them around international networks


http://4-ever.org/human-trafficking

 

[Randolph2911]

And please guys don't take my last post as offensive. I was under the assumption organized crime is not involved (FA stated this) ...

Not many things will stop my research , but organized crime is definitely one of them. I hope Amy is okay and is found alive and safe.