VA - Couple & two teens found murdered, Farmville, 15 Sept 2009 #3

[dangrsmind]

I found this for you..... It tells the entire story

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+R...ional+Virginia,+1792-1815:+new...-a0102102643

Great, thank you! But long! I need to sleep before reading that...

 

[dangrsmind]

...and danger,that video you posted earlier just made me think "damn those people got high in the 70's" and I could have done without the male nudity,that was gross
....and ziggy I agree that theory would make sense....do we know anymore about emma's realationship with her mom?...could she have been that sinister?

People did get that high in the 70s. I was there.

Sorry about the nudity. I live in San Francisco so I don't even notice naked people any more.

 

[claudicici]

lol,yeah ziggy ,it was towards the beginning....as for teenagers being sinister....I'm sorry i don't trust anyone over 30....and even with all that stuff going on ,the 15 year old getting raped,the killing of elizabeth and this here....i still believe in youth not being sinister and what makes them so is not being cared for....emma's parents seemed to care,yet she seemed troubled beyond just being rebellious....I wonder what happened....

 

[claudicici]

....lol,dangermind,so in saying if you believe in something you become a paranoiac,are you saying christians are crazy?....I do believe that...but anyways or are you just saying that about people believing in the occult?....so maybe mr.niedrbrock was at the house before and sam was hiding?......anyways me not believing in anything is not coincidental,i know that....and I think whatever someone believes in is not coincidental as well....it has to do with what they experienced and how they grew up imo

 

[wadahoot]

...and danger,that video you posted earlier just made me think "damn those people got high in the 70's" and I could have done without the male nudity,that was gross
....and ziggy I agree that theory would make sense....do we know anymore about emma's realationship with her mom?...could she have been that sinister?

Which video?? I want to see myself ... no, not a nude male, a child of the 70s! LOL!

I recall that Emma and her mom had a very difficult relationship ... I'll try to find reference to it.

eta this post including link http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4190440&postcount=193

 

[dangrsmind]

....lol,dangermind,so in saying if you believe in something you become a paranoiac,are you saying christians are crazy?....I do believe that...but anyways or are you just saying that about people believing in the occult?....so maybe mr.niedrbrock was at the house before and sam was hiding?......anyways me not believing in anything is not coincidental,i know that....and I think whatever someone believes in is not coincidental as well....it has to do with what they experienced and how they grew up imo

No it doesn't just apply to the occult, it applies to any belief system including scientific materialism.

If you "believe" in something you stop learning new things. So I wouldn't say people that believe in Christianity are crazy, it is just that they've chosen not to learn anything new about a wide range of subjects becasue they believe they already have the answers.

Some people believe in "simple answers" (some have mentioned Occam's Razor here previously for example). But the universe is demonstrably complicated, it is not simple, so any simple answer must be an illusion or simplification; in other words a surface explanation at best.

As far as this case, it seems there is a very strong occult involvement at least by SickTanick. His CD Doctrines of the Damned tells the story of his summoning the demon Pazuzu aka Sirius the Dog Star or Big Demon Dog. Is it a coincidence that Sirius appears in this story? Read Cosmic Trigger before answering.

If you understand the symbols on the cover of the CD, summoning a demon really means letting the demon enter you or appear inside you. It is about becoming one with this force. Practically it doesn't really matter if the force comes from within or without.

This is what I mean when I say Sam became his own Avatar....

 

[gxm]

But, dangrsmind, that's exactly what I've been saying the whole time. Sam tapped into his inner demon. All this so-called "conjuring" is nothing more than allowing the evil inside to take the form of murder. There is no Pazuzu, there's just Sam. And Pazuzu isn't some great and powerful force, it's just a 20-year old with the "power" to bludgeon people in their sleep.

 

[dangrsmind]

But, dangrsmind, that's exactly what I've been saying the whole time. Sam tapped into his inner demon. All this so-called "conjuring" is nothing more than allowing the evil inside to take the form of murder. There is no Pazuzu, there's just Sam. And Pazuzu isn't some great and powerful force, it's just a 20-year old with the "power" to bludgeon people in their sleep.

You are misunderstanding me. I didn't say the demon wasn't real. I said it doesn't matter either way. Not believing in something is still a belief. I don't beleive anything about Pazuzu. I just observe the relationship of these symbols with the story here.

Invoking the demon "works" so that's all the practical magician cares about.

 

[dangrsmind]

How come I ALWAYS miss the male nudity? I was not paying attention, darn.

OT - dangrs - I LOVE Live 365. Thanks for helping to start it.

I appreciate dangrs trips into the occult. I think SKR club are pretty serious about their messages and I don't think they try to hide it and I bet they are talking about it and imparting these messages to their young followers. Of course they are. Now whether some of them get it and are into it and others are just there to get baked and be into something horribly rebellious is the question.

Edited to add: Claudicci I am now under the assumption that ALL teenage girls are sinister and capable of horrible things! I mean, I was one, I knew some pretty bad ones, I've had a stepdaughter and umpteen nieces and great nieces. If they can make it through that period, there's a chance they can grow up to be decent people, but teen age girls can be vicious little creatures!

Is this a good time to mention that Live365 is one of my "great occult workings"?

 

[gxm]

You are misunderstanding me. I didn't say the demon wasn't real. I said it doesn't matter either way. Not believing in something is still a belief. I don't beleive anything about Pazuzu. I just observe the relationship of these symbols with the story here.

Invoking the demon "works" so that's all the practical magician cares about.

Have you done any research into the video games Sam was a fan of? It would be interesting to see how violent they were and what form the violence took.

 

[gxm]

Is this a good time to mention that Live365 is one of my "great occult workings"?

You're encouragable!

(misspelling on purpose, it's something an ex-boss of mine used to say)

 

[dangrsmind]

Have you done any research into the video games Sam was a fan of? It would be interesting to see how violent they were and what form the violence took.

I have some recollection that he played Halo a lot, and while it is violent I wouldn't call it ultraviolent. Also Gears of War which is much more graphic IMO. I'd have to go back and look to see if there is a more extensive list of titles he liked.

Violent video games much like violent music can prime the nervous system for action. For example, players of violent video games report that they believe they are more likely to be threatened with a knife than people that do not play them. The nervous system interprets mediated experience as "real".

But the issues are the same as with horrorcore music because almost none of the players of these games become violent in the real world.

 

[dangrsmind]

You're encouragable!

(misspelling on purpose, it's something an ex-boss of mine used to say)

Professional on a closed track. Do not try at home.

 

[dangrsmind]

Another "horrorcore witch hunt" article here: http://www.middletownjournal.com/news/crime/horrorcore-music-fans-linked-to-violence-378737.html

This one has some accurate information, but then tries to link the Columbine shootings to music again:

"Horrorcore is the latest musical genre to raise questions about how much life imitates art. Rock stars like Ozzy Osbourne, KISS and Marilyn Manson and rappers like Ice-T and NWA have previously come under fire. The shooters in the 1999 Columbine High School massacre were fans of hardcore music."

Note the use of the sound alike term "hardcore" here.

 

[Big Rela]

Drama never said that Emma and Mel were texting people they were dead. What he was trying to say is outside sources who were not there (in the state of virginia) were texting people about the girls being dead when not even police knew about the murders. Alot of people in the horrorcore scene know alot more information about this case that isnt being divulged in the news reports. Thats why Drama is telling you that when Sam's trial begins next year its going to have alot of twist and turns.

 

[asamford23]

dangrsmnd, you and I think a lot alike, and have a lot of the same influences in reading material. I also do not believe anything. I just have a lot of ideas. Ideas are easy to change. Beliefs are a bit more hard wired and difficult to change.

Anyhow, I think that we are both fascinated by this case because of what may be happening "behind the scenes" so to speak. Yes, there may be simple answers to everything, and when more news of this case finally becomes public, it may seem as though a simple explanation will tie up all of the loose ends, but that still won't mean that there may be "more than meets the eye" with this situation.

Either way, I'm sure it will be an interesting ride!

 

[deita]

I have some recollection that he played Halo a lot, and while it is violent I wouldn't call it ultraviolent. Also Gears of War which is much more graphic IMO. I'd have to go back and look to see if there is a more extensive list of titles he liked.

Violent video games much like violent music can prime the nervous system for action. For example, players of violent video games report that they believe they are more likely to be threatened with a knife than people that do not play them. The nervous system interprets mediated experience as "real".

But the issues are the same as with horrorcore music because almost none of the players of these games become violent in the real world.

a couple of his gamer profiles:

wegame.com/users/LiLdEmOnDoG
xfire.com/profile/lildemondog/
gotfrag.com/dods/user/143217/
gamertagpics.com/xbox-live-profile/LiLdEmOnD0G

sykosam.info/forum:

He was a sick kid to begin with, he loved horrorcore, columbine, and anything to do with MURDER AND WICKED ****<3 that was my homie and will forever be my homie (too bad I only knew him online!)

we used to play mad runescape together then he quit and moved onto WoW. You can still look up his Runescape name (TheDemonDog) he sold that **** though after he got into WoW, and theres still somebody that goes onto it.

 

[dangrsmind]

Drama never said that Emma and Mel were texting people they were dead. What he was trying to say is outside sources who were not there (in the state of virginia) were texting people about the girls being dead when not even police knew about the murders. Alot of people in the horrorcore scene know alot more information about this case that isnt being divulged in the news reports. Thats why Drama is telling you that when Sam's trial begins next year its going to have alot of twist and turns.

I see. Ok, I misunderstood this point.

Those that received the text messages would have to go to the police themselves I guess. There is something known as being an accessory after the fact, but that should be distinguished from committing the crime or organizing its commission.

 

[NativeGirl]

http://www.xfire.com/profile/lilDemonDog/ Seems on XFire.com he put his gaming style as
Gaming Style: Assassin

Games he played along with hours of each game time..
World of Warcraft World of Warcraft - 2,659 hours
Battlefield 2 Battlefield 2 - 247 hours
Silkroad Online Silkroad Online - 139 hours
Counter-Strike: Source Counter-Strike: Source - 93 hours
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare Multiplayer Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare Multiplayer - 87 hours
Guild Wars Guild Wars - 44 hours
Counter-Strike 1.6 Counter-Strike 1.6 - 35 hours
Garry's Mod Garry's Mod - 32 hours
C&C Generals - Zero Hour C&C Generals - Zero Hour - 23 hours
StarCraft Brood War StarCraft Brood War - 22 hours
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas - 22 hours
Day of Defeat: Source Day of Defeat: Source - 16 hours
Warcraft III - The Frozen Throne Warcraft III - The Frozen Throne - 15 hours
Command & Conquer 3 Tiberium Wars Command & Conquer 3 Tiberium Wars - 14 hours
Half-Life 2: Deathmatch Half-Life 2: Deathmatch - 13 hours
C&C Yuri's Revenge C&C Yuri's Revenge - 13 hours
Battlefield 1942 Battlefield 1942 - 13 hours
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare Single Player Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare Single Player - 10 hours
Battlefield 2 Demo Battlefield 2 Demo - 9 hours
America's Army: Special Forces America's Army: Special Forces - 8 hours
Company of Heroes Company of Heroes - 8 hours
Call of Duty United Offensive Multiplayer Call of Duty United Offensive Multiplayer - 8 hours
FSW Ten Hammers FSW Ten Hammers - 6 hours
Half-Life 2 Half-Life 2 - 6 hours
Silent Hill Homecoming Silent Hill Homecoming - 6 hours
Call of Duty Multiplayer Call of Duty Multiplayer - 5 hours
Portal Portal - 4 hours
Battlefield 2142 Battlefield 2142 - 4 hours
Doom 3 Doom 3 - 4 hours
The Specialists The Specialists - 4 hours
Crysis Crysis - 3 hours
Lineage II Lineage II - 3 hours
Call of Duty Single Player Call of Duty Single Player - 3 hours
Team Fortress 2 Team Fortress 2 - 3 hours
FEAR Single Player FEAR Single Player - 3 hours
WarRock WarRock - 2 hours
Mythos Mythos - 2 hours
RollerCoaster Tycoon 3 RollerCoaster Tycoon 3 - 2 hours
Mirror's Edge Mirror's Edge - 2 hours
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion - 2 hours
C&C Renegade C&C Renegade - 2 hours
Battlefield 2142 Demo Battlefield 2142 Demo - 2 hours
Postal 2 Share the Pain Postal 2 Share the Pain - 2 hours
Call of Duty 2 Multiplayer Call of Duty 2 Multiplayer - 1 hour
Knight Online Knight Online - 1 hour
Fable - The Lost Chapters Fable - The Lost Chapters - 1 hour
Hitman Blood Money Hitman Blood Money - 1 hour
Dungeon Siege Legends of Aranna Dungeon Siege Legends of Aranna - 1 hour
Medal of Honor: Airborne Medal of Honor: Airborne - 1 hour
Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3 Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3 - 1 hour
Scarface Scarface - 1 hour
FEAR SP Demo FEAR SP Demo - < 1 hour
Command & Conquer 3 Tiberium Wars Demo Command & Conquer 3 Tiberium Wars Demo - < 1 hour
Source SDK Base Source SDK Base - < 1 hour
BioShock BioShock - < 1 hour
Crysis SP Demo Crysis SP Demo - < 1 hour
FEAR Multiplayer FEAR Multiplayer - < 1 hour
Quake 4 Quake 4 - < 1 hour
Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3 Beta Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3 Beta - < 1 hour
C&C Generals C&C Generals - < 1 hour
Assassin's Creed Assassin's Creed - < 1 hour
C&C Red Alert 2 C&C Red Alert 2 - < 1 hour
Unreal Tournament 2004 Unreal Tournament 2004 - < 1 hour
Dungeon Siege II Dungeon Siege II - < 1 hour
Kal Online Kal Online - < 1 hour
Anarchy Online Anarchy Online - < 1 hour
SWAT 4 SWAT 4 - < 1 hour
Half-Life 2: Lost Coast Half-Life 2: Lost Coast - < 1 hour
Command & Conquer 3: Kane's Wrath Command & Conquer 3: Kane's Wrath - < 1 hour
Solitaire Solitaire - < 1 hour
The Saga of Ryzom The Saga of Ryzom - < 1 hour
Red Orchestra Ostfront 41-45 (Steam) Red Orchestra Ostfront 41-45 (Steam) - < 1 hour
Rainbow Six Lockdown Rainbow Six Lockdown - < 1 hour
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas - < 1 hour
World in Conflict - BETA World in Conflict - BETA - < 1 hour
Chess Titans Chess Titans - < 1 hour
Warcraft III Warcraft III - < 1 hour
Call of Duty United Offensive Single Player Call of Duty United Offensive Single Player - < 1 hour
Half-Life (Steam) Half-Life (Steam) - < 1 hour
Diablo II Diablo II - < 1 hour
The Ship The Ship - < 1 hour
Resident Evil 4 Resident Evil 4 - < 1 hour
Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory - < 1 hour
Dungeons & Dragons Online: Eberron Unlimited Dungeons & Dragons Online: Eberron Unlimited - < 1 hour
Condemned - Criminal Origins Condemned - Criminal Origins - < 1 hour
Rakion Chaos Force Rakion Chaos Force - < 1 hour
Minesweeper Minesweeper - < 1 hour
BioShock Demo BioShock Demo - < 1 hour
Pinball Pinball - < 1 hour
Fahrenheit Fahrenheit - < 1 hour
The Punisher The Punisher - < 1 hour
Call of Duty 2 Single Player Demo Call of Duty 2 Single Player Demo - < 1 hour
StarCraft StarCraft - < 1 hour
Freecell Freecell - < 1 hour
Overall Hours - 3,647 hours

 

[tapu]

http://www.xfire.com/profile/lilDemonDog/ Seems on XFire.com he put his gaming style as
Gaming Style: Assassin

Games he played along with hours of each game time..
World of Warcraft World of Warcraft - 2,659 hours
Battlefield 2 Battlefield 2 - 247 hours
Silkroad Online Silkroad Online - 139 hours
Counter-Strike: Source Counter-Strike: Source - 93 hours
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare Multiplayer Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare Multiplayer - 87 hours
Guild Wars Guild Wars - 44 hours
Counter-Strike 1.6 Counter-Strike 1.6 - 35 hours
Garry's Mod Garry's Mod - 32 hours
C&C Generals - Zero Hour C&C Generals - Zero Hour - 23 hours
StarCraft Brood War StarCraft Brood War - 22 hours
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas - 22 hours
Day of Defeat: Source Day of Defeat: Source - 16 hours
Warcraft III - The Frozen Throne Warcraft III - The Frozen Throne - 15 hours
Command & Conquer 3 Tiberium Wars Command & Conquer 3 Tiberium Wars - 14 hours
Half-Life 2: Deathmatch Half-Life 2: Deathmatch - 13 hours
C&C Yuri's Revenge C&C Yuri's Revenge - 13 hours
Battlefield 1942 Battlefield 1942 - 13 hours
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare Single Player Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare Single Player - 10 hours
Battlefield 2 Demo Battlefield 2 Demo - 9 hours
America's Army: Special Forces America's Army: Special Forces - 8 hours
Company of Heroes Company of Heroes - 8 hours
Call of Duty United Offensive Multiplayer Call of Duty United Offensive Multiplayer - 8 hours
FSW Ten Hammers FSW Ten Hammers - 6 hours
Half-Life 2 Half-Life 2 - 6 hours
Silent Hill Homecoming Silent Hill Homecoming - 6 hours
Call of Duty Multiplayer Call of Duty Multiplayer - 5 hours
Portal Portal - 4 hours
Battlefield 2142 Battlefield 2142 - 4 hours
Doom 3 Doom 3 - 4 hours
The Specialists The Specialists - 4 hours
Crysis Crysis - 3 hours
Lineage II Lineage II - 3 hours
Call of Duty Single Player Call of Duty Single Player - 3 hours
Team Fortress 2 Team Fortress 2 - 3 hours
FEAR Single Player FEAR Single Player - 3 hours
WarRock WarRock - 2 hours
Mythos Mythos - 2 hours
RollerCoaster Tycoon 3 RollerCoaster Tycoon 3 - 2 hours
Mirror's Edge Mirror's Edge - 2 hours
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion - 2 hours
C&C Renegade C&C Renegade - 2 hours
Battlefield 2142 Demo Battlefield 2142 Demo - 2 hours
Postal 2 Share the Pain Postal 2 Share the Pain - 2 hours
Call of Duty 2 Multiplayer Call of Duty 2 Multiplayer - 1 hour
Knight Online Knight Online - 1 hour
Fable - The Lost Chapters Fable - The Lost Chapters - 1 hour
Hitman Blood Money Hitman Blood Money - 1 hour
Dungeon Siege Legends of Aranna Dungeon Siege Legends of Aranna - 1 hour
Medal of Honor: Airborne Medal of Honor: Airborne - 1 hour
Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3 Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3 - 1 hour
Scarface Scarface - 1 hour
FEAR SP Demo FEAR SP Demo - < 1 hour
Command & Conquer 3 Tiberium Wars Demo Command & Conquer 3 Tiberium Wars Demo - < 1 hour
Source SDK Base Source SDK Base - < 1 hour
BioShock BioShock - < 1 hour
Crysis SP Demo Crysis SP Demo - < 1 hour
FEAR Multiplayer FEAR Multiplayer - < 1 hour
Quake 4 Quake 4 - < 1 hour
Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3 Beta Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3 Beta - < 1 hour
C&C Generals C&C Generals - < 1 hour
Assassin's Creed Assassin's Creed - < 1 hour
C&C Red Alert 2 C&C Red Alert 2 - < 1 hour
Unreal Tournament 2004 Unreal Tournament 2004 - < 1 hour
Dungeon Siege II Dungeon Siege II - < 1 hour
Kal Online Kal Online - < 1 hour
Anarchy Online Anarchy Online - < 1 hour
SWAT 4 SWAT 4 - < 1 hour
Half-Life 2: Lost Coast Half-Life 2: Lost Coast - < 1 hour
Command & Conquer 3: Kane's Wrath Command & Conquer 3: Kane's Wrath - < 1 hour
Solitaire Solitaire - < 1 hour
The Saga of Ryzom The Saga of Ryzom - < 1 hour
Red Orchestra Ostfront 41-45 (Steam) Red Orchestra Ostfront 41-45 (Steam) - < 1 hour
Rainbow Six Lockdown Rainbow Six Lockdown - < 1 hour
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas - < 1 hour
World in Conflict - BETA World in Conflict - BETA - < 1 hour
Chess Titans Chess Titans - < 1 hour
Warcraft III Warcraft III - < 1 hour
Call of Duty United Offensive Single Player Call of Duty United Offensive Single Player - < 1 hour
Half-Life (Steam) Half-Life (Steam) - < 1 hour
Diablo II Diablo II - < 1 hour
The Ship The Ship - < 1 hour
Resident Evil 4 Resident Evil 4 - < 1 hour
Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory - < 1 hour
Dungeons & Dragons Online: Eberron Unlimited Dungeons & Dragons Online: Eberron Unlimited - < 1 hour
Condemned - Criminal Origins Condemned - Criminal Origins - < 1 hour
Rakion Chaos Force Rakion Chaos Force - < 1 hour
Minesweeper Minesweeper - < 1 hour
BioShock Demo BioShock Demo - < 1 hour
Pinball Pinball - < 1 hour
Fahrenheit Fahrenheit - < 1 hour
The Punisher The Punisher - < 1 hour
Call of Duty 2 Single Player Demo Call of Duty 2 Single Player Demo - < 1 hour
StarCraft StarCraft - < 1 hour
Freecell Freecell - < 1 hour
Overall Hours - 3,647 hours

Okay, that's it! I am definitely taking away my kid's Wii Golf!!