VA - Grateful Dead Fan - Unidentified male, 26 June 1995 - #1

[reportertype]

No prob, outofthedark. They were yellow during WWII, an ID for Jews. Anyway, about the tattoo's origins, crude or homemade tattoos are often found on people who have been in jail or prison. Of course, as Richard said, he may have done it himself, or had a friend do it.

 

[outofthedark]

No prob, outofthedark. They were yellow during WWII, an ID for Jews. Anyway, about the tattoo's origins, crude or homemade tattoos are often found on people who have been in jail or prison. Of course, as Richard said, he may have done it himself, or had a friend do it.

There's photos of Jewish people wearing the yellow ID star in a book I have on Anne Frank

 

[Amy Noel]

Hello I am new posting here. I have read all the posts on this case. I live in Virginia, and used to be a Grateful Dead fan myself. So when I heard about this case I found it very sad. But more to the point I've been doing a little searching on the net myself and found a few possibilities... I know someone had posted that a few missing people had been ruled out and that they had a list, one being http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1043dmut.html (Jack Jason Simmons)... which is such a striking resemblance its hard to believe that its not him! But anyway I found a few others that I haven't seen mentioned or do not remember seeing posted... http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/962dmar.html ( Jarrod Devlin Green)
I know it says he has a "Taz" tattoo but I thought I read somewhere that the unidentified man had another tattoo, but it never said what it was. But the Berkinstock sandals stuck out in my mind, its just a type of shoe Deadheads are known for. And then I found...http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1183dmmd.html
( Donald Lee Izzett )... and... http://doenetwork.us/cases/1319dmtx.html (Ricky Lee Jones)... and...http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1191dmin.html (David Barlow) Last one is probably a real long shot but It says he was last seen before July 7th, which could actually be sometime in June, since I doesn't actually say when he was last seen... they may not know when he disappeared... which was something else I was looking into... the unidentified man, may not have been reported missing until well after his death, espeically if he was'nt expected anywhere anytime soon, he may have told his family and/or friends that he was traveling across country for the summer, whether following the "Dead" or not, so he may not have been missed until late August or early September... just a thought! Anyway let me know what you think.

 

[Amy Noel]

Hello I am new posting here. I have read all the posts on this case. I live in Virginia, and used to be a Grateful Dead fan myself. So when I heard about this case I found it very sad. But more to the point I've been doing a little searching on the net myself and found a few possibilities... I know someone had posted that a few missing people had been ruled out and that they had a list, one being http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1043dmut.html (Jack Jason Simmons)... which is such a striking resemblance its hard to believe that its not him! But anyway I found a few others that I haven't seen mentioned or do not remember seeing posted... http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/962dmar.html ( Jarrod Devlin Green)
I know it says he has a "Taz" tattoo but I thought I read somewhere that the unidentified man had another tattoo but it never said what it was. But the Berkinstock sandals stuck out in my mind, its just a type of shoe Deadheads are known for. And then I found...http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1183dmmd.html
( Donald Lee Izzett )... and... http://doenetwork.us/cases/1319dmtx.html (Ricky Lee Jones)... and...http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1191dmin.html (David Barlow) Last one is probably a real long shot but It says he was last seen before July 7th, which could actually be sometime in June, since I doesn't actually say when he was last seen... they may not know when he disappeared... which was something else I was looking into... the unidentified man, may not have been reported missing until well after his death, espeically if he wasn't expected anywhere anytime soon, he may have told his family and/or friends that he was traveling across country for the summer, whether following the "Dead" or not so he may not have been missed until late August or early September... just a thought! Anyway let me know what you think.

 

[wondering22]

No prob, outofthedark. They were yellow during WWII, an ID for Jews. Anyway, about the tattoo's origins, crude or homemade tattoos are often found on people who have been in jail or prison. Of course, as Richard said, he may have done it himself, or had a friend do it.

I don't know about that, but I do know that I was amazed about ten years ago, or so, when I went to a major office supply store to pick up a bottle of permanent ink for an old fountain pen.

I was told that they no longer stock it because so many teenagers were using the permanent ink for fountain pens to tattoo themselves, and so it was store policy to no longer sell it.

 

[wondering22]

Hello I am new posting here. I have read all the posts on this case. I live in Virginia, and used to be a Grateful Dead fan myself. So when I heard about this case I found it very sad. But more to the point I've been doing a little searching on the net myself and found a few possibilities... I know someone had posted that a few missing people had been ruled out and that they had a list, one being http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1043dmut.html (Jack Jason Simmons)... which is such a striking resemblance its hard to believe that its not him! But anyway I found a few others that I haven't seen mentioned or do not remember seeing posted... http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/962dmar.html ( Jarrod Devlin Green)
I know it says he has a "Taz" tattoo but I thought I read somewhere that the unidentified man had another tattoo, but it never said what it was. But the Berkinstock sandals stuck out in my mind, its just a type of shoe Deadheads are known for. And then I found...http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1183dmmd.html
( Donald Lee Izzett )... and... http://doenetwork.us/cases/1319dmtx.html (Ricky Lee Jones)... and...http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1191dmin.html (David Barlow) Last one is probably a real long shot but It says he was last seen before July 7th, which could actually be sometime in June, since I doesn't actually say when he was last seen... they may not know when he disappeared... which was something else I was looking into... the unidentified man, may not have been reported missing until well after his death, espeically if he was'nt expected anywhere anytime soon, he may have told his family and/or friends that he was traveling across country for the summer, whether following the "Dead" or not, so he may not have been missed until late August or early September... just a thought! Anyway let me know what you think.

I just came across another one, this time, it's a young teenaged couple, both of them missing after a Dead concert.

Here's the WS thread:
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26862

 

[outofthedark]

I just came across another one, this time, it's a young teenaged couple, both of them missing after a Dead concert.

Here's the WS thread:
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26862

These two might still be alive actually

 

[SLY]

The tattoos mentioned were rather crude and most likely done by the unknown man himself.

Or even a jail house tattoo.

Sly

 

[wondering22]

I found this URL at google when trying to find out more about Mitchel Weisner. It's a list of missing or unidentified people associated with Dead concerts. If you're interested in the cases, you'd have to get the new correct links for the names from http://www.doenetwork.org

http://www.mail-archive.com/deadlists@nemesis.cs.berkeley.edu/msg02874.html

 

[outofthedark]

I found this URL at google when trying to find out more about Mitchel Weisner. It's a list of missing or unidentified people associated with Dead concerts. If you're interested in the cases, you'd have to get the new correct links for the names from http://www.doenetwork.org

http://www.mail-archive.com/deadlists@nemesis.cs.berkeley.edu/msg02874.html

some of the links do not work on that site- so here's the links THAT don't work that page

UID Jane Doe Case 11ufil: http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/11ufil.html

Douglas Stephen Simmons: http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/131dmnc.html

UID John Doe case 178umga: http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/178umga.html

 

[julianne]

And one more possibility...


http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1193dmca.html

Time frame is right, age is right, this person disappeared while he was with Grateful Dead followers, however, this states he had a gap between his teeth, and I think I read that the accident victim had perfect teeth? I dunno....might be worth checking into....

 

[kitty]

And one more possibility...


http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1193dmca.html

Time frame is right, age is right, this person disappeared while he was with Grateful Dead followers, however, this states he had a gap between his teeth, and I think I read that the accident victim had perfect teeth? I dunno....might be worth checking into....

It also says he had decayed front teeth. If JD had perfect teeth, it would be a long shot.

 

[Amy Noel]

This case is driving me nuts!!! I know this young man has a family out there, someone must be looking for him. Besides his family, he has to have friends, follow deadheads... I mean having been a Big fan of the Dead myself, I know about the Deadhead community. It's like an extended family. I just can't believe no one has reported him missing by now. I have been searching and searching any and all missing persons websites that I can find. I just want to put a name to this young man!

 

[LButler]

he had 2 ticket stubs in his pocket for one concert? Am I right? That would mean someone had attended the concert with him. Who was that person?

He has a note in his pocket from Caroline O and T. I wonder if this note had a thumbtack hole in it (someone had left it on a board for him???). How else does one get a note - it's given to someone to give to someone else - maybe handed off to him during the concert when it was really too loud to talk??

Also, 2 caroline's listed with one phone number. They're obviously not sisters so maybe college roommates??

 

[LButler]

(does everyone agree with that one?) and then having 2 girls with the same uncommon name??

there is a caroline county in VA just south of DC.

I wonder if anyone tried anything as simple as calling this number to see what happened and playing around with some zip codes for it?

How common were cells and car phones in 1995? It seems as though I probably had a bag, car phone at the time?

 

[Amy Noel]

(does everyone agree with that one?) and then having 2 girls with the same uncommon name??

there is a caroline county in VA just south of DC.

I wonder if anyone tried anything as simple as calling this number to see what happened and playing around with some zip codes for it?

How common were cells and car phones in 1995? It seems as though I probably had a bag, car phone at the time?

The two Caroline's are/were believed to be members in an organization called "Wharf Rats". It is thought that "Jason" could be a member of the group....
Here is a brief discription I found at Wikipedia....
The Wharf Rats are a group of concert-goers who have chosen to live drug and alcohol free.

Their primary purpose at shows is to make themselves available to anyone who feels the Wharf Rats may have something they want. They announce their presence with yellow balloons, signs, and the Wharf Rats information table. Their goal is to offer support, strength, fellowship, and hope. At set break durring Grateful Dead (and related) concerts they would hold 12-step style meetings.

The Wharf Rats began during the 1980s as a group of Deadheads under the name "The Wharf Rat Group of Alcoholics Anonymous". [1] However due to operational differences they soon split off from Alcoholics Anonymous, and are not affiliated with them, Narcotics Anonymous, or any other twelve-step program, though many of members of the Wharf Rats are members of AA, NA or other 12 step programs. The Wharf Rats see themselves as "a group of friends sharing a common bond, providing support, information and some traction in an otherwise slippery environment."

While the Wharf Rats originated in the Grateful Dead world, they now have a presence at Dead offshoot and other jam band concerts as well. A similar groups named The Phellowship for Phish, The Gateway for Widespred Panic, The Jellyfish for String Cheese Incident are all based on the Wharf Rats.

The Wharf Rats also have a website...http://www.wharfrat.org/index.html
I found an email for one of the (supposed) Caroline's....(Caroline T.)
Southwest Contact: Arizona
Caroline "Mom" Thomas #222
9460 E. Mission Lane
Scottsdale, AZ 85258
E-mail: wharfrmomt@aol.com

Still looking for a Caroline O.

I believe someone posted here that both had been contacted though.... I am guessing they both denied knowing "Jason" or that he was involved in the organization??? Not sure on that, I will have to search thread again...

 

[Amy Noel]

I was also wondering if anyone knew the website where they listed all the possible matches that had been ruled out. I know it was mentioned on this thread once or twice before but no one ever posted the link... thanx!

 

[Amy Noel]

There was some discussion that he might be someone named Jason Coe (or something like Coe) who was reportedly traveling with a David Fincher. Various separate people stated that they had been from Wisconsin origionally, but that they had traveled through Arizona, Georgia, and Florida. One person stated that he had known a Jason from Wisconsin who traveled with a bulldog named "Baily". Yet another man stated that he had a set of tools in his van or motor home which belonged to a guy named Jason who was supposed to meet up with him later during the Grateful Dead 95 tour, but that he never saw him again. In September of 1994, somebody had been looking for a Jason Whitler from Indiana, who hadn't been seen in two years.

I was wodering if the "Jason Coe (or something like Coe)" could be...
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1521dmmd.html
even though it lists that he is from Maryland, his name is similar "James Cole".

I also ran across this young man missing since 04/27/95 from Cali.
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1193dmca.html
It has a reference to the Grateful Dead in his missing flyer,
I did notice that it lists him as 6'1" and that he has a gap between his two front teeth. Decayed front teeth. But I went back and looked at "Jasons" post and It only states that,"He had all of his teeth and no dental restoration work." It doesn't say his teeth were in good condition, some a decaying tooth and a gap couldn't rule him out!

Anyway let me know your thoughts on these potential matches!

 

[pardilia]

Here is a link to the VA missing site profile of this unidentified boy. They have a different date listed for when he was found. I think its also important to note that he hitched a ride with someone heading south when the next Dead concert was in Michigan, so chances are he was heading home.

About the red hair color...Why would he dye it red if he was a drifter? How would he have the finances...and why would it be a priority to change his haircolor?

I further 'guess'/'assume' that he was probably 16-17 as there were concerts that year in NC, but these were in March, which would have been during the school year and if he had to hitchhike to get to the DC concert, going to these concerts would have probably have been unreasonable for him.

If you go to dead.net , and select search and pick 1995 for the concert and select search (without selecting any states) it'll pull up the full list of dates for that year.

As for the tattoo...I'd ignore it in identifying him as it was probably something he did himself and nobody really knew about judging from its size. I'd really like to have a better idea of the location of it, though, before I would be willing to really stand by that statement.

 

[christine2448]

The Wharf Rats also have a website...http://www.wharfrat.org/index.html
I found an email for one of the (supposed) Caroline's....(Caroline T.)
Southwest Contact: Arizona
Caroline "Mom" Thomas #222
9460 E. Mission Lane
Scottsdale, AZ 85258
E-mail: wharfrmomt@aol.com

Still looking for a Caroline O.

I believe someone posted here that both had been contacted though.... I am guessing they both denied knowing "Jason" or that he was involved in the organization??? Not sure on that, I will have to search thread again...

Did you ever find out if this had been already researched? These people were contacted? The outcome?