VA - Hannah Elizabeth Graham, 18, Charlottesville, 13 Sept 2014 - #13

[Sjm_qc]

It seems he had a fair bit of interaction with his family prior to his first meeting with the LEOs. I can't help but wonder if they helped assemble the list. Or maybe he opened the Yellow Pages...

*Unsubstantiated comment from me & JMO: before his FB page went dark Saturday, some of us noticed that he was FB friends with lawyers. So he could have asked for recommendations. Again, JMO.

* Mods, sorry if this is not allowed.

 

[MuddyTires]

Given some of the questions being asked, some of you may find these links helpful:

http://www.vsb.org/pro-guidelines/index.php/rules/client-lawyer-relationship/rule1-6/

http://www.vsb.org/pro-guidelines/index.php/rules/client-lawyer-relationship/rule1-2/

http://www.vsb.org/pro-guidelines/index.php/rules/advocate/rule3-3/

http://www.vsb.org/pro-guidelines/index.php/rules/advocate/rule3-4/

http://www.vsb.org/pro-guidelines/index.php/rules/advocate/rule3-8/

 

[mom2tee]

I think it is possible since they suspect that he harmed Hannah but do not know where she is (alive or dead) that they are "looking for him" but "not apprehending him" in the hopes that he will inadvertently lead them to her. Along the lines of if he hid her body but now is worried they will find it and maybe he would go back there and make sure that the body was well hidden. I am from the school of thought that they actually know exactly where he is. Just my opinion though.

 

[jjw]

And where does one draw the line as to what is too drunk to consent? There have been cases with video where it was clear a woman was just about comatose and getting raped. Even with those cases, there were people that thought the victim was consenting. Personally, I think there are too many women claiming 'date rape' when it really wasn't, but that is outside the scope of this case.

There have been cases with video where it was clear a woman was just about comatose and getting raped. Even with those cases, there were people that thought the victim was consenting.

And those people are aholes.

Personally, I think there are too many women claiming 'date rape' when it really wasn't, but that is outside the scope of this case

Yes, women just love telling people they are raped for the fun of it.


If a woman can't consent to sex- DON'T TOUCH HER!!!!! How hard is that to understand??

jmo

 

[Waddles]

To add to this - I'd like to point out that the high school she went to has quite a diverse population. It's 40% white and roughly 20% black and 30% hispanic. She's not a stranger to diversity and, given where she grew up (I grew up there too), she probably has multiple friends/acquaintances/classmates who are minority. I taught at the middle school down the street from her high school (but not the one that feeds into her high school) and we have the same population. There's just not a lot of eyebrows raised when the black and white kids hang out. As a matter of fact, I now live about 20 minutes away from that area and we're quite a bit less diverse here yet pretty much every one of my step daughter's friends is non-white. It's how it is here in Northern Virginia.

So I do NOT find it implausible that she would talk to this man.

This, in addition to the fact that one of her friends interviewed is black http://wtvr.com/2014/09/24/hannah-graham-friends-at-vcu/

 

[zapped]

Interesting article about Jim Camblos at cvillenews.com

http://cvillenews.com/2007/11/05/vote-against-camblos/

IMO if JLM is guilty, and its looking that way more and more every day, then the last thing we need is a defense attorney bungling the case and allowing him to get away scott free.

 

[CatchingClues]

A few days ago a local stated hunting season was about to begin. I wonder if somebody will find Hannah while hunting.

Very possible and gives some hope of finding her. This will be hard for me to post, but I am thinking that this man (JM) had to hide her rather fast. Have they also checked street drains? What about wooded areas in the middle of interstate highways?

 

[savoiadilucania]

I would like to see her classmates tarnished by this event. They knew she was underage, they knew she was drinking, they knew she was drunk, they knew she was leaving, alone, at night, and they let her just say it' s okay. Would not have happened with my crowd, at my college, in my day. Several people would have walked with her to her home. That I can say definitively, whether the person was underage or not. Wouldn't let someone go out into the night alone. Now once that person was home, the responsitiblity ends, but absloutely would I not let someone leave MY house, drunk and alone at night on foot or by car. even someone of age to drink, even today.

It's easy to lose sight of reality when you are young, feeling good, and living in what is essentially a small town. The quaintness of Charlottesville, the beauty of the campus, and the generally solid character of the institution can be very misleading. I don't think this is any excuse for a lack of vigilance or a lack of prudence. But I am trying where I can to give her the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Eileen730]

I agree, very strange. The most reasonable explanations given by insightful posters here maybe

a) He didn't realise he wouldn't be appointed a public defender as he wasn't charged
b) once he asked for representation he couldn't be questioned about it

:gaah: it still doesn't make sense and when I see Longo explaining it in interviews, I think he's holding back a smirk

IMVOO
He knew EXACTLY what he was doing!

 

[KMouse]

Very possible and gives some hope of finding her. This will be hard for me to post, but I am thinking that this man (JM) had to hide her rather fast. Have they also checked street drains? What about wooded areas in the middle of interstate highways?

I think wooded areas are the go to for situations like this.

 

[jamicat]

We have several defense attorneys in Richmond who are similar to this guy. Respectable win record, penchant for taking on cases and defending people many lawyers would never touch.

Some of them have illustrious records working as a prosecuting attorney just like Camblos. Im sure I am not alone in wondering what causes someone like them to start defending the suspects they used to prosecute.

When you walk into the courtroom with one of these guys, people pretty much assume you are guilty but they are often good enough to get scum like this off, many times on a technicality....and for a price...of course.

Makes JLM look even more guilty...at least in my eyes.

Our legal system is set up so that we need very good attorneys representing those accused of a crime. And this goes for the most heinous and most obvious ones. If everyone refused to touch the case, it gets assigned and if the attorney handling the case is not doing what is considered a good job, there are sanction and a perp can go free. So we need those willing to take these cases and do the best they can so that the DA, the other side has to keep it clean and truly have the goods.

I don't think this makes JM look more guilty. Looks guilty anyways, and the odds are from what I have seen, he probably is, but it has to be proven beyond reasonable doubt in a court of law. DA has the resources of LE, FBI, public money on its side. They had better make it good. THe Defense in such cases often has to fund some of the research, and witnesses tend not to want to cooperate wtih the defense, from what I have seen in "dirty" cases. And they don't have to do so whereas mroe pressure can be applied when it's LE wanitng info.

I know a number of criminal defense attorneys and I respect them for the work they do and admire them when they put together a good case, for even the most horrible crimes. It's a service since without this, our system wont' work right.

What has made JLM look guitly has been JLM, at least in my eyes. Not his family, not his lawyer.

 

[human]

I had my doubts that JM was guilty.

His boldness of going to the police department and his going to the DVM while Hannah is missing indicated that this sweet, Chiristian coach was innocent.

Now as the evidence mounts, this indicates to me that he is a souless monster.

It will be interesting if his life story ever comes out.

Unless he turns out to be a serial killer, he will soon be forgotten

 

[kirafx]

NBC29 ‏@NBC29 3m
BREAKING: #UVA tells @HenryGraff #JesseMatthew has been suspended without pay as a result of the criminal charge filed last night.

UVa People Search - http://its.virginia.edu/search/people

Still shows:
Jesse L. Matthew, Jr.
Title • Classification • Staff
Department • Code Medical Center-Operating Room • Medical Center-Operating Room

Also, shows a woman with his mother's name as working there. The name has been edited, too, since I viewed it yesterday.

 

[snarkymalarkey]

Wow this was very interesting!
this entire link is interesting!

http://www.c-ville.com/Rape_murder_kiddie_porn_and_more/#.VCLWA3l0xLM


In June of this year, (2007) Charlottesville Police Chief Tim Longo turned in a proposal to have some 30 security cameras installed on the Downtown Mall for the sum of $300,000. "I think [cameras are] highly effective in areas that have heavily populated pedestrian foot traffic.

While video evidence comes in handy after the fact, its role in crime prevention is disputed. That combined with general civil liberty concerns seemed to spell the end for video surveillance in Charlottesville until Councilor Kevin Lynch suggested a camera system that, unlike the original, would not feed into a centralized system

I noticed the article said the DNA matched 2 of 7 assaults. So that leaves 5 assaults.

 

[savoiadilucania]

Very possible and gives some hope of finding her. This will be hard for me to post, but I am thinking that this man (JM) had to hide her rather fast. Have they also checked street drains? What about wooded areas in the middle of interstate highways?

Fool's errand. In the amount of time between her last sighting and reported disappearance, he coulda drove her to the mountains.

 

[Skigirl]

The family could always pay the retainer for him, but he would have to sign the actual retainer agreement. I know I have emailed a retainer agreement to someone and said sign this and return the original to us. Of course, I don't work for criminal attorneys, and I don't know if them returning it signed by JM would constitute them knowing where he is/not turning him in/harboring a fugitive, etc. They might not want to do that. The person the attorney is representing has to be the one signing the agreement, yes. Again, I have never worked in criminal law, so I am not sure if procedures in this circumstance are different or not.

I don't work in criminal law or anything close, but I work with a lot of large financial transactions and bought a house recently and negotiate many contracts and spend a lot of time working with lawyers. Almost everything I do with attorneys (having my employment agreement reviewed, financial transactions, buying a house, etc.) has been electronic. I didn't even realize people required signatures on hard copies anymore.

 

[savoiadilucania]

Charlottesville might have historic preservation requirements? Cameras have to "blend in" with the architecture? $300k probably includes wiring and installation too, which is costly when considering what electricians charge per hour.

 

[lil212]

Hannah's Twitter - https://twitter.com/hegraham25
I have only seen JM's Facebook (and earlier an old MySpace which I can no longer find). Someone already noted how he changed his profile images to black on Saturday and what it might mean. I thought it interesting that he left his profile active with all of his friends names available to the public. Wondering if he didn't care or didn't know about changing the privacy settings.
https://www.facebook.com/lj.matthew.5

It is so strange living in these times and being able to get glimpses of people which previously only friends and family would have insight into. Reading her twitter feed makes me so sad for her and her family.

 

[trixandhoney]

Interesting article about Jim Camblos at cvillenews.com

http://cvillenews.com/2007/11/05/vote-against-camblos/

IMO if JLM is guilty, and its looking that way more and more every day, then the last thing we need is a defense attorney bungling the case and allowing him to get away scott free.

Ugh. He sounds horrific.

 

[RSC]

I don't understand this comment. The role of a defense attorney IS to get their defendant off free. How is that "bungling" anything?

Interesting article about Jim Camblos at cvillenews.com

http://cvillenews.com/2007/11/05/vote-against-camblos/

IMO if JLM is guilty, and its looking that way more and more every day, then the last thing we need is a defense attorney bungling the case and allowing him to get away scott free.