VA - Hannah Elizabeth Graham, 18, Charlottesville, 13 Sept 2014 - #5

[J1981]

It's possible he gave her a lift back to her neighborhood and dropped her off. In that case, she was in his car and left behind evidence that gave police enough to get a search warrant of the apartment. But, maybe, just maybe BG didn't commit a crime other than supply alcohol to a minor. Perhaps something happened to Hannah after he dropped her off.

It just seems like he isn't talking to police (just a feeling- I don't know this as fact) and if he were innocent I'd think he would say "yeah I was there and dropped her off but I'm totally innocent" instead of hiding at home hoping the whole thing will just go away. IMO of course.

 

[cluciano63]

It is a good thing many criminals are stupid.

 

[RSC]

It's not a bad theory. I was a straight A student and an athlete. When I hit college, I started partying, and I regularly took off from parties, etc. My friends would say I was "going on a walkabout."

I consider myself very lucky twenty years later, and am weeping for hannah.

I posted in like the 2nd thread that I had a male friend who would "run off" when drunk. Sometimes not come home for hours or until the next day, one time came back with a broken leg. So the amount of time she was not reported could be because her roommates are used to her running off when drinking? (This is just a theory! We know she was drinking and we know she ran off. Whether that was a habitual reaction to drinking, I'm just conjecturing)

 

[carbuff]

One thing that's really bugging me now -- if last night's description was a red herring for whatever reason, and there is no bald goatee'd man, why should I believe them about the dreadlock guy now? Maybe they're using him as a cover, too.

I'd like to think they wouldn't do that, but it's kind of hard to get past.

 

[Hambone1480]

I was in college not so long ago. I have no idea the type of girl Hannah was, but her actions make me believe she was a drunk girl who wasn't in the mindset of caring about much of anything at that time of night. I'm not even sure she knew what she was doing at all because she was so wasted. I remember girls like that in college who were often very young freshmen, and were most times extremely insecure. These girls could often be found walking alone after a closing of a bar and would basically allow anybody who was interested to talk to them and convince them to go wherever they wanted to go. I think this is what this guy looks for when he goes out and when he sees them he tries to see what's up. He probably tells the girl something like he is going to go smoke some weed and the drunk girl agrees to go with. The guy does this with only one intention in mind (sex). Some guys are innocent and probably are trying to get some, but if it doesn't happen then it doesn't happen. BUT the guy could be a guy who goes crazy if he is turned down at the moment of initiating sex and decides to rape the girl and possibly beat her up and possibly end up killing her. This possibly could be the first victim of this type of guy, or it could be a guy who has done such a thing before (Morgan Harrington). Who knows for sure? I do correlate the DG's actions to someone acting like a guy I explained here.

 

[bessie]

:seeya: No copy-and-paste or screenshots from social media (Facebook, Twitter). If the social media profile is an approved one (MSM, LE, suspect, victim), you can link to it, and reference a post by date/time and poster's initials. BUT...if the post contains rumors and gossip, your post probably will be removed.

Thanks.

This post is for the benefit of everyone, and for no one in particular.

 

[PresleySyndrome]

In the press conference They said that "a lot" of people know the POI and that he is "known" in the area.

I moved to a college town when I was 18 (VCU) and we had these random crackheads/old weird folks hang out at our parties/etc.

I knew who they were, simply by them being around all the time--but I didn't really know them.. ya know?

Maybe he's "one of those" dudes, just a thought.

 

[Inthedetails]

It just seems like he isn't talking to police (just a feeling- I don't know this as fact) and if he were innocent I'd think he would say "yeah I was there and dropped her off but I'm totally innocent" instead of hiding at home hoping the whole thing will just go away. IMO of course.

But he has a criminal history and might not be that keen on contacting LE and inserting himself into the case, suspecting he himself will be a suspect.

I know he's involved at least with going to the bar and giving her a ride, but the fact that LE didn't detain him opens a window that maybe he just dropped her off somewhere and then she was abducted, right back in her own neighborhood.

 

[PresleySyndrome]

What's that from? Tia


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Alexis Murphy case in a close area.

 

[Plumeria5]

What's that from? Tia


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Is that Alexis Murphy at the gas station?

She also has a sparkly top on.

 

[otto]

Right here is where things seem to go wrong

"1:08 a.m. Graham is captured on surveillance video at Tuel's Jewelers on East Main Street. The video shows the man walking some distance behind her.

After 1:08 a.m. Graham and a man with dreadlocks enter Tempo Restaurant & Bar on Fifth Street Southeast. He buys alcohol, they stay 15 minutes and leave together.

1:20 a.m. Graham texts friends, "I'm coming to a party...but I'm lost." It was the last time she had contact with anyone. If her phone pinpointed her location, police have not released the information, and police did not clarify whether the text was sent before or after leaving the bar."

The 1:20AM phone pinpoint was a mile away from where she thought she was. Why did she get into a car with a complete stranger that could clearly overpower her? If she was in trouble, why didn't she ask for help at Tempo. Did he act like he knew everyone that worked there ... that would be a reason for her to not approach staff at Tempo for help. Did he tell her that he was going to the same party, and she was too drunk to realize that wasn't true.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/19/missing-virginia-student/15890571/

 

[absentia]

Just thinking about how long it took for Hannah to be reported missing (39 hours, from what I read), it made me wonder if Hannah lived alone in an apartment or if she had roommates.

she had roommates I heard - they had separate bedrooms. still seems like a long time to not notice. I had roommates for years and years and we always knew the general whereabouts of each other, esp the girls.

 

[bessie]

A posted photo must include a link.

 

[rtjedarling]

It's possible he gave her a lift back to her neighborhood and dropped her off. In that case, she was in his car and left behind evidence that gave police enough to get a search warrant of the apartment. But, maybe, just maybe BG didn't commit a crime other than supply alcohol to a minor. Perhaps something happened to Hannah after he dropped her off. We do know that other assaults occurred in her neighborhood that evening, that LE have so far said are unrelated. Perhaps they are unrelated, but the student neighborhood in the middle of the night might not be any safer than the sketchy neighborhoods.

Honestly, I don't know what to think.

Also to approach in the mall and take a 5'11'' girl in a sparkly gold top into a bar you are likely to be noticed, but as another poster said many criminal minds are stupid- it's because also impulsive. Maybe dreads handed her off somewhere else and something happened to her.

 

[RSC]

Crazy theory;
Dreads guy is well known for doing anything for a buck.

Predator pays dreads guy to find him an easy mark. Thinks dreads guy is too much of a criminal to sell him out.

In trying to reason it out, I came up with three possibilities:

1. He is that stupid.
2. His intent was comparatively benign (sex, etc.)
3. He was the middle man for the real predator and figured he wouldn't get busted because he wouldn't be the actual responsible party.

I'm a fan of Occam's Razor (1 or 2), but the third possibility keeps bugging me. Please God, light the way home for Hannah.

 

[razzledazzle]

I would find this believable, except that she didn't carry a purse. If I were going to buy drugs, I would not want to be stuffing them in my bra or elsewhere. There was nowhere for her to put the drugs, and she had no cash on her, as far as we know.

and girls like Hannah who may or may not do recreational drugs don't buy them ... they just partake when they are offered... speaking from long ago experience.

 

[hambirg]

Some take a stimulant ie adderall when they drink so they don't get so sloppy drunk. It makes for a hyper drunk effect, kind of like what we may be seeing here. moo

This is exactly what I think and posted it last night. I think she took some earlier but was still feeling too drunk so went looking for more before going back to party longer with her friends.

She probably knew of DBG just enough to know he could hook her up.

While I don't think he is a great guy. I do wonder if this is going to turn out to be a situation where she went and partied a bit more with him and ODed. Drug dealers and their roomates would likely cover that up instead of taking her to an ER. On the other hand, he could be a sexual predator...but then why Hannah and not some other intoxicated co-ed that I'm sure he comes into contact probably on a weekly basis while selling drugs at the mall?

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[absentia]

Right here is where things seem to go wrong

1:08 a.m. Graham is captured on surveillance video at Tuel's Jewelers on East Main Street. The video shows the man walking some distance behind her.

After 1:08 a.m. Graham and a man with dreadlocks enter Tempo Restaurant & Bar on Fifth Street Southeast. He buys alcohol, they stay 15 minutes and leave together.

1:20 a.m. Graham texts friends, "I'm coming to a party...but I'm lost." It was the last time she had contact with anyone. If her phone pinpointed her location, police have not released the information, and police did not clarify whether the text was sent before or after leaving the bar.

He phone pinpoint was a mile away from where she thought she was. Why did she get into a car with a complete stranger that could clearly overpower her? If she was in trouble, why didn't she ask for help at Tempo. Did he act like he knew everyone that worked there ... that would be a reason for her to not approach staff at Tempo for help.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/19/missing-virginia-student/15890571/

it's very possible she left dreadlocks after getting alcohol from him or getting a ride and then was assaulted in the area. there was a rash of assaults that weekend in that area.

otherwise the idea of a team is possible, but too convenient that the whole process was caught on tape. I think more likely people are seeing connections between known players where there are none. but, there could be. there are a lot of missing people in the area. maybe the cops just got lucky and their whole scheme was caught on tape this time.

 

[Hambone1480]

In regards to the women "high-fiving" the DG, I don't believe it has much to do with anything. I could be wrong, but I often recall guys doing stuff like this to girls while walking in a bar-type of area. It often happens like this: "You girls having fun tonight?" "Yea." "Well alright then, give me a high five."
I personally don't think a large group of people are usually involved in a disappearance like this. It could happen, but I don't think the odds favor it at all.

 

[JoCoKSEyes]

Lots of questions about why she would have went along with Dreadlocks. I believe she was out of her mind whacked out on something. What that was? Who knows, but it took away inhibitions, left her somewhat disassociated, and gave her an energy boost. GHB comes to mind.


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