VA - Herndon, Joseph Ryan shot, Christine Banfield stabbed, both deceased, in home - Feb 2023

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Husband's LE job (with weapon/ not the murder weapon though) Federal? or just local LE? Just wondering how these people know each other? Because, at least three of these people are acquainted. Wondering how a "nanny" charged with second degree MURDER has access to another gun and knows how to use it? And why would the husband implicate himself? And the two 911 calls - red herring? Bizarre.
 
Husband's LE job (with weapon/ not the murder weapon though) Federal? or just local LE? Just wondering how these people know each other? Because, at least three of these people are acquainted. Wondering how a "nanny" charged with second degree MURDER has access to another gun and knows how to use it? And why would the husband implicate himself? And the two 911 calls - red herring? Bizarre.
He was FBI so federal. The police haven’t publicly said how the family knew Joe Ryan but did say that he was not someone who had any type of relationship with the au pair, that it was Christine he knew. All your other questions are ones that I have plus more! Very convoluted situation.

I will say I would not be surprised if they arrested the au pair in order to try to get her to flip on someone else for a plea deal, since apparently she’s been more forthcoming in her interviews with LE than some others…
 
Has it been stated that his service revolver was not the murder weapon? Link?

Juliana's mom gave an interview. Repeats the story LE has discredited. If the family is not providing a lawyer and she isn't being helped by Brazilian government, perhaps Brendan Banfield is paying. The lawyer named for her in VA documents seems to be experienced. He was not appointed and she does not have a public defender.

 
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Officers were called to the home following a 911 call about a woman who was injured, Police Lt. Erin Weeks said at a news conference Thursday. Peres Magalhaes had called 911 to report that "a friend of hers was hurt," Weeks said.

A man, identified as Banfield's husband, then got on the phone and told the dispatcher "that an unknown male had entered his home and he had shot them," Weeks said. Investigators later learned that there were no signs of forced entry at the residence and that the husband was "outside of the home" when the crime took place, Weeks told reporters.

Banfield was discovered in an upstairs bedroom, police said in their initial news release. Ryan, who was known only to Banfield, was found nearby. Weeks said the scene at the home was "horrific."

 
Officers were called to the home following a 911 call about a woman who was injured, Police Lt. Erin Weeks said at a news conference Thursday. Peres Magalhaes had called 911 to report that "a friend of hers was hurt," Weeks said.

A man, identified as Banfield's husband, then got on the phone and told the dispatcher "that an unknown male had entered his home and he had shot them," Weeks said. Investigators later learned that there were no signs of forced entry at the residence and that the husband was "outside of the home" when the crime took place, Weeks told reporters.

Banfield was discovered in an upstairs bedroom, police said in their initial news release. Ryan, who was known only to Banfield, was found nearby. Weeks said the scene at the home was "horrific."

Possible scenario, IMO... Brenden and au pair conspired together...Brenden stabbed Christine and got Ryan to come over... Perhaps by sending a text and then au pair killed him. Brenden probably initially took the blame to stay in her good graces and keep her from talking. I have no doubt law enforcement will get to the bottom of this. I wonder how much digital evidence is playing a part in the investigation.
 
Case update at 2:45 minutes into the video

The Officer clearly states this this is still a developing case "its far from over", one arrest "at the moment" and says "It's complicated, its relationship based." Whether he is referring to the au pair and husband, the two deceased or a mix of all is still not pubilized. There must be a ton of electronic/phone evidence.
 
What I don't get is how a Federal law enforcement officer could ever think that he could get away with lying about what happened. He must know that there would be a thorough investigation. Claiming that he was the shooter was never going to hold up nor was calling Ryan an unknown intruder.

The only thing I can figure is that he was panicked and wasn't thinking clearly.
 
None of this makes sense. Why would the au pair call the husband? It would make more sense to call 911 first.

And where did the au pair get a gun?

Why did Ryan come to the house? Where in the house was his body found?

She called 911 15 minutes prior to the second call and disconnected.
What happened in these 15 minutes?

Per her mother's story, she was coming to work but saw a man entering the house. She called Brenden.

So...between Brenden arriving home, did M. call 911 for the first time? Why did it get disconnected? The child was in the house, remember. And her biggest concern should have been the child. And, also, th

LE said that the first disconnected, call came from inside the house?

Then Brenden and M. enter the house, B. and Ryan start fighting and M. shoots R.

How did she get the gun? Did B. give her own gun "to hold?" Unbelievable. Did she have own gun? Then, M. is not so innocent?

All I can see is that at this time, B. has an alibi of being outside the house when his wife is killed. Depending on whether the alibi holds or not, I can see two scenarios. However, both of them imply that M @ B are also, in a way, "not unknown" to one another ;)

In either case, what is suspicious is that M. is so much afraid of the unknown man that she stays outside the house, but the child is inside with a scary stranger - and the first 911 call is never finished.

Maybe, maybe, all is simpler. Her visa is expiring but she doesn't want to return home. So M., indeed, kills her employer's wife and her BF, but with the plan to take her place, and then blackmails B., with whom she is close and who is afraid of losing his job. This is the best outcome for B. But, the origin of the gun in her hand is questionable and prompts other scenarios, too.
 
Possible scenario, IMO... Brenden and au pair conspired together...Brenden stabbed Christine and got Ryan to come over... Perhaps by sending a text and then au pair killed him. Brenden probably initially took the blame to stay in her good graces and keep her from talking. I have no doubt law enforcement will get to the bottom of this. I wonder how much digital evidence is playing a part in the investigation.

I am not sure he planned to get rid of his wife, maybe he simply wanted to cover up a smaller but scandalous situation. Agatha Christie's story.

I have certain questions,

- in what capacity was Ryan known in the community?

- is it reasonable for someone linked romantically to a married woman, with husband in LE, to enter the house in the morning, in full public view, with a child in the house and au pair to emerge? Given that no one but CB knows him?

- People having affairs usually try to hide them better, so either the initial newspaper statement, that all four people in the house knew each other, is correct (I would suppose so), or Ryan knew CB in some other way, not romantic.

- an au pair by default is a live-in position. It is a cultural exchange program. Yet JP was coming up to the house in the morning. In newspaper articles she is identified as of Reston, not Herndon. Why wasn't she living all time in the house? Where was she coming from that morning, and where did she spend the previous night, outside the house or inside? For some reason, the difference between "having a day off and returning from a friend" vs "spent the night in the house, then left in the morning to do some shopping and was coming back" appears important to me.

- was JP in a vulnerable situation because she overstayed her visa? Did she hope that BB could help her get an extension?

- Herndon has very high population density. Is it believable that Ryan was known only to CB in that neighborhood? It is an upscale community, people are usually cautious and observant.

- What do outdoor cameras show?

- surely people around saw JP walking with the child? What did they think of her as the au pair? Did she appear attached to the child? Au pair has to have previous experience with children, 200 hours or more. Would it be typical for JP not to alert the police but to calmly wait till BB would arrive? Considering that the man who entered the house was not known to her, scared her, and there was her "friend" and a baby inside - with him? How did she know he didn't come to abduct the child? She called once but the call was dropped. Why? Does it fit the narrative that she didn't know him?

- same for BB. Imagine a man getting a call about a dangerous-looking guy, not known to anyone, entering his house. Wouldn't he tell the au pair to immediately call 911 if he had no clue who the invader was? Why would he decide to take it all upon himself?

- there was a "dropped" 911 call. Was the location inside the house, or outside? Why didn't the police drive to the house anyhow?

- the scene in the house is described as "horrible". I assume they mean, many knife wounds and a lot of blood. Yet CB was alive and died in the hospital. Ryan got shot in the torso many times. It seems that the "knifer" was not too experienced, but the shooter was. It also might indicate that ultimately, it was more important to silence Ryan than CB. Either someone didn't notice that she was alive, or knew that if CB could talk, she won't say anything incriminating.

- JP is a 23-year-old woman from Brazil. I had to check gun laws in Brazil - they have become more lax since 2019, but the minimal age for gun ownership remains 25. What surprises me is that JP is a good shooter, killed him aiming at the torso, not the head. So where did she learn to shoot that well? This is probably what's so surprising, the fact that the knife attack was messy but not instantly lethal, but a young inexperienced au pair was so efficient with the gun.

It seems to me that maybe all was unplanned, or planned by a very young woman, and badly. But - she had a reason to believe that it might work. As it stands, there are no winners today in this situation. If someone thinks that BB plan was to get rid of his wife, then, in a way it went OK because he is not arrested, but on the other hand, his name is everywhere and i would be surprised if professionally it is such great news. So honestly, I am not sure he planned anything here nor that he wanted to get rid of his wife. Likely, his involvement is of another kind, and it all came as unpleasant surprise. But if "red" is the initial statement- that all four people in the house knew each other - and "black" is the most recent one, that only CB knew Ryan - I would bet on "red." JMO.
 
What I don't get is how a Federal law enforcement officer could ever think that he could get away with lying about what happened. He must know that there would be a thorough investigation. Claiming that he was the shooter was never going to hold up nor was calling Ryan an unknown intruder.

The only thing I can figure is that he was panicked and wasn't thinking clearly.
He worked for the IRS as an investigator, now on leave, and I don't know if he had any training at all relevant to these issues. It's all a bit mystifying, maybe he thought as a form of LE he would be deferred to and his story not checked? Has that happened before?
 
FCPD Police Chief talks about the case on the Sports Junkies today. Scroll to where it says "Chief Kevin Davis" Hour 4. Starts at timestamp 4:30.

The chief seems confident. I still remember being struck by his word choices the day of the murders, he was on the scene. I hope they are able to unravel it all. I'm guessing there may have been attempts at diversion electronically, etc.
 
I am not sure he planned to get rid of his wife, maybe he simply wanted to cover up a smaller but scandalous situation. Agatha Christie's story.

I have certain questions,

- in what capacity was Ryan known in the community?

- is it reasonable for someone linked romantically to a married woman, with husband in LE, to enter the house in the morning, in full public view, with a child in the house and au pair to emerge? Given that no one but CB knows him?

- People having affairs usually try to hide them better, so either the initial newspaper statement, that all four people in the house knew each other, is correct (I would suppose so), or Ryan knew CB in some other way, not romantic.

- an au pair by default is a live-in position. It is a cultural exchange program. Yet JP was coming up to the house in the morning. In newspaper articles she is identified as of Reston, not Herndon. Why wasn't she living all time in the house? Where was she coming from that morning, and where did she spend the previous night, outside the house or inside? For some reason, the difference between "having a day off and returning from a friend" vs "spent the night in the house, then left in the morning to do some shopping and was coming back" appears important to me.

- was JP in a vulnerable situation because she overstayed her visa? Did she hope that BB could help her get an extension?

- Herndon has very high population density. Is it believable that Ryan was known only to CB in that neighborhood? It is an upscale community, people are usually cautious and observant.

- What do outdoor cameras show?

- surely people around saw JP walking with the child? What did they think of her as the au pair? Did she appear attached to the child? Au pair has to have previous experience with children, 200 hours or more. Would it be typical for JP not to alert the police but to calmly wait till BB would arrive? Considering that the man who entered the house was not known to her, scared her, and there was her "friend" and a baby inside - with him? How did she know he didn't come to abduct the child? She called once but the call was dropped. Why? Does it fit the narrative that she didn't know him?

- same for BB. Imagine a man getting a call about a dangerous-looking guy, not known to anyone, entering his house. Wouldn't he tell the au pair to immediately call 911 if he had no clue who the invader was? Why would he decide to take it all upon himself?

- there was a "dropped" 911 call. Was the location inside the house, or outside? Why didn't the police drive to the house anyhow?

- the scene in the house is described as "horrible". I assume they mean, many knife wounds and a lot of blood. Yet CB was alive and died in the hospital. Ryan got shot in the torso many times. It seems that the "knifer" was not too experienced, but the shooter was. It also might indicate that ultimately, it was more important to silence Ryan than CB. Either someone didn't notice that she was alive, or knew that if CB could talk, she won't say anything incriminating.

- JP is a 23-year-old woman from Brazil. I had to check gun laws in Brazil - they have become more lax since 2019, but the minimal age for gun ownership remains 25. What surprises me is that JP is a good shooter, killed him aiming at the torso, not the head. So where did she learn to shoot that well? This is probably what's so surprising, the fact that the knife attack was messy but not instantly lethal, but a young inexperienced au pair was so efficient with the gun.

It seems to me that maybe all was unplanned, or planned by a very young woman, and badly. But - she had a reason to believe that it might work. As it stands, there are no winners today in this situation. If someone thinks that BB plan was to get rid of his wife, then, in a way it went OK because he is not arrested, but on the other hand, his name is everywhere and i would be surprised if professionally it is such great news. So honestly, I am not sure he planned anything here nor that he wanted to get rid of his wife. Likely, his involvement is of another kind, and it all came as unpleasant surprise. But if "red" is the initial statement- that all four people in the house knew each other - and "black" is the most recent one, that only CB knew Ryan - I would bet on "red." JMO.
It's my understanding that since the first hang up call was from a cell they could not send anyone. JMO.
Her visa did not expire until fall, she was in her second extended year with the Banfields when the murders happened.
 
She called 911 15 minutes prior to the second call and disconnected.
What happened in these 15 minutes?

Per her mother's story, she was coming to work but saw a man entering the house. She called Brenden.

So...between Brenden arriving home, did M. call 911 for the first time? Why did it get disconnected? The child was in the house, remember. And her biggest concern should have been the child. And, also, th

LE said that the first disconnected, call came from inside the house?

Then Brenden and M. enter the house, B. and Ryan start fighting and M. shoots R.

How did she get the gun? Did B. give her own gun "to hold?" Unbelievable. Did she have own gun? Then, M. is not so innocent?

All I can see is that at this time, B. has an alibi of being outside the house when his wife is killed. Depending on whether the alibi holds or not, I can see two scenarios. However, both of them imply that M @ B are also, in a way, "not unknown" to one another ;)

In either case, what is suspicious is that M. is so much afraid of the unknown man that she stays outside the house, but the child is inside with a scary stranger - and the first 911 call is never finished.

Maybe, maybe, all is simpler. Her visa is expiring but she doesn't want to return home. So M., indeed, kills her employer's wife and her BF, but with the plan to take her place, and then blackmails B., with whom she is close and who is afraid of losing his job. This is the best outcome for B. But, the origin of the gun in her hand is questionable and prompts other scenarios, too.
LE said he was not in the house at the time of the shooting.
They have not gone into detail or as of yet charged the stabbing.
 
It's my understanding that since the first hang up call was from a cell they could not send anyone. JMO.
Her visa did not expire until fall, she was in her second extended year with the Banfields when the murders happened.

So what are the rules these days? I assume that most people use cellphones now. I think LE can determine the origin of the call even if it is from the cellphone? Herndon, very densely populated, must have had a great cellphone coverage. Did they mean, a burner phone?
 
So what are the rules these days? I assume that most people use cellphones now. I think LE can determine the origin of the call even if it is from the cellphone? Herndon, very densely populated, must have had a great cellphone coverage. Did they mean, a burner phone?
In the first press conference the chief says a cell phone does not give them an exact location that they can send help to, that is why the first hang up did not result in a response, it was just logged. He specified that both calls came from the au pair's cell phone, not a burner phone. That press conference took place the day of the murders and can be found online.
 
In the first press conference the chief says a cell phone does not give them an exact location that they can send help to, that is why the first hang up did not result in a response, it was just logged. He specified that both calls came from the au pair's cell phone, not a burner phone. That press conference took place the day of the murders and can be found online.

Yes, i read about it. It raises questions. So why is there "SOS" function in iPhones? Kind of odd that LE can't triangulate the position of the cell phone in Herndon, sorry.
 

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