Found Deceased VA - Morgan Dana Harrington, 20, Charlottesville, 17 Oct 2009 - #2

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Snipped for space, Le Singe;

As I read the post above by eyespeeled, (and your repsonse also above, Le Singe) it seems to me that poster, "eyespeeled" is doing what we all are doing... having a discussion about the case. And people are all limited to speculating on theories b/c no one knows -- since Morgan is still missing.

It is unclear as to what you're proposing is (or is not) 95% fact. Just trying to follow.

I'm curious to understand how it is that a fellow poster sharing his/her ideas is being characterized as "extremely unhelpful?" What is the alternative? We all sit tight til there is an arrest and the trial is in full swing, and then we discuss the outcome? I cant believe anyone here at this site has intent to be "extremely unhelpful" - quite the conrtrary, imo.

So are you saying that your fear is that Jane Doe, who is on the brink of calling in a legit tip, is allowing an anonymous poster on a website to dictate her actions?

As far as I am aware, no one knows for whom LE is looking.

In past cases, for example, a girlfriend of the perp noticed that her paramour happened to be conveniently "gone" on all the nights that various girls went missing. I understood eyespeeled post to be addressing that type of scenario. I find that a very plausible possibility.

In another case, the wife noticed that hubby came home and immediately washed his clothes which was unprecedented for him since he barely knew where the washer was located; She found that suspicious especially when coupled with other odd things she noticed about his activities .... b/c she was paying attention.

So basically, Le Singe, I read eyespeeled's post as simply calling attention to the possibility that a potential perp may perhaps be someone who has suddenly and conspicuously veered from his known routine without apparent reasonable cause. That's how I read it anyway, but Eyespeeled can correct me if need be. FWIW, that's how I took it and I thought it was helpful and plausible. :)

moo

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in the post in question it said

"LE should put the word out that they're looking for people who havent shown up to work for a week unexplained...."

I have no problem at all with any theories and all the theory eyespeeled put out are as possible as any other what i would have a problem with is LE "put the word out that they're looking for people who haven't shown up to work for a week unexplained" b/c then someone with credible information may think it is not relevent and decide not to call it in if it did not pertain to someone who had been absent from work. For whatever reason people are often hesitent to call in there neighbors co-works etc. and this could be enough for them to justify not doint it (again we are talking about LE putting it out not at all about anything posted here). This could cause them not to get important information in a timely manner and i'm sure we can all see how I could consider that to be "extremly unhelpful". I would not even thought anything of the post if it said something similar to "I think its worth looking for some one who has missed work" or even "I think whoever did this missed work for a week" what i would have a problem is LE putting that word out without justification, so what i was saying is I disagree the "LE should put the word out that they're looking for people who havent shown up to work for a week unexplained....". The reason being beyond just not helping it might actually hurt (once again I stress if might hurt for LE to do this).

The bigger picture what I'm trying to say is in cases like this I always hear people say they should do this or that, and they are 'playing close to the vest' which is hurting the chances of finding someone, and basically they give LE and the families hell for not releasing information, suggesting that they don't know what they are doing etc. I think most of them base this on the thinking that 'what do they have lose by letting the information out' and i'm saying its in reality a much more complex issue than people of this opinion seem to realize and there is something to be lost by releasing information that is just theory and conjecture. Again to clarify I mean there is some thing to be lost by some type of OFFICAL agency releasing such things. This is the basis of my extremly unhelpful remark (i.e. it would extremly unhelpful if LE did this not referring to anything anyone post here)

So please please do not think I have any problems with any one posting any kind of theory at all. What I took issue with was the 'such and such should do this or that' this is probibly in part due to miss judging the tone of the post. I don't have any problem with anyone saying anything, but i didn't agree with saying the father should do this (implied) or that LE should do this (explicitly stated). I felt like it was beyond putting for theories, but again this is most likely me miss interperting the tone of the post.

Anyhow is was not my intent to start an agruement or be disrespectful to anyone so I appolgize an hope we can move on.
 
do we have the videolink of the video where the three men escort out the girl?

or did we already have that? and was it discussed?
 
never mind...i am assuming this is the same ol youtube post we had before, with thegirl and the ankle high boots, who came forward? and metallica was playing at this time too.

are we actually ahead of LE on some piece of evidence?
 
In past cases, for example, a girlfriend of the perp noticed that her paramour happened to be conveniently "gone" on all the nights that various girls went missing. I understood eyespeeled post to be addressing that type of scenario. I find that a very plausible possibility.


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So to further explain what i'm trying to say in the case the information that was released (i.e. the night the girls went missing) was factual. This lead to an arrest that otherwise most likely would not have been possible. This is a good thing ie helpful.

NOW

Let say in the above there were 4 other missing girl cases that people theorize might be related to the others. These 4 cases turned out to be totally unrelated to the others, but at the time no one knows this. What would happen if LE released look for ppl that were away at these date and included the 4 unrelated dates. I think its likely that the girlfriend probibly didn't want to have to call in the guy b/c no one wants to think anyone they no muchless their SO is capable of these types of things. So the GF could easily look at the 4 dates that were erroniously included based on a theory and decide "oh he was home on those 4 days it can't be him" and i think there would be a 50/50 chance she may never call it in and the case may never be solved.

another example is a case that happened in my town i'll try to be brief but it is the derrick todd lee case i'm sure there is some information out there on the web about it. But basically earily on in the serise of killings two things happened. 1. one someone thought they saw someone driving a white pickup truck with a body in it on the night of one of the crimes near where the body was found 2. around the same time the FBI profilers came out with a profile that said the killer was white or hispanic (is a whole nother story for another day why this was a blunder).

So after this our city and surrounding area was going crazy looking for a white or hispanic guy driving a white truck. It also turns out that some detectives brought the name of the suspect to the task force (they had experience with the guy and he had a long history of being a volient sex offender) but it was discounted b/c he was africian american, and did not currently or ever in the past have a white truck. SO a year goes by with people going crazy looking for white guy white truck AND 3 or maybe 4 i can't remember more women are murdered (this is after the name of the suspect had been brought to the task forces attention) they get a lucky break and start thinking maybe he is african american they immediately get this guy swabbed and case closed. In this case theory one came for reasonable eye witness testimony and theory two came for the FBI who usually know what they are doing. So both were very reasonable theorys; However they were still theories and they turn out to be wrong theories and the fact that LE (note:LE not message board posters just to be clear) put so much faith in these theories cost three women their lives.
 
Very odd about Morgan's missing person posters being torn down! That makes me livid! Any time that happens it raises my hinky meter. I wish there was video showing who removed them.
 
"Rader attempted to dispel concerns that the missing 20-year-old was under the influence of any substances but did confirm that Harrington merely intended to go to the bathroom when she found herself outside the Arena and, consequently, barred from reentry by Arena policy."

http://www.readthehook.com/blog/index.php/2009/10/21/morgans-mystery-what-happened-outside-arena/#

The only way I could think anyone would end up outside after going to the bathroom would be if the lines were super long and she figured she could just "use the bushes" so to speak. However, seems unlikely that she would have done this...I feel like using the bathroom outside is more akin to a house party/frat party scene than a concert facility with bathrooms-no matter how long the line is!

Another thing to note is that security would have certainly alerted her that there was a no re entry policy as she went outside, especially if Metallica was supposed to go on minutes after she left for the 'bathroom' at 8:30



Most places have plenty of restrooms inside. I can't understand how she ended up outside either. As far as not being able to get back in...don't most places stamp you so that if you have to go outside you can get back in? This is a confusing situation. I'm surprised that she went alone. I'm old and if I'm somewhere with a friend and especially at concert...new country...we go together to the bathroom just like most girls do regardless of their ages.

I also don't understand why the girls didn't call this girl's home before they left the concert just to see if she made it home as they had her car. I don't understand why everyone waited so long to call LE either. There were hours lost because the girls didn't call the parents for so long. Here it was this girl who had all of the tickets and they took her car to the concert...she gets locked outside of the concert and everyone just carrys on inside the concert without a worry I guess. They can't find her after the concert and go on home instead of to LE. Then the wait hours before contacting her parents. I just don't get it at all.

I haven't heard that anyone has seen this girl since she went missing and that isn't good. I wonder if she caught a ride home with someone from the concert but they didn't take her home???? I hope she is found soon...alive.
 
One thing I haven't seen posted is the possibility of a relationship with a professor. If that was going on they may have gone to great lengths to keep it secret.
 
Deleted my last post, I was only halfway thru this new thread when I posted.

Question for those of you also following the facebook group: who is "C. Walton" organizing the group? He isn't a member of any university "network," do we know how he knows Morgan? He seems super involved, almost creepily so.
 
never mind...i am assuming this is the same ol youtube post we had before, with thegirl and the ankle high boots, who came forward? and metallica was playing at this time too.

are we actually ahead of LE on some piece of evidence?

Yes, it's the same video of the girl who came forward as you say. This is categorically not Morgan in the video-they only looked at it because the FB page brought it up and sent it to them. I find it odd that they had not found this themselves with the many videos and photos up there of the concert.
I find it worrying also that there was that couple (I mentioned a page earlier) who called in about seeing her and speaking to her and LE never called them back -you'd think they would have gone over and over this. I asked the guy if his friend is the same couple who called it in on a local radio station that they had seen her, teased her about her Pantera t-shirt being the wrong show and she was visibly very upset and angry-the guy did not get back to me.
I know they are doing their job and they must know things we don't-it's just odd to me that it comes up on Facebook and 24 hrs later it's in the news that LE are looking into it.
 
Deleted my last post, I was only halfway thru this new thread when I posted.

Question for those of you also following the facebook group: who is "C. Walton" organizing the group? He isn't a member of any university "network," do we know how he knows Morgan? He seems super involved, almost creepily so.

4 or 5 of them are, all across the country and beyond-I don't find it that surprising they are so involved. I've seen the same amount of involvement for complete stranger on WS in the past. C W is not the person who set up the page -it's W Townsend
J Valentino is equally very very active and has done a lot of work gathering searchers. I understand it may seem odd and I don't agree with some of the things C Walton has said and the way he said it (very religious, mystical etc) but the ideas are coming, being researched and they are keeping it up there and working very hard and I think it's good.
 
so if u wantd to find a way bak to h-burg, how do u do that? look for school colors or a jmu sticker? or do u just start asking people? who is gonna b going back to jmu before the concert is over? and why not just buy another ticket? if u ask people, wont they have to tell u where they came from first? assuming someone didnt just grab her...altho, if she wants to find a ride she has to start asking and interacting with people right? so now u should expand the search to jmu as well or places along that way? maybe people who were gonna party and then head back? would u find one person or a group? id probably find several people and something to id them as from h-burg. if it was students that took her, it might be less likely that they would keep her alive, im guessing. they might also take her money/atm card too, to pay for gas? or drinks, etc. then maybe look for who returned several hours later to h-burg, but didnt see metallica (with the assumptions in play that she found a potential ride)
 
Norma Parson believes she saw Morgan Harrington on the University of Virginia grounds at 3:45 a.m. last Sunday, just a few hours after she disappeared. Parson delivers newspapers to the University. She believes she saw Morgan Harrington walking with three men down the sidewalk of the Academical Village.

"She walked right by me with boots on and you could not have missed her," said Parson.

Parson says she called the police Tuesday when she saw Harrington's picture for the first time. Investigators gathered the information from her.
She never got the chance to give a description of the men which she believed would help.


http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/66248292.html


no one can give detailed descriptions :(
 
So to further explain what i'm trying to say in the case the information that was released (i.e. the night the girls went missing) was factual. This lead to an arrest that otherwise most likely would not have been possible. This is a good thing ie helpful.

NOW

Let say in the above there were 4 other missing girl cases that people theorize might be related to the others. These 4 cases turned out to be totally unrelated to the others, but at the time no one knows this. What would happen if LE released look for ppl that were away at these date and included the 4 unrelated dates.

I think its likely that the girlfriend probibly didn't want to have to call in the guy b/c no one wants to think anyone they no muchless their SO is capable of these types of things.

So the GF could easily look at the 4 dates that were erroniously included based on a theory and decide "oh he was home on those 4 days it can't be him" and i think there would be a 50/50 chance she may never call it in and the case may never be solved.

bbm

Imo, if it were likely that the girlfriend probably didn't want to have to call-in the guy b/c no one wants to think anyone they know, much less their significant other, as you mentioned - is capable of these types of things, then it is unlikely that this woman will call it in period - regardless of what the police request.

Additionally, imo if someone is an innocent citizen who had no involement in the disappearance of the woman, then this person is just as likely as everyone else to be concerned about a perp being "on the streets" in their area; Therefore they too would want him apprehended just like everyone else does - for the sake of the missing victim and for any potential future victims, as well as the safety of the community. If ruling someone out helps the cause, many folks would likely be all for it. When a person is missing and someone hasn't done any abducting or kidnapping, there is nothing to hide, imo. Also, imo, just "being gone" during some particular stated time doesn't have to be the sole impetus. I'm saying that what I understood from the post in question is that the gist of it was the issue of the big picture... as a whole ....in context that may have merit. Imo, it's not just the act "being gone," but being gone... out of the blue... or breaking a routine... or doing it suddenly... no notice... or with no history of this behavior... or with leaving no contact info.... or with no reasonable explanation...

Moreover, let's say for illustration for example, there was talk of a tip - a description of a male in a black van; Let's say there are 3 seemingly random men who each own XYZ model black vans. One has been talking about trading it in b/c of the mileage and he's never been crazy about the color, black. Then on whatever day he does just that.. goes to some dealer and trades it for whatever color, white van. It's no secret. And the trade-in is right there in the dealer lot. Now he has a white van whereas before he had a black van. He then goes on vacation as planned, fishing with his buddes at Lake so-n-so. He is exactly where he said he'd be -- at the lake with friends fishing. The trade in is in the lot. His correct name and address are on the dealer's paperwork for the trade-in.

The next dude wants to give his van to his graduating son and he hates the black color; So dad wants to have it painted to fix it up a bit since it's going to be a gift. He takes it to some auto shop that does painting and detail work on whatever day in question. Now he has a van that is green whereas before it was black. He gives it to the son and the son goes on his graduation trip as planned. He can be reached in Destin just as he said he could be reached .. with the van... of a different color, green.

The third guy is standing in a deserted warehouse parking lot at midnight with a can of spray paint. He proceeds to spray paint the vehicle beige ...in the rain... in the dark. He and his gf go home. The next day she comes home from work and he's gone; He doesnt return home for days, didn't announce his departure and left no contact number; and this is not his routine..... ever - not even close. He 's gone and so is the black van - except now it's beige.

All three individuals are male;

All three individuals have XYZ originally black vans.

All three individuals have changed the color of their vehicles on the given day in question.

All three individuals are "gone" ....as in left their houses and are elsewhere for days.

Even if all three wives/ gf's called it in, LE can decide who they want to pursue given each situation. However, unless LE has already obtained sufficient info that they need on their own and unless they are already aware of these people deduced by their own detective work, they wouldnt be able pursue any of them if no one called it in... unless LE already had the info. I'd rather they have it, not need it, and disregard it, -- than to want it, need it, and not have it.

MOO
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so 3 men-college age or older? what were they wearing? what do they look like...so she went to party with them and they promised to go back to h-burg? or checkin somewhere? was their car parked near jpj or somewhere else? sounds like the brit drexel case. so now we know she had to have been seen at a party or a bar? with several dudes-the perps i guess? these dudes frequent the uva area i wonder? but from h-burg? has their description been circ'd in h-burg/jmu? uva? who had the party? what bars are in the area? people partying after the concert might have seen her.
 
Hi I'm new to these forums, but I have been following the story on this forum for the past couple of days..Has anyone read this yet?http://http://crimesearchersonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1116:morgan-harrington-is-missing&catid=27:missing-persons&Itemid=130 Sorry if it has been posted before, but I didn't think it was posted on here before.

"UPDATE: Previous news reports of her car being in the parking lot are false. Police corrected the record stating that she road with firends)"
 
Norma Parson believes she saw Morgan Harrington on the University of Virginia grounds at 3:45 a.m. last Sunday, just a few hours after she disappeared. Parson delivers newspapers to the University. She believes she saw Morgan Harrington walking with three men down the sidewalk of the Academical Village.


From the news report:
She never got the chance to give a description of the men which she believed would help.

"I can't believe no one else saw that woman wearing all that black and that mini way up her hips, and them high knee boots," said Parson. "She was too noticeable with those long legs."

The Virginia State Police say they followed up with Parson's story, but, it did not produce any significant leads

(my bolding)
Am I reading this correctly?!?!? :waitasec:
The woman is/was ready and willing to give a description of the 3 men and the cops didn't/wouldn't take the info!?!? But then the cops say there was not any significant lead?!?! Please, please tell me I'm reading this wrong!! :help:
 
From the news report:

(my bolding)
Am I reading this correctly?!?!? :waitasec:
The woman is/was ready and willing to give a description of the 3 men and the cops didn't/wouldn't take the info!?!? But then the cops say there was not any significant lead?!?! Please, please tell me I'm reading this wrong!! :help:

Could I have the linky to that news article?
 
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