VA VA- Unidentified 12-year-old abducted in Spotsylvania, 4 July 2013

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I don't see how it could be a 'made up' story. The bike exists as it is laying there in the field, abandoned. And the woman is a local mother, who has no reason to make up a story about a kidnapped child. If anyone was going to get involved and speak up, it would be a mom who lives right there where the abduction took place. I believe her story, but I am wondering if it might be an abusive parent that does not want to come forward.
 
I don't see how it could be a 'made up' story. The bike exists as it is laying there in the field, abandoned. And the woman is a local mother, who has no reason to make up a story about a kidnapped child. If anyone was going to get involved and speak up, it would be a mom who lives right there where the abduction took place. I believe her story, but I am wondering if it might be an abusive parent that does not want to come forward.

Agreed. They should be looking at all open & recently closed CPS cases.
 
WVEC.com just posted tht the alert has be en cancelled....no other info was given.
 
Someone would recognize that van though. It's been all over their news there. The changing details is concerning because there are what 2 witnesses? 3? The details have changed much more than a few people should need them to. I mean, a dozen people could witness something and they should all be able to say what color shirt the perp was wearing. White or black, there is a big difference between those...so why the discrepancy? It's not like LE is asking what shade of blue someone's jeans are! Was the kid riding the bike or walking and then stopped to look at it? We heard it had two flat tires, but the picture shows one. The kid's hair went from Justin Beiber hair to mid back to mid neck. And all of this with no child ever reported missing and nobody to show the public and say, "we're looking for THIS KID."

From what I understand, and correct me if I'm wrong... there was ONE eye witness from quite a distance, and then others who have said they either saw the child, or saw the van, or heard the bike being ridden w/ a flat tire (the one person's babysitter), but none of them were also actual witnesses to the kidnapping? Just the one mother saw it? Is that right?

It was my thought that that this woman who witnessed this kidnapping saw the bike and made up a story line to go with it. Lots of people crave attention and make up things to get it.
 
Statement from Virginia State Police on cancellation of Endangered Child Alert:

"The Endangered Child Alert for the Spotsylvania County incident has been cancelled in compliance with the program guidelines. The Alert is only to be run for 24 hours and the 24 hour window expired a short while ago. This does not mean the search/investigation into the incident has ceased. For the latest on the efforts to locate the child, please contact the lead investigative agency – Spotsylvania County Sheriff’s Office."



Read more: http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/227704...t-canceled-but-search-continues#ixzz2YDuCqaLF
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I'm so disappointed ...I thought he may have been found. :(
 
I don't see how it could be a 'made up' story. The bike exists as it is laying there in the field, abandoned. And the woman is a local mother, who has no reason to make up a story about a kidnapped child. If anyone was going to get involved and speak up, it would be a mom who lives right there where the abduction took place. I believe her story, but I am wondering if it might be an abusive parent that does not want to come forward.

I agree with you, and also wonder if its an abusive parent or step-parent situation. I don't think the witness(s) made anything up, but I do think they were able to get alot of detail for something, that if an abduction, would've happened I think more quickly than an angry parent dragging the boy into the van.
It would definitely explain no missing children reported and no one coming forward to say "that was me and they didn't see what they think they saw". I can't figure, however, why nobody knows who owns that van given that the description is so detailed.....unless the owner of that can is "scary" to more than just the boy and people hesitate to come forward with info identifying him....
 
But its such an obvious vehicle, that anyone who works w/ the driver, lives near the driver, or heck, even knows of the driver indirectly (such as, "I see that van every day parked _____!") would know that is the van being reported on and could report it anonymously. I mean, it's not your average kidnapper in a creepy white van type situation! It's SKY BLUE!!
 
The response to this case was darn near immediate it seems... With it being a holiday yesterday, I would think more officers were out on patrol. The woman presumably called 911 immediately after the child was taken. The description of the vehicle went out to all of the officers, and it is a very OBVIOUS sounding van! A sky blue colored van with bondo, some tinting on some windows? One window in the back on one door but not the other, I mean COME ON!!! I think that if this van actually existed, it would stand out like a sore thumb and would have been spotted quickly.

unless it was promptly hidden. ordriven out of town/state.
 
I just had a thought. What if the kid had already been previously taken and had managed to get away. Then the guy in the van found him again and grabbed him. Could explain why no one has reported a missing kid locally. MOO
this is a good thought but then the description of a red, white and blue striped shirt with blue shorts makes me think this is not a child already living in distress since he was dressed in festive 4 of July attire
 
As a dedicated, virtually daily participant here at WS, I am constantly researching attempted abductions in order to try to find links to other missing cases. What is really sad and scary is that if you google "attempted abduction" and other similar search terms, you will find that this seems to happen almost daily in the United States. There are sooo many creepos out there who try to pull kids into vehicles, especially vans. I actually remarked about this recently while researching possible attempted abductions linked to the Chrysler van described in Jessica Heeringa's case: (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9590942&postcount=788 ).

It is unbelieeeeevable how often this happens, people trying to lure kids into cars! Thank goodness many of the children get away. There was a case recently where a man drove by, grabbed a child and put her in the trunk with the mom standing right there!!

*This is what leads me to believe this could definitely be one of those types of abductions, because I've read hundreds of articles describing almost the same set of circumstances and it sounds just like those instances.

Hopefully the FBI has put out an APB / notice to the borders!
 
If that van has been seen around the neighborhood lately perhaps because he is working in the area it should be back today unless the person took a "long weekend"....maybe by Monday he will be spotted again if he is in fact a local construction guy.

SBM. Unless he's just finished a job and is no longer in the area anymore. Maybe he abducted this boy on his way out of town? Although, this doesn't help explain why the boy has not been reported missing yet. Someone earlier threw up the idea that maybe the family are living there illegally, I think this would definitely explain why no one has come forward. Could it be possible that the family are also new in the area? This would explain why none of the children seemed to know him, and why people have only seen him around in the past few weeks.

The different details is what IMO makes it true. People remember things wrong & differently,

A few years back I worked in a small grocery store, and one night when I was on the registers I was robbed. The police showed up and asked for the description of the man, and I was WAY off in the details I gave. We then looked over the surveillance and I was blown away by how wrong I was. They explained to me that it's very rare for eye witnesses to have the same recollection and description of events, or even to give reliable descriptions of the offender, especially in a situation like a robbery where it's something high stress and is over very quickly. I think that each witness in this case will have a different description for this very reason.

I have to say, I was very surprised to wake up this morning and find there is not yet an ID for this boy, and that he hadn't been found yet. :(

JMO :twocents:
 
SBM. Unless he's just finished a job and is no longer in the area anymore. Maybe he abducted this boy on his way out of town? Although, this doesn't help explain why the boy has not been reported missing yet. Someone earlier threw up the idea that maybe the family are living there illegally, I think this would definitely explain why no one has come forward. Could it be possible that the family are also new in the area? This would explain why none of the children seemed to know him, and why people have only seen him around in the past few weeks.



A few years back I worked in a small grocery store, and one night when I was on the registers I was robbed. The police showed up and asked for the description of the man, and I was WAY off in the details I gave. We then looked over the surveillance and I was blown away by how wrong I was. They explained to me that it's very rare for eye witnesses to have the same recollection and description of events, or even to give reliable descriptions of the offender, especially in a situation like a robbery where it's something high stress and is over very quickly. I think that each witness in this case will have a different description for this very reason.

I have to say, I was very surprised to wake up this morning and find there is not yet an ID for this boy, and that he hadn't been found yet. :(

JMO :twocents:

I remember Oprah did an experiment like this on her show. While people were standing in line outside her studio, a purse snatching or something of the like was staged...all the witnesses descriptions varied immensely!!!
 
I remember Oprah did an experiment like this on her show. While people were standing in line outside her studio, a purse snatching or something of the like was staged...all the witnesses descriptions varied immensely!!!

Professor did that my first day in PSY 101

Fascinating stuff! Sure gives a real view of eye witness testimony huh?
 
<slightly o/t: "Spotsylvania" is an odd name / word.>

Funny you should say that. When people here started speculating if this might be a hoax I actually checked on Google maps to see if that town really existed! Weird name.

None of those are acceptable reasons for why this child is apparently missing but STILL unreported, IMO. What, parents just take their kids' word for it that they have a sleepover, and don't bother to check with the other parents to make sure it's actually a mutually agreed upon event? My mom always did. And the foster parent scenario? I doubt it. The thing is that it's been over 24 hours now, and even if the other kids are covering, or the parent thought their child was at another person's house for a sleepover... don't the parents start to think, "hmm... maybe my kid has worn out their welcome and I should make arrangements to pick them up or call to have them sent home?"

No not acceptable, but possible nonetheless. As I said the girl missing in Germany told her mom she is having a sleepover on Saturday and Sunday and will be back after school on Monday. So the mother realized only on Monday afternoon when she didn't come home from school that she was missing! She is 13.

Someone would recognize that van though. It's been all over their news there. The changing details is concerning because there are what 2 witnesses? 3? The details have changed much more than a few people should need them to. I mean, a dozen people could witness something and they should all be able to say what color shirt the perp was wearing. White or black, there is a big difference between those...so why the discrepancy? It's not like LE is asking what shade of blue someone's jeans are! Was the kid riding the bike or walking and then stopped to look at it? We heard it had two flat tires, but the picture shows one. The kid's hair went from Justin Beiber hair to mid back to mid neck. And all of this with no child ever reported missing and nobody to show the public and say, "we're looking for THIS KID."

From what I understand, and correct me if I'm wrong... there was ONE eye witness from quite a distance, and then others who have said they either saw the child, or saw the van, or heard the bike being ridden w/ a flat tire (the one person's babysitter), but none of them were also actual witnesses to the kidnapping? Just the one mother saw it? Is that right?

It was my thought that that this woman who witnessed this kidnapping saw the bike and made up a story line to go with it. Lots of people crave attention and make up things to get it.

I remember Oprah did an experiment like this on her show. While people were standing in line outside her studio, a purse snatching or something of the like was staged...all the witnesses descriptions varied immensely!!!

The changing/differing details don't surprise me either. I once saw a program just like the one Oprah had staged. It was amazing how the 12 witnesses described the jacket of the "thief" in all kinds of different colors! And they were certain of it! Only a few of them got it right.
 
RE the van - I have never seen a van with only one window in the back doors. Either both doors have them or neither does. So I am thinking that the witness might mean the door without a window really might be missing a window eg; broken glass so the hole is covered with something OR the van was originally designes with both or without both windows on the back doors but the owner changed a door and didn't get an exact match. I would check the salvage yards to see if anyone has enquired about a rear door for a van. BTW what make was the van? IMO
 
RE the van - I have never seen a van with only one window in the back doors. Either both doors have them or neither does. So I am thinking that the witness might mean the door without a window really might be missing a window eg; broken glass so the hole is covered with something OR the van was originally designes with both or without both windows on the back doors but the owner changed a door and didn't get an exact match. I would check the salvage yards to see if anyone has enquired about a rear door for a van. BTW what make was the van? IMO

Something like this maybe?

http://www.dkhardware.com/product-24447-vw40391l-fixed-window-left-rear-door-1997-chevy-gmc-vans-23-1-8-x-20-1-16.html?mr:trackingCode=D752A810-CDE0-E111-9B44-001B21BCB944&mr:referralID=NA&mr:adType=pla&mr:ad=18074697612&mr:keyword=&mr:match=&mr:filter=40818742692&gclid=CPbYnLGQmrgCFZA7MgodTUAA9A

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Probably not related, but here's a kidnapping mentioning a light blue van (Alabama):

http://blog.al.com/live/2012/09/post_243.html

It appears to be somewhat domestic kidnapping (stepfather), physical description doesn't match, not sure if this case has been resolved, thought I'd mention it anyway.

<edit: coming across a million white van attempted abductions as usual....which brings to mind, maybe he recently painted the van blue? I'm trying to find out which vans "come in" medium blue / sky blue...>
 

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