Verdict is in! GUILTY of MURDER ONE - Hung Jury On Penalty Phase #2

[OEJ]

And respectfully, just because posters aren't reacting in the way you're reacting doesn't make their (respectfully posted) opinions less valuable ...

Amen!

 

[Litig8r]

Here's something very telling. Mr. F, according to what I've read, said he'd like to talk with Jodi and ask her what actually happened.

He has so little insight into Little Missy, even after all those days on the stand, that I think he believes there's a possibility she would actually tell him! :floorlaugh:

Even the fact that he would countenance such a question to this person shows he doesn't grasp her level of deviousness and deviance.

Excellent post. I'm gathering 18 has a major superiority complex, not unlike JA. What, pray tell, makes him think he'd be the one person in the world shed tell the truth to? She doesn't even know what the truth is! This right here demonstrates to me that he's thinking he's way more important than he actually is. And unfortunately, this time around it threw a wrench in the gears of justice. I've sleuthed him some, and I was fairly dismayed when I saw what he does for a living.

 

[dani]

So the foreman says they think it's "unfair that 12 average Americans who aren't lawyers had to make such a crucial decision."

HELLO.

That is what our jury system is all about. Is he freaking kidding me? They should have mentioned on their juror questionnaire that they had a "problem" with making such a crucial decision. What is he talking about??

Do you get the feeling he was one of the 4 that hung the jury? I do, from his comments on GMA. At 1st I thought the 4 would have been the women, but I've reversed that, due to the one woman that mouthed, "I'm so sorry" to the Alexander family. Now I'm thinking it was 4 of the men that couldn't get past her looks and her little Miss Abused victim ACT.

If I recall, many of us worried about that when we learned the jury was made up of mostly men. :twocents:

P.S. To our men here on WS…you guys are smarter than the average bear! :blowkiss:

 

[OEJ]

What's not fair? That it's going to be brutally difficult or that the state has to even go down that road as a result of the jurors being unable to come to a unanimous verdict?

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Now the penalty phase will have to be done all over again with another jury. Bill Zevakos says finding another impartial jury will be almost impossible.

“I just think it's going to be brutally difficult and quite frankly i don't think it's fair.”

http://www.insideedition.com/headlines/6389-jodi-ariass-juror-opens-up-about-trial

Sounds like he's advocating for her now.

 

[21merc7]

Excellent post. I'm gathering 18 has a major superiority complex, not unlike JA. What, pray tell, makes him think he'd be the one person in the world shed tell the truth to? She doesn't even know what the truth is! This right here demonstrates to me that he's thinking he's way more important than he actually is. And unfortunately, this time around it threw a wrench in the gears of justice. I've sleuthed him some, and I was fairly dismayed when I saw what he does for a living.

I don't know what he does for a living, but take it that he probably shouldn't have been chosen for jury duty.

I do know that my first reaction to his reasoning is that he has been in a similar relationship situation at some point in his life. Be it he as JA or a partner as JA. (Only no one died.) Just sayin'.

 

[LLC]

I wonder when the other jurors will speak out. I can't wait.

 

[kscornfed]

It is my opinion she was there with her family, and only my opinion. I feel she would have been there in that courtroom for her daughter if she was in the general area. I don't believe she was told that it was just another jury question. I would think the defense team/mitigation specialist would have notified her that it was something more and to come in.

Everyone else certainly got told that. Something's happening you need to be here for. She got the same info all the other family members got. I think the wait was because the court was waiting on them, too.

 

[Venom]

So the foreman says they think it's "unfair that 12 average Americans who aren't lawyers had to make such a crucial decision."

HELLO.

That is what our jury system is all about. Is he freaking kidding me? They should have mentioned on their juror questionnaire that they had a "problem" with making such a crucial decision. What is he talking about??

What did they think they were there for? Shouldn't they had mentioned that when asked if they could give the death penalty?

 

[LAMARQ]

Physical resemblance. Same dead eyes. Same blank expression.

Right, right. Thanks. I never heard of AS before and was more amazed and caught up in her words.

 

[Colt46]

At the risk of sounding naive, why did DV even play a role in this case? JA and TA were never married, never co-habitated, did not have children together, and did not share expenses. They were basically 'dating' off and on, and 'going steady' for a five month period. They did not even live in the same State for much of the time.

ALV had no business spending 5 days on the stand holding Travis up as the perpetrator of "DV" and JA as the victim of battered womans syndrome. According to the DV laws, JA could not even qualify as a DV victim in applying for a restraining order against Travis if she so desired.

Dr. <modsnip> tried to piggy-back on DV with his phony PTSD baloney when there was zero evidence that JA sufferred from any abuse whatsoever, other than a knife cut on her finger when she slaughtered Travis.

As far as the 'verbal /mental abuse' cited by the jury foreman, where is the evidence? Were we watching the same trial? The May 26 emails were evidence that JA had scammed and betrayed Travis in a manner that caused him more pain than the death of his father! Everything he said to JA was the truth! She was finally caught in her own web of lies, deceit, and whatever else drove Travis to call her a sociopath and the WORST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED TO HIM!

How can there ever be another mini-trial when the first trial was based on the scurrilous lies of the so-called experts, ALV and RS? This was not a case of self defense or DV - it is a case of a psychotic stalker who drove 1000 miles to slaughter her innocent victim for reasons known only to her.

The jury foreman got it wrong - so very wrong!






Domestic Violence Law Does Not Apply to Dating Couples - Courts lack jurisdiction to issue DV orders if couple doesn't live together.
By LawReader Senior Editor Stan Billingsley - Nov. 23, 2010



http://news.lawreader.com/2010/11/2...sue-dv-orders-if-couple-doesnt-live-together/

 

[Quester]

How did the juror/s even make it past voir dire with sentiments expressed in the following?

Once those sentiments were discovered, shouldn't that/those juror/s have been removed and replaced when it became clear to other jurors that those were their views?

[WZ, the foreman] tells The Associated Press jurors struggled with what they called a flawed system, explaining Arias wasn't "Jeffrey Dahmer or Charles Manson." They thought it was unfair that 12 average Americans who aren't lawyers had to make such a crucial decision.

http://dailyjournalonline.com/news/...cle_ec0512b3-8f2f-54ca-ba40-abd66f7854bc.html​

OMG! Flawed system? How about flawed jurors! :banghead:

The jurors weren't flawed. You are citing one media source that cites one member of the jury. Let's give this some more time.

IF, the sentiments the foreman stated above are true about some of the jurors then those particular jurors were not truthful during voir dire and later, once those opinions were expressed or discovered by the other jurors, those jurors who where unable to do their job as required and explained to them should have been kicked off and replaced.

So ... YES, IMO, those jurors, if what the foreman said is true, were flawed!!!

And ... the jurors who didn't report the jurors who couldn't do their job ALSO failed to properly report and IMHO were also flawed!!!

JMHO and UGGGHHHHH!

 

[kscornfed]

I wonder why they never mentioned she was armed with a gun and knives in a rental car when she got arrested. I know she said she was going camping with four strange men, but that just doesn't make sense. If she has PTSD over using a gun, and she had just killed someone, why in the world would she get a higher caliber weapon and go camping with people she didn't even know (great memory but didn't know the name of the people she's going camping with).

I'm going to ask AZ lawyer how this was kept out because I think it's important.

 

[TexMex]

*ding* *ding* *ding*

**advertiser censored* resolution is better any day than *NO* resolution. No one likes to be left hanging and everyone is in limbo until July.

That's where I was at. Y'all heard the case for over four months. Make a decision to finish your job.

 

[concernedmother]

If the go forward with the DP JM will make a comeback with a vengeance and use everything he can get into court.

 

[geevee]

56 days

And we shall hold vigil.

 

[LambChop]

It is my opinion she was there with her family, and only my opinion. I feel she would have been there in that courtroom for her daughter if she was in the general area. I don't believe she was told that it was just another jury question. I would think the defense team/mitigation specialist would have notified her that it was something more and to come in.

Even if it were a question she could have at least seen her daughter. The court called her for a reason.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Disagreements on strategy between JA and her DT .. three witnesses who saw bruises not called, and other witnesses who could have been called. Disclaimer: According to JA. From 20 mins in, she also says ineffective counsel because their lives were threatened, she thinks she was 'mostly' as co-operative as she could be with them.

Examples: arguments, more that she's fine to agreeing to disagree, but she wants to understand their description, sometimes certain individuals are 'hesitant to explain themselves' read: sick to death of being questioned by someone who didn't even finish school.

She says she was out of town at the time of the robbery at GMA's she was at a buddhist monastery of course .. she thinks there's been so much attention because there's no other news going on right now (really?), she thinks she is the first trial that's live streamed on the internet .. yeah right. NPD with a bullet much?

Sometimes she wishes she'd never met Travis (a lot of people wish she'd never met Travis)!

She really thinks she would have become a professional photographer.

Disagreed with no mitigating witnesses called .. she was right to defer to her attorneys that's for sure. So it wasn't Daryl and Patti's decision, it was her attorneys (KNEW IT).

She thinks there wasn't much proof .. she thinks manslaughter, was she shocked at 1st Degree, she thought she'd get 2nd - good.

Sounds like she's going to use the fact her attorneys wouldn't call other witnesses for appeal.

She thinks she's helped other prisoners in jail .. man lucky for them right Jodi, she's good for uplifting the mood according to her, she does it without knowing it but people come up and tell her how awesome she is .. sure they do Jodi. Mainly because of how positive she is, then the reporter reminds her she's supposed to be suicidal .. She's happy for those who are getting released and not jealous .. man she's such a trooper.

She owes it to others to do what she can to contribute. Not optimistic judge would give her chance of parole, she thinks the judge is for life based on rulings.

Asked to explain the brutality .. even if she can't remember .. she remembers severe mortal terror .. sure.

How's mom doing? Gave up receptionist job, no now she's a dental assistant. She lost her job. One minute she gave it up, then her job wasn't held. She's staying with family in Az. The trial has brought them closer.

'Remorse' at the end. It's not all about Jodi .. according to Jodi.

Why didn't she tell the truth early on .. she couldn't go there, she lost control .. big giveaway. She lost control.

http://www.kfyi.com/pages/broomhead.html?article=11314778

 

[MidwestMama]

I appreciate your dissection of the GMA interview Midwest Mama, but I sincerely disagree.

BBM. No that isnt what he is saying, imo. I really think he is saying what he means-



I also believe that he made it clear that he identified with Jodi and not with Travis. He states Jodi was not a good witness, but he is careful to qualify it first with his take on an aggressive prosecutor and indicating he wouldnt want to have been facing him.

In the subsequent interview with him he made a statement I found astonishing:
"This is a human and she did something terrible but why did she do it."

He is victim blaming. No question. He believes Jodi was mentally and verbally abused.

Link Here to NBC affiliate

Thank you for your points of view, you have some good ones. It took me forever to transcribe that because I have a "sticking" space bar and I see while I was transcribing other interviews were released. I have to go watch them. I have no "investment" in anyone on the jury. I just would like it if posters (and JOURNALISTS) post what was ACTUALLY said, and not some twisted version of it. I saw a lot of that this morning and it was frustrating. If someone posts something untrue or twisted, you are fighting a losing battle trying to clear it up because there have already 10 replies/reactions to the incorrect info before you get the first correction post up.
Everyone has their own point of view. I don't have a problem with that. Just PLEASE make sure that you (not YOU personally believe09 - a general YOU for all posters) posting correct information about what was said or done.

 

[21merc7]

Colt46,

I don't know. DV can be couples, regardless if married or just dating, legally written out that way or not. It just doesn't go to family Court, it goes to Criminal Court when no children or divorce $$$ involved.

I think JA was the violent one though.

 

[shelley921]

I wish this trial could be mandatory viewing or reading for all teenaged boys.

If the girl you're sleeping with is straight up crazy and you know it (the kind of crazy that slashes your tires and breaks into your house), don't keep sleeping with her. Even if she's the only available sex around or does kinky stuff other girls won't. Even if she's the best sex you ever had.

Don't keep having sex with the crazy. Staying alive is way better than a few minutes of sex with the crazy.

good advice and I would also say teach boys to stay away from women who don't have much going for them besides looks and sex. i don't have a son but if i did, i would hope he would value himself enough not to get mixed up with a parasitic woman with no education, no job skills who was looking to use him. i'd want him to stick with girls who have some education, ambition and goals and who bring something to the table besides SEX.