Verdict is in! GUILTY of MURDER ONE - Hung Jury On Penalty Phase #2

[Nymeria]

There is a video and transcript of the interview on this link:

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/jodi-arias-trial-jury-foreman-interview-william-zervakos-19247835

Foreman to me looks like he could be Jason Hawes Uncle or something. (Ghosthunters viewers know who I mean!)

Watcha think?-

 

[raisincharlie]

I think your right. I think JSS found that having the trial televised was more a hindrance then she anticipated. The case became huge on social media and cable shows have devoted almost 100% coverage to this case. I also thought JSS started doing a lot more behind the scenes, not wanting everything out for public consumption. If it means better chances of justice being done and makes a new jury have an easier time agreeing on a unanimous verdict then I am all for leaving the camera out of the courtroom.

BBM- I don't see, have never understood, why folks think leaving camera's out of courtrooms makes things easier for justice to be served. Truth is the goal in any trial, why hide it ? The public should see how things work or don't. Closed doors never invite improvement.

 

[Pink Panther]

Oh, all of you folks who actually viewed this interview are much braver than I. I'm electing to go into a media blackout for the time being. I prefer getting my news from everyone here.

At the end, he starts to say "I'm proud of my jury" and corrects to "I'm proud of my peers". Yep. He was the foreman all right and he voted Life.

moo

 

[Tipstaff]

IMO NO!

I've spent a LOT of time in prisons, jails, and detention centers.

Prior to flying backwards off a treadmill and sustaining a spine injury, I worked as a drug and alcohol counselor for sixteen years. My last position was as an Intake and Assessment Specialist for one of the largest rehabs on the west coast. I administered biopsychsocial assessments on inmates seeking to defer incarceration.

While I support the DP, I believe it is the best option for CMja because I think she will thrive in prison if she is not in isolation.

CMja a chameleon who readily adapts. Initially, using her external conformity skills, she will probably associate herself with a gang or family for protection.

Then, she'll seek out other inmates who will grant her folkhero status for killing her "offender."

She'll rapidly go from being prey to predator. She'll manipulate other inmates to do her evil deeds for her while she devotes herself to being their jailhouse lawyer.

She'll also work the outside by using people like Donovan to keep her in the media, move her "art work," and to solicit funds for her appeals.

Maybe she will use her "spirituality" and try the jailhouse religion angle to solicit support both on the inside and the outside.

Where there is a weak link, she will find it and use it.

In her world "If you're smart you'll use me like I'm gonna use you. If you're not, FU."

Personally, I have Jodi-fatigue which is akin to compassion fatigue, only specific to JA.

I'm sick of her pampered princess a$$, sick of people who defend her, and sick of thinking about the endless opportunities she will have in prison if she is not on DR.

I want justice for TA.

If a lifer takes her out, I have no compunction with that.

My God works in strange and mysterious ways.

Excellent assessment of the murderer. The four jurors that did not vote for the the DP did not have an accurate read on JA. It is a guess they don't have this ability in their 'real life' either. :banghead:

 

[seguek9]

Why was kn missing when they delivered the non-verdict?

He was there...you could see the back of his head after verdict was read and jurors were excused...the media just isn't playing the whole reccording. He was also visible as soon as cameras started rolling....(media not showing this part either)

 

[Ammonitida]

I'm actually glad that some of the jurors believed in her abuse claims. This will further hurt her chances of appeal because despite the views of that foreman, he still convicted her of 1st degree murder. Her claims of abuse, whether true or not, did not negate the mountain of circumstantial evidence that proved premeditation.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Many of us here had trouble leaving our computers that day...And the family went sightseeing? Over an hour away? "Just" a question?

Sorry, but I don't buy it.

I also think that was the main reason that JA was crying; because they weren't there.

moo

BBM: :waitasec: That's an interesting thought, PP !

Do you think they had a scuffle over something ?

:seeya:

 

[QueenD]

Wonder if the 4 jurors would feel different if it were their brother who was killed this way.

 

[Quester]

What is the difference in housing/privileges between an inmate on DP vs LWOP?

Ex: I have read a DP inmate spends 23 hrs/day in individual cell w/limited accoutrements [:giggle:];
limited phone privileges and X number of showers/week; dinning in cell – cell service;
limited no-touch visits; stubby golf pencils; and I'll assume all of this for their entire time,
IOW no opportunity to improve situation.

Is that identical for an inmate on LWOP except they can earn an improved situation/privileges?

Any write up of the list of privileges for DP and LWOP? TIA

 

[Linda7NJ]

I have a question... what do you peeps think about it's family not being there yesterday?

I think it's seriously messed up.

I can't believe they were touring the Grand Canyon ! It's beyond my comprehension.

 

[Pink Panther]

BBM: :waitasec: That's an interesting thought, PP !

Do you think they had a scuffle over something ?

:seeya:

No. I think that they went sightseeing. That's all. And they didn't get back in time. Their choice, their mistake.

moo

 

[RR0004]

I don't for a nano second trust JSS to give Jodi LWOP. Her "emotional" pause yesterday was for JW and Jodi. The look of pure adoration on the face of the killer and the smile of gratitude from JW sealed it for me. From the 1st day I started watching this trial, the obvious bias towards JW from JSS was crystal clear to me.

Thanks to the 8 jurors who didn't cave. At least you fought for justice. For Travis.

Gee, I never thought of that. You don't think that perhaps she may have been just as upset as we were?

 

[kscornfed]

I think it's seriously messed up.

I can't believe they were touring the Grand Canyon ! It's beyond my comprehension.

this reminded me.....i was wondering who paid for their accomodations while they were in AZ? was that on them? surely it was.

 

[rose222]

I wanted to state an opinion---Although I am pretty angry at the jury---the difference between the Death Penalty and Life (as long as she gets no parole) makes little difference. There is a HUGE difference between jail where she is currently at, and prison. In prison they will not care who she is---and in general population the chances of getting beat, robbed, raped are high. Of course it might take a few years to get to general population. On death row she would be isolated away from people 23-hours a day and will still live on average 12-years based on appeals. It's more of an "isolation" sentence---neither one is going to be fun for her. The borderline side of her will get her into fights in general population, some which may turn out bad. The narcissist side of her would cringe at isolation for 23-hours a day with little interaction. At least with Death Penalty cases—some are knocked down to life with no parole—and at least she can't get out with the Death Penalty.

Also, she has no chance of doing what she claims she wants to do other than Locks for Love. Prison will not let her have a book club or anything else---that was for show. She can have books in her cell. In fact, she mentioned a lot of things ---and that was because she was hoping for something to stick with any one juror—like helping the hearing impaired—she can’t do that either, that was a manipulative ploy targeted to a particular juror and I’m sure she knows the background of the Jurors. A few years in prison if she can show she behaves (doubtful)— might get a 50-cent an hour job helping people get their GED at best. Oh and those non-profits? Actually they were saying any money she made was going to her family and to Long Beach domestic violence and Laviolette? WOW—if true. Oh, and the prison already has a recycling program--lol

If she gets Life, the key thing to watch for at sentencing is with or without parole. If she gets 25-life with parole--THAT would be the injustice. She should get no parole and never walk the streets. Also I think Wilmott hurt her, not helped her--she was blasting the family while Arias wanted to be saved because of the family.

In fact, Wilmott was horrible in my opinion---whiny, agitated, and kept bringing up domestic violence. The Verdict was already guilty, so try to find some compassion from the jury and don’t insult their intelligence. Even if she eventually gets life---it won’t be because of Wilmott, and eight of the 12 still voted for Death. Although a ‘death qualified’ jury either couldn’t pull the trigger based on personal views (a lot of people say they can vote death until they get there) or there was a mitigating factor they bought. However, the evidence for death was overwhelming---and there was nothing mitigating except perhaps she is --crazy ---and she is young, pretty and FEMALE. Let’s say it now—the biggest loser with this verdict is women. Again----just like the old adage, ‘women and children first’ women are still not seen as accountable—like children. This goes for a lot of cases around the country—Casey Anthony or Winkler the Pastors wife and many more. If this was ‘Joey’ Arias and he had a beard and did the same thing—the decision would have been easy. Women continue to be unequal to men, and if you can’t be held accountable in the court room, no one is really going to see you as equal in the board room even though you may be there.

What's also sad is that Arias said that the Jury betrayed her before this sentencing non-verdict, and she sat on TV doing interviews calling reporters haters and still trashing Travis with make-up and no glasses. She also demanded make-up for this interview spree she went on. It’s the manipulative Jodi Arias Show and that is the sad part. Arias is really silly---perhaps she could have gotten LIFE if she had stayed away from the 'survivor' domestic violence t-shirts, and that Womack was threatened (big lie)----but she made the jurors decision harder to keep her alive, not easier. Two huge mistakes for Arias-- and why eight voted for death. She thinks she is smart but can’t resist getting digs in that hurt her---wonder if Einstein did that as well?

As far as Travis’s family—my heart breaks for them. None of them live in Arizona so they have to commute or live in a suitcase. This has taken a toll on them physically and emotionally. And this Jury failed them—oh sure—it voted for premeditated one and cruelty—I give them credit for that and for doing their civic duty for several months when many people try to avoid jury duty. However---the evidence was overwhelming for Death and sometimes you have to realize that if you give her death---she lives at least 12-years and likely it would have been reversed to Life without parole. To me if you sign a form and say you can carry out death by following the law—then you have to do it, that what makes you “death qualified’ and at least it gives the family some satisfaction and ends this phase so they can start their lives again. How convenient that the Jury is going home now for the Memorial weekend for grilling, barbecuing, potato salad and beans—and that Travis’s family, who has lost their Grandparents, their parents, their health, and one of the most beloved citizens that has walked this planet, can’t have a little peace on Memorial day for Travis. To me-- there were eight courageous people on that jury and four cowards. For these two women jurors to cry and mouth the words “We’re sorry,” is insufficient. I hope to God these were women that voted for the Death Penalty---otherwise that is insulting as well and inexcusable. If there ever was a poster child for the death penalty after all the stalking, harassing, lying, false accusations of abuse and pedophilia---and one the most horrific and vicious murders in American History—it is Jodi Arias----and whether she is cute or female or pretty shouldn’t matter----and that’s why I say-- the Justice System failed again, at least for now.

Speaking of the failed Arizona justice system, in some states an 8-4 death vote would put you on death row, in some states, a 8-4 death vote because it’s not unanimous---would automatically give you Life. Arizona gives you a redo with new jurors and a lot more tax payer money needed. It’s kind of stupid really. I think a two-thirds vote either way gives you Life or Death—that way it takes the pressure off each individual juror and their personal beliefs. Or how about 9-3 or 10-2? Do we need all 12 jurors voting the same way in the sentencing phase? We didn’t need that in the verdict phase where it could be Felony murder, Premeditation murder or both.

Anyway, to Travis’s family and his supporters— keep this in perspective---Jodi is guilty of premeditated murder with cruelty. She will spend a Long time in prison or get the Death Penalty. The goal is to maintain the course and remember perseverance along the path with this bump in the road. Travis would be looking down right now and saying---“The difference between a Stumbling Block and Stepping Stone is the Character of the individual walking the path. To me this is a lesson learned that any of us no matter what lot we have been given in life, can, like the Phoenix rise from out of the ash and accomplish absolutely anything that we choose to.” (Travis Alexander). ---So today, although we may feel we are in the ashes, in July---we will rise.

Update: This morning I am watching a juror say they had a hard time wrapping their heads around the fact a woman did this (good grief just as I expected) and that they believe she was mentally and verbally abused and although they shouldn’t have considered it, it was there. What?

Maybe they should remember Travis was STALKED and trying to get AWAY from her. Travis said, “You have denied me the basic right of human privacy countless times.” Of course he was getting upset and ticked off. Who wouldn’t? And as far her mental status, she was two scoops of crazy before she even met Travis, and even her own mother knew she was mentally off. Like I said, there were eight heroes and four cowards. I haven’t changed my mind.

One of the best posts I've read on here. Thank you!

 

[Tipstaff]

Chris Hughes ‏@cshughes 11m

Willmott told The AZ Republic that despite rumors, she and Nurmi intend to stay on the case for new penalty stage. #JodiArias


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ETA - Anyone else think the DT know they don't have a choice?

I think Wilmott and Nurmi should donate their services. :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[dog.gone.cute]

This information will be very helpful to JM and the state if they go forth seating a jury for the penalty phase 2. JM will crush the abuse story.

:seeya: Speaking of Mr. Martinez, any word on him ?

You could see he was absolutely devastated yesterday ... I felt so sorry for him !

He did everything he could and he should be extremely proud of his work !

He is a remarkable man !

:grouphug::grouphug::grouphug::grouphug::grouphug: for Juan !

 

[TDoc72]

Many of us here had trouble leaving our computers that day...And the family went sightseeing? Over an hour away? "Just" a question?

moo

*snipped by me

I KNOW! (like Monica on Friends) I was out to dinner when I saw verdict/jury question things pop up on FB and was, I won't say sad, but kind of frowny faced about not being near a tv.

If the fam was at the Grand Canyon & I, as her mother, was nearby just hanging out at the motel or whatever, I'd have gone to the courtroom, even just for a jury question.

P.S. I love how many of the interviews with Jodi-supporters all have some variation of "she lied, but she's not a liar." It's like the Where's Waldo of phrases for me!

 

[Ammonitida]

Jodi doesn't "look" like a killer. Wow. Lookism and sexism by that foreman. A "white knight" or close to it. But at least he convicted her of M1.

 

[slanda]

At the end, he starts to say "I'm proud of my jury" and corrects to "I'm proud of my peers". Yep. He was the foreman all right and he voted Life.

moo

I also believe he voted for life. When the foreman will not vote to execute, it's pretty hard to come to a unanimous agreement for the DP. But he also didn't force the others to join his side either. That is why they were deadlocked so early, and contrary to other reports, they were deadlocked the day the judge read the Allen Charge.

But, I give them credit because they tried to talk it out, it seems, for some time after that. They all were courageous and I thank them for that.

 

[rose222]

Gee, I never thought of that. You don't think that perhaps she may have been just as upset as we were?

I think she was. She's a former prosecutor. This was one of the most barbaric murders in decades...