Verdict Watch 05/04/ and 05/05/2013

[perfectvirgo]

Thank you for your response.

Well, I was just thinking about this and Motive is a huge crux for murdering someone and which would explain premeditation or "snapping"

IMO, there truly wasn't enough emphasis on Motive. The jury doesn't need to know Who did it; they need to know Why. Motive would lend itself to this question. I've watched the entire trial. I'm just not sure her Motive was explained in a concise way to the jury. We know a lot more than they do.

No requirement for the State to prove motive.

 

[DairyGirl]

http://www.seattlepi.com/national/article/The-many-face-of-Jodi-Arias-jury-takes-up-murder-4489940.php#photo-4579652

Possible captions ...

Are you talking about me?
I've got a list ... want to be on it? :devil:
Remember what I said: No jury will convict me! :lol:

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What caption do you think fits this creepy picture?

Jeepers creepers where'd you get those peepers?

 

[Nymeria]

Hello, new to the site, been lurking a few weeks.
Not normally a trial watcher, but have always been interested in "true crime" and have kept up with a trial or two.
I started following Jaws' story (See my signature below, will explain why I think of her as such) and watching the trial a week or so before she got on the stand.
Found this site by googling some questions I had and have been reading the forum ever since. Just want to say thanks, I get a lot of info here and appreciate the time and effort put forth by the people of this site.

I actually wanted to mention something that popped into my head last night. I was watching TV and saw the commercial with a portion of "Waynes World", the Bohemian Rhapsody car ride. So anyway, I went to Youtube to hear the whole song, and the actual lyrics practically slapped me in the face in a way they never had before....see if you get what I mean-

Is this the real life?
Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide
No escape from reality
Open your eyes
Look up to the skies and see
I'm just a poor boy (girl!), I need no sympathy
Because I'm easy come, easy go
A little high, little low
Anyway the wind blows, doesn't really matter to me, to me

Mama, just killed a man
Put a gun against his head
Pulled my trigger, now he's dead
Mama, life had just begun
But now I've gone and thrown it all away
Mama, ooo
Didn't mean to make you cry
If I'm not back again this time tomorrow
Carry on, carry on, as if nothing really matters

Too late, my time has come
Sends shivers down my spine
Body's aching all the time
Goodbye everybody - I've got to go
Gotta leave you all behind and face the truth
Mama, ooo - (anyway the wind blows)
I don't want to die
I sometimes wish I'd never been born at all


If only the song did not imply regret, it would be her to a "T".

Then again, this line fits to perfection-

Will not let you go - let me go (never)
Never let you go - let me go
Never let me go - ooo
No, no, no, no, no, no, no -
Oh mama mia, mama mia, mama mia let me go
Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me
for me
for me

Looking forward to this week, to watch her face when that Jury comes in with what SHOULD be the correct verdict.
Justice for Travis.

 

[InALandFarFarAway]

...

And again, if you've got that one holdout, s/he's the one who's far more likely to change his/her stance than to convince 11 others to do so.

I've always wondered how that gets resolved. I would wonder, if I were the lone holdout, if I missed something or why I was digging in my heels when 12 of us saw and heard the same things yet 11 people saw it differently than I did.

Am I stuck because I have a feeling in my soul or did I disagree with something in the evidence.

Case in point: the camera. Everyone believes the camera went into the washer deliberately. If I were on a jury and whether the camera went into the washer deliberately or incidentally would somehow determine guilt or innocence, we would never agree. I don't know why I'm convinced she did it accidentally but how would the 11 convince me?

I'd give up trying to explain why to the others. lol

 

[gcharlie]

Thank you for your response.

Well, I was just thinking about this and Motive is a huge crux for murdering someone and which would explain premeditation or "snapping"

IMO, there truly wasn't enough emphasis on Motive. The jury doesn't need to know Who did it; they need to know Why. Motive would lend itself to this question. I've watched the entire trial. I'm just not sure her Motive was explained in a concise way to the jury. We know a lot more than they do.

What I picked up on in Juan's closing was his repetition of stalking. A stalker does not need motive; the stalking escalates until the stalker finds another target or strikes out in violence. Her stalking/obsessive behavior and his final angry text in which he never wanted to see her again was the end for Travis.

That's how I read what he said.

 

[Truth Detector]

Who is Thomas Brown anyway? I've always been confused about this. Is he the guy the Jodi said Travis didn't like to Flores, called him a deviant? shifting blame on someone else in the beginning?

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9372564&postcount=1535

 

[pinkfairy]

During the sentencing & most judges give them all the time they need

Thank you very much.

 

[marlap]

Hello, new to the site, been lurking a few weeks.
Not normally a trial watcher, but have always been interested in "true crime" and have kept up with a trial or two.
I started following Jaws' story (See my signature below, will explain why I think of her as such) and watching the trial a week or so before she got on the stand.
Found this site by googling some questions I had and have been reading the forum ever since. Just want to say thanks, I get a lot of info here and appreciate the time and effort put forth by the people of this site.

I actually wanted to mention something that popped into my head last night. I was watching TV and saw the commercial with a portion of "Waynes World", the Bohemian Rhapsody car ride. So anyway, I went to Youtube to hear the whole song, and the actual lyrics practically slapped me in the face in a way they never had before....see if you get what I mean-

Is this the real life?
Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide
No escape from reality
Open your eyes
Look up to the skies and see
I'm just a poor boy (girl!), I need no sympathy
Because I'm easy come, easy go
A little high, little low
Anyway the wind blows, doesn't really matter to me, to me

Mama, just killed a man
Put a gun against his head
Pulled my trigger, now he's dead
Mama, life had just begun
But now I've gone and thrown it all away
Mama, ooo
Didn't mean to make you cry
If I'm not back again this time tomorrow
Carry on, carry on, as if nothing really matters

Too late, my time has come
Sends shivers down my spine
Body's aching all the time
Goodbye everybody - I've got to go
Gotta leave you all behind and face the truth
Mama, ooo - (anyway the wind blows)
I don't want to die
I sometimes wish I'd never been born at all


If only the song did not imply regret, it would be her to a "T".

Then again, this line fits to perfection-

Will not let you go - let me go (never)
Never let you go - let me go
Never let me go - ooo
No, no, no, no, no, no, no -
Oh mama mia, mama mia, mama mia let me go
Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me
for me
for me

Looking forward to this week, to watch her face when that Jury comes in with what SHOULD be the correct verdict.
Justice for Travis.

Great first post Nymeria. :seeya:

Hope to hear more from you!

:wagon:

 

[SunnyinMO]

I dont think it will happen in 30 mins.....how will everyone who is away at the time make it through the nightmare traffic downtown that we are hearing about?

the family is staying very close...I think her family probably is as well. The post I saw said the MEDIA would be given 30 minutes notice....the attorneys and families may be given more notice. JMO of course

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

ITA. The entire defense was crafted on sand and challenged the State to disprove the existence of unicorns. Anyone with two functioning brain cells should be able to see through it like plastic wrap.

The only thing she was scared of was losing him and being relegated to a nothing life in a hole like Yreka.

ITA, Angelina!

Yep, the DT crafted it on sand so that the plastic unicorns could run! :floorlaugh:

 

[InALandFarFarAway]

What caption do you think fits this creepy picture?

Not a caption but a question about her nails. Do they let this chick have a file in jail? Her nails are clean and straight. Not broken or jagged. WTF, her nails look well trimmed.

 

[Plumeria5]

http://www.seattlepi.com/national/article/The-many-face-of-Jodi-Arias-jury-takes-up-murder-4489940.php#photo-4579652

Possible captions ...

Are you talking about me?
I've got a list ... want to be on it? :devil:
Remember what I said: No jury will convict me! :lol:

* * *

What caption do you think fits this creepy picture?

I was thinking more along the lines of, "If I put a piece of tape right here on my glasses, do you think it will make me look more nerdy?

 

[Charterhouse]

I am sure you have prob discussed this already, but I was reading one of the minute entries on the Maricopa site for this case.....the mitigation specialist submitted to be paid for 100 hours.....for what??? passing notes??

I wonder if she got paid for just sitting in court. I bet she did. But, I don't know.

 

[marlap]

the family is staying very close...I think her family probably is as well. The post I saw said the MEDIA would be given 30 minutes notice....the attorneys and families may be given more notice. JMO of course

I wouldn't be surprised if the jury announces they have verdict just before lunch, with the verdict to be read an hour and a half later.

 

[mamapena2]

I don't think it had anything to do with JM being happy or not. His office will be prosecuting him for the extreme DUI and I think it was a conflict of interest. JMO

Thanks Sunny! I was under the impression that JM office would be prosecuting DUI so would be conflict of interest as well. Making sure I wasn't missing something...

 

[sysmanager1963]

The ME’s statement in the autopsy report that the “dura mater” was in tact is understandable but technically in error. After cutting the skull and exposing the brain the first view is the brain enclosed by the dura mater. At that stage of the autopsy the dura is indeed in tact. At this juncture the ME could comment about the presence or absence of a hemispheric subdural or epidural hematoma.

It is only after lifting the brain out of the calvarial vault can one see the injury to the undersurface of the right frontal lobe. Horn was correct in stating a bullet wound to the right forehead will of necessity cause dural injury at the point of bullet entry.
This technicality is a source of embarrassment but not fatal.
Conversely if the dura were totally categorically in tact the gunshot into TA head would have been miraculous. This means that the gunshot fragment would have entered the right frontal fossa, then glanced off of the right frontal dura, then passed parallel along the right frontal bone inner table, then curved around the right frontal lobe, then dived out of the skull near midline at the cribiform plate.

Finally I have argued since this case began in January that the ONLY valid medical expert testimony that goes to the question of the clinical effect of a gunshot wound to the forehead would be a trauma neurosurgeon. Pathologists do NOT treat or manage gunshot wounds to the head EVER. A pathologist really is in NO position to opine about the clinical effects of a gunshot wound to the brain since he does NOT treat or manage gunshot wounds to the head. Horn expressed the common knowledge that bullet fragments tend to tumble as they traverse brain substance and cause concussive shock waves that ripple out and away from the bullet track. It is the neurosurgeon who deals with all sorts of gunshot wounds to the head that wind up being nonfatal.

Horn forcefully reiterated his opinion that TA gunshot would have been incapacitating (but in my opinion certain NOT fatal) when recalled to testify. I will assume or at least hope that he had discussions with his neurosurgeon colleagues confirming this opinion was clinically sound.

Zeno, I really have no idea what you just said but you sounded brilliant. Oh no, you are in the Einstein club with Jodi! In essence, did they lie? B/c that is what I took from Wilmont and Nurmi and the other site. If I think they lied (I'm not brilliant but I am not stupid either) than one of the jurors may think the same. Either way, all Jodi's activities prove premed to me. Only thing is if jurors think prosecution team lied than they may think they have something to cover up (sortof how the defense works).

 

[marlap]

Just saw an elephant on tv! It's a sign!

 

[SunnyinMO]

One of the things that should also stand out to these jurors, JA displayed anything but an abused victim on the witness stand. Her trying to manipulate the questions and the dance with Jaun had to be a turn off. She came across as defiant and a smart azz. One of the things that turned the jurors off in the Scott Peterson case was his smirky ways in the courtroom. IIRC one of the jurors said something like wanting to wipe that smirk off his face.

I agree....that was a really bad move on her and her d/t's part, And she showed no remorse. Even if it was self defense, which we know it wasn't, she should have at least tried to show remorse. But instead she tried to show how smart she was and how she thought she could up one on the prosecutor. BAD MOVE. She played right into his hands. Showing she was not a meek, non aggressive little girl. Showing she would go toe to toe with anyone.

 

[GaMom13]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9372564&postcount=1535

I read the post via the link, but still confused as to who Thomas Brown is. I have seen every day of live testimony beginning when Jodi was on the stand. Did TB testify prior to that? How is he linked in order that Jodi wanted to frame him?

 

[Truth Detector]

Can someone tell me when the families get to make their statements to JA. And also do they have time limits?

Thank you.

If you mean inside the courtroom, this will only occur if there is a conviction.

Otherwise, their statements will happen OUTSIDE the courtroom.