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molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Constables for the evening -- who will keep watch of the jury -- are sworn in.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 31s31 seconds ago
And once again, the jury heads out. They'll be sequestered for the night and will continue their deliberations tomorrow.
 
I read those articles too and got the same impression as you. IIRC, RB claimed he offered to take DM in (I inferred it was likely at MB's request), thinking to provide him with some stability and a normal happy family life. He probably did not have any particular hostility to DM at the time -- remember how DM's flight instructor (or one of them) described DM as a bright, sweet-natured, personable kid? When he chose he could present himself well.

RB took him in from around ages 14-16 or 15-17, I don't recall exactly but that's close. We know that he was struggling in school at that time (dropped out multiple times), it appeared he didn't have real friends, but he did become close to some of his cousins - one in particular, a girl much younger than himself (notice a pattern here?), and we don't know what other problems DM may have been exhibiting that led MB to want someone to intervene. Perhaps she/they had sought professional help, we have no information whatever. But most parents with the means do seek help; whether they seek effective help, or do it wisely, is a separate issue. It's very unlikely that DM did not display worrisome signs early on, if not in childhood, then at puberty and beyond.

My speculation is only that, of course. But if DM had some behavioural issues (I'm the one who theorized about the possibility of FAS, but that can't be proven one way or another, though the parallels are striking) these might not have become evident immediately, but rather gradually, over time. RB had 5 children; he would have recognized abnormal behaviour and symptoms, maybe more readily than DM's own parents, who had no other child to compare him to. We know from DM's letters that this cousin (RB's daughter) was important to him, and RB may have grown increasingly concerned over DM's influence on her. The antipathy that was evident in court preceded DM's known criminal career by a considerable length of time, IMO, and probably was rooted in RB's own observations and interactions over the period where DM lived with his family. It's harder to keep up a mask when you live with people than when you charm intermittently. The mask slips from time to time. I think of the famous Oscar Wilde novel, the Portrait of Dorian Gray. A scary but prescient book.

I cannot disagree with anything you've said - and you said it all rather eloquently. My immediate impression of uncle's feelings toward DM were of anger and disgust. If DM were particularly drawn to a younger female cousin it wouldn't surprise me in the least if uncle had reason to believe it wasn't so much the influence DM had on her, but an inappropriate interest in her. If anything would hit a father's "hinky meter" enough to call his own kin a "twisted little pr*ck", that would definitely do it. Of course this is all entirely speculation. We'll likely never know what caused the bad blood there but it's certainly real. Perfect analogy to Dorian Gray as well. Not always, but quite often those who know you, see the real "you" that no one else ever does.
 
First 2 witnesses, so at least we know they are starting at the start.
Kinda indicates to me this won't be a 4 hr decision as people thought it would. Good for them.. I think this already proves they are taking this seriously and discussing everything they remember.
 
They're clearly starting with timeline, and trying to create some clarity around that. Interesting. It's makes sense that that's critical to considering if MS's version of not being in the truck is even a possibility.
 
Hmm.. Nothing at all to this besides the other murders.

I know what you're saying, but if you think about it - that's huge. This same pair is accused of another murder, also with incineration, and the jury isn't allowed to take that into consideration.
 
Does anyone have any idea why when Tim went to get gas is important?

It sure had me puzzled, but I just read a tweet from a very clever person who suggests that it might have something to do with the SuperSucker videos ... That makes a great deal of sense to me.

MOO


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molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Constables for the evening -- who will keep watch of the jury -- are sworn in.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 31s31 seconds ago
And once again, the jury heads out. They'll be sequestered for the night and will continue their deliberations tomorrow.
Does anyone know if it's normal for constables to be watching guard over the jurors rooms? I guess it would be to ensure they are sequestered but would there be another reason?
 
Does anyone know if it's normal for constables to be watching guard over the jurors rooms? I guess it would be to ensure they are sequestered but would there be another reason?

Probably so no one comes to visit them and to make sure they stay in their rooms.
 
First 2 witnesses, so at least we know they are starting at the start.

Yes, maybe it is an indication of chronology. I just posted that they were diving into timeline, but it may just be a chronological review as you say. Juries often don't get things in order, so that would probably be helpful.
 
Ya fire up your app just to follow AC. Follow him and then set his tweets up to notify your phone. That seems to be the only way I can tell to get notifications.

Between AC and SC my tweeter feed goes crazy when I'm at work.
I tend to quick catch up on WS tho, you all are awesome at keeping things updated!
 
WTF does him getting gas have to do with this??!! Someone please enlighten me.

It sure had me puzzled, but I just read a tweet from a very clever person who suggests that it might have something to do with the SuperSucker videos ... That makes a great deal of sense to me.

MOO


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I cannot disagree with anything you've said - and you said it all rather eloquently. My immediate impression of uncle's feelings toward DM were of anger and disgust. If DM were particularly drawn to a younger female cousin it wouldn't surprise me in the least if uncle had reason to believe it wasn't so much the influence DM had on her, but an inappropriate interest in her. If anything would hit a father's "hinky meter" enough to call his own kin a "twisted little pr*ck", that would definitely do it. Of course this is all entirely speculation. We'll likely never know what caused the bad blood there but it's certainly real. Perfect analogy to Dorian Gray as well. Not always, but quite often those who know you, see the real "you" that no one else ever does.
My first thought on the cousin wasnt so much romantic interest but moreso how he could get her hooked on drugs or feed a drug habit and use it to his advantage with an escort service. Of course pure speculation right now but this is one of the thought I had with LB.
 
It may be clarification around the SS videos. We all know that the time is very important, and unfortunately a questionable error due to the time error not being recorded properly by LE before it was corrected by the business.

If he got gas (diesel fuel) immediately before their visit, he could have been one identified truck. Just guessing why they questioned the time.

MOO
 
yes its other than LB. A male friend, John Dolzell.. LB though was a FB friend of mine until she was, well gone. Gaming friend through Zynga, I remember her posts of a missing friend, or it was another friend posting about Laura, sure wish I could remember, because I thought it was her posting about Sonia but I now really think it was another friend of hers posting about her and I confused it because Sonias case. She was my FB friend though I remeber her post with the geese bc I myself had just come from hospital and just a stroke at the time. I also remember her pics, was always one for longest time-brunette, then this blonde one was recent then she was gone...
 
Asking a question like they just did may be to clear the mind of a single or few jurors who are on the fence. They may be stuck on a few points and need to hear clarification from the judge and lawyers in order to move forward instead of arguing in a room for hours.

Might sound like silly or trivial questions to us but it may help them move a juror's mind forward a great deal.
 
In really high profile trials the questions are often not what they know about a case, but if they can set that aside. It's difficult to imagine many in Hamilton didn't know of the other charges. This is a big case nationally, and must be straight up huge locally.

I think some would be surprised just how many people do not follow the news or watch much TV. Especially with so many other technical distractions. I can bet that out of the 20 guys who work on my plant less then half have heard of this case half of those scarcely know any details other then a guy and his truck went missing. Mist people may hear tidbits of the news but how many follow up on it all. JMO
 
yes its other than LB. A male friend, John Dolzell.. LB though was a FB friend of mine until she was, well gone. Gaming friend through Zynga, I remember her posts of a missing friend, or it was another friend posting about Laura, sure wish I could remember, because I thought it was her posting about Sonia but I now really think it was another friend of hers posting about her and I confused it because Sonias case. She was my FB friend though I remeber her post with the geese bc I myself had just come from hospital and just a stroke at the time. I also remember her pics, was always one for longest time-brunette, then this blonde one was recent then she was gone...
Sonia.. The nurse up in Orangeville who was brutally murdered?
 
The Crown and Thomas Dungey would like us to note that was exactly three hours off. Pillay begs to differ and wants to know if sillybilly took notes. :p

Ahahahahahahaha!!! This made me laugh sooooooo hard!!


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Now we know what happened to the gun
I guess I'm the dumbo. I've read the article twice.

Where is the gun, and what is there that indicates it's not buried?

ETA - I guess you mean they gave it back to Iisho - dirty.

I don't know.
I'm surprised that the gun evidence is allowed to be released as it predates both other murders that DM is charged with, I hope that this will not affect the trials for the murders of both LB or WM
 
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