VERDICT WATCH - Sentencing of Jodi Arias - Day 40

[Nightswimmer]

She has NO sense of shame. At all. It is very odd. Armchair psych folks—how does that fit in with BPD? How does it fit in with psychopathy?

The ringing hallmark of narcissism is the ability to contort a wide variety of situations to being about you. Naturally, we all have tendencies for this in our everyday lives to varying degrees. Narcissistic psychopaths, on the other hand, take it much further; they interrupt and/or destroy the lives of others in doing so without having the ability to rationally understand or accept their actions as wrong (or even detrimental).

Arias is a cocktail of warped psychopathology, imo. You can see see the overt narcissism and the pathological liar, with a bit of BPD mixed in. Somewhere deep she just wants acceptance, but clouding that is her lack of identity; that's the BPD. So she acts in manners she feels should gain the acceptance, and to the level she thinks it should garner. If/when she doesn't get it, it fuels an anger that in her unleashes psychopathic behavior. Look at Travis' murder; it was far from cleverly concocted. Buying a few gas cans and leaving a couple of texts/VMs/emails is going to cover your tracks? She never had an alibi - she was 'alone driving, and lost'. Then there's the DNA all over the crime scene, the camera just tossed in the washer, etc. But the rage took over rationality and justified the killing of another, and that it could be gotten away with in such a manner. She only stumbled on the DA story when the first two attempts flopped and she found an angle that no one could physically disprove.

The last part is the shame of it here, imo. While it couldn't be disproven, it couldn't be proven either. So for the duration of the trial the family has had to sit through listening to repeated attacks on Travis' character with absolutely no corroborating evidence that hints to any validity. It's what Martinez focused on in for a good part of his closing, and made Nurmi's rebuttal such a joke (again, imo). There's nothing substantiating any of her claims. I just hope the family can put the whole mess behind them regardless of what the jury comes back with for sentencing. As many on here have said, they've already won - the killer's behind bars and won't be going anywhere for the rest of her life.

 

[daisydomino]

Could we possibly see how many males voted for death or life? Same with females. For Clarity: unmix the charts please!

I kinda got it broken out. You can view it here: death vs. life votes by gender (and it updates in real time as more people vote in the poll!)

 

[La-Cooks]

Hey, anyone know with what's going on with MDLR filing charges today on a Tweeter called Juan Martinez's Tie? He is Pizzzzzzed.

did my post about WAT's tweet about the candy I gave him show up? Forum got wonky for me...

It seems to be true according to the Twitter feed https://twitter.com/juanstie

 

[Dr. Know?]

Hey, anyone know with what's going on with MDLR filing charges today on a Tweeter called Juan Martinez's Tie? He is Pizzzzzzed.

did my post about WAT's tweet about the candy I gave him show up? Forum got wonky for me...

Yes, he/she is from readiing their tweets just now.

https://twitter.com/juanstie/with_replies

Earlier today I posted the docket update thinking it would be the last time. Here it is again. It might just be why JM's tie is upset? Not sure if MM is connected in regards to them or not.

2/25/2015 012 - ME: Trial - Party (001) 2/25/2015
2/25/2015 012 - ME: Trial - Party (001) 2/25/2015
2/24/2015 019 - ME: Ruling - Party (001) 2/24/2015
2/23/2015 SDD - Notice: Sealed Document - Party (001) 2/24/2015
NOTE: NOTICE OF FILING DOCUMENTS RELATED TO HARASSMENT OF MITIGATION SPECIALIST MARIA DE LA ROSA
2/23/2015 SDD - Notice: Sealed Document - Party (001) 2/24/2015
NOTE: NOTICE OF FILING DOCUMENTS RELATED TO HARASSMENT OF WITNESS MARC MCGEE
2/23/2015 SDD - Notice: Sealed Document - Party (001) 2/24/2015

https://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/CriminalCourtCases/index.asp

 

[Hat]

Yet in her letter to the Alexander's she admits, albeit in an obscure manner:

"Putting on a smile and pretending things were fine for my family didn't work out so well. I felt like I was a danger living near them and began to make preparations to move back to Monterey, where I'd lived 4 years ago."

Those pesky ninjas could have been lurking in the bushes.

 

[neesaki]

Good! Much rather hear her opinions than what Sky Hughes thinks of Juan. I've concluded she has a grudge against him since Juan didn't vindicate her on closing. How could he? She hung Travis out to dry with her emails, and I'm no longer buying that Jodi hacked in and forged them. Sky has shown her true colors and they aren't pretty!

For the longest I have been trying my best to give the Hughes the benefit of the doubt , as I do believe that they really care about Travis. I also though, believe they exercised very poor judgment, including being prejudicial and overly critical of Travis considering he was a young single man, especially considering they didn't really know Jodi Arias at all. They just took her word for some things, and that makes no sense to me. Also, it's unfortunate that they communicated such information via emails or texts such information. If they truly had concerns and cared about Travis, they should have just sat down with him if he cared to listen. That said, I do believe that they most likely now have sincere regrets for how their actions have been used against them, and especially Travis. It's very unfortunate and very sad. Am now wondering how they will come to terms with what they have done.

 

[bsk]

Nurmi was setting her up. The good morning thing was an issue with ALV, IIRC. She was aggressively irritated when Juan didn't say good morning to her and got right to the questions. So, ALV had put it as an issue on the table. I'm sure Demarte knew this because she watched the trial videos.

Demarte was not obliged to answer Nurmi. "Good morning" is not a sign of quality in an expert witness: it is irrelevant. Plus, not everyone answers to "Good morning." Sometimes the reciprocal is understood, sometimes saying it is just like saying, "Let us begin", and that's not something you answer.

On Juan's side, there are no "good morning", just business.

Exactly. They are there to engage in question and answer, not chit chat. More insulting of the jurors' intelligence, which is all he did today.

 

[RickshawFan]

Re: Mugwump above...

She said in her first trial, in response to a juror question, that she did not feel she had any "mental issues". So, why would she seek help for something she doesn't see as problematic?

You're right that Jodi believes she doesn't have mental issues. That's actually my point. A 20-something whom a range of friends and family (and probably bosses and co-workers) tells has striking over-reactions to events should be seeking out a health provider for advice and input. Even going to a minister/bishop would have shown good faith. That's what maturity is, as well as becoming a member of a community. But Jodi did none of this.

I also was going to say some more about the dissociation issue. If Jodi were a dissociat-er, an experienced clinical psychologist or counselor would have spotted it very quickly in jail interviews. Samuels, ALV, Geffner, and Fonseca all claimed to be clinicians, all were inept and unprofessional, all went along with a diagnosis that would have dissociation as a hallmark, and none of them, IIRC, came away from any face to face interview with Jodi specifying that she was dissociated at the time and how they knew. Even a single moment when she disappeared mentally on them. They didn't give a topic, a context, a time of day: no example whatever of Jodi being dissociated. The only one professionally rigorous enough to make a viable diagnosis—Demarte—would have picked up on it right away if there had been evidence.

Rather than dissociation, Jodi's foggishness to my mind comes from tying up her brain chasing men who don't want to be with her, scanning for her next manipulation, and generating a new lie or recall an old one. These things take a lot of work.

 

[MeeBee]

Lol, the learning curve is definitely steep... in fact the power it can bestow tends to go to some people's heads, they actually think they're anonymous.

I mean Maria though. You can't sue people every time they hurt your feelings on the Internet. If she stopped engaging with these people she wouldnt have to put up with it. She can't even Internet.

 

[neesaki]

I made a Jodi pin cushion (voodoo doll) during the last trial. She's neked and has brown braids like JA did that last day and I have a fresh box of pins. Please place your pin placement orders below. I've already got the migraine covered

Just plant one right in the heart for me. Can't be too bad since that's what she did to Travis, right ? Thanks kaRN.

 

[mugwump*]

Re: Mugwump above...

She said in her first trial, in response to a juror question, that she did not feel she had any "mental issues". So, why would she seek help for something she doesn't see as problematic?

You're right that Jodi believes she doesn't have mental issues. That's actually my point. A 20-something whom a range of friends and family (and probably bosses and co-workers) tells has striking over-reactions to events should be seeking out a health provider for advice and input. Even going to a minister/bishop would have shown good faith. That's what maturity is, as well as becoming a member of a community. But Jodi did none of this.

I also was going to say some more about the dissociation issue. If Jodi were a dissociat-er, an experienced clinical psychologist or counselor would have spotted it very quickly in jail interviews. Samuels, ALV, Geffner, and Fonseca all claimed to be clinicians, all were inept and unprofessional, all went along with a diagnosis that would have dissociation as a hallmark, and none of them, IIRC, came away from any face to face interview with Jodi specifying that she was dissociated at the time and how they knew. Even a single moment when she disappeared mentally on them. They didn't give a topic, a context, a time of day: no example whatever of Jodi being dissociated. The only one professionally rigorous enough to make a viable diagnosis—Demarte—would have picked up on it right away if there had been evidence.

Rather than dissociation, Jodi's foggishness to my mind comes from tying up her brain chasing men who don't want to be with her, scanning for her next manipulation, and generating a new lie or recall an old one. These things take a lot of work.

Yep, just confirming!

 

[mugwump*]

Just plant one right in the heart for me. Can't be too bad since that's what she did to Travis, right ? Thanks kaRN.

I'd go for a pitocin drip, so she has never-ending labor pains.

 

[Reagan]

Keep in mind the following:

Regardless of the verdict, and even if it is DP, Arias will not actually be executed. She will die in prison. No woman has been executed in AZ in over 80 years. There are well over 100 people ahead in line for execution.

So, in essence, it will be "LWOP" even if she gets a DP sentence. The *only* difference is whether she will be housed in one place in the prison or another place. That's it. This impending sentence is mostly symbolic when all is said and done.

Yes, I know how important the DP is for the family as well as many following the trial. But she's not going to get executed and she will most likely die of natural causes, exactly the same if she gets LWOP. That's the reality here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_executed_in_Arizona

This has probably been addressed, but there is an interview with the family where they state that they know it's unlikely that ja will be put to death, but they want her isolated and away from the general public.

 

[RickshawFan]

I mean Maria though. You can't sue people every time they hurt your feelings on the Internet. If she stopped engaging with these people she wouldnt have to put up with it. She can't even Internet.

I'm surprised we all WS-ers haven't made it into an official MDLR motion-pout for pointing out that she couldn't spell Cougarlicious/Cougarluscious (she had Cougarlucious or some such rediculousness), her very own name. She still has 3 days to formallze her pleading—DOCUMENTS RELATING TO THE HARASSMENT OF MITIGATION SPECIALIST COUGAR..........—before her contract runs out. LOL.

 

[Quiet Time]

I really really really don't want JA to ever have group recreation or a job in prison!!!
PLEASE send her to death row!

While at work tonight I was yahoooing abt our TVs being fixed in the break room. Figuring I could hear abt the verdict, and one of my co-workers over heard me. She said her mother lives in Phoenix, and besides being pissed abt the millions that has been spent on this trial that JA is also running fashion shows while locked up. lol I hadn't heard this.

On another note, I saw .angela Simpson's story on the ID channel this morning. She is one scary b*tch.

 

[daisydomino]

This can't be the same Donovan who was in jail with CMJA can it, maybe I'm confused as to who that person was, as this one appears to be male. If I'm wrong, please forgive me, I honestly don't know. TIA

It's Donavan. She's always had an androgynous look. I'm not sure if she's transgender or not.

 

[neesaki]

:seeya: Yep ... :hilarious:

Here is what WAT tweeted this morning about Donovan:

Wild About Trial 2 @WildaboutTrial2 · 4h 4 hours ago

Donovan just walked in, sweet hair mullet and fluorescent yellow shirt as to not stand out and such. #JodiArias


:hilarious::hilarious::hilarious:

But this is WAT, and he's very witty and does a great job at making me laugh, so can we take anything he says seriously ? Just askin' . Thanks doggonecute :seeya:

 

[LinasK]

I don't know if this is good news or just idle gossip, but I just talked to my friend in Scottsdale AZ and she just returned from visiting her in-laws at Casas Adobes in the Tucson area, and the news came on about the Arias trial and her father-in-law commented that if that hard *advertiser censored* judge got to make the decision she would give her LWOP. He used to live in the Phoenix area a few years ago. He said she handed down hard sentences. But, and here's the, not so happy news, her own attorney in Scottsdale said it depended on JSS's mood on any given day how she sentenced anyone. Sometimes lite sometimes hard. So she don't know what to think.

I am depressed. I want the DP because I want her on CONDEMNED ROW. Just that name on wings door sends chills down my spine and I want her to feel it too. A life sentence affords her too much freedom and interaction with other people. She will continue to communicate with the outside and use those sycophants of hers to do anything she wants, perhaps even kill for her. One never knows with a Psycho like her. She draws others of the same ilk to her like a spider. And I can't even trust that worthless JSS to give her a Natural Life sentence.

I told my friend to vote against her next election, and she said she didn't think she was in her district but my friend is not a regular voter. She is not political in any sense of the word. I told her to ask Jack and find out and then vote against her. LOL

I wouldn't vote against her if I lived in Arizona. She has worked hard to preserve the Guilty conviction. If JSS has to sentence her, trust the FIL who said she's a hard *advertiser censored*. There is no way she's giving Jodi LWP even if she's in a "lite mood". I can trust her, even though I don't live in your state and can't vote.

 

[RickshawFan]

This can't be the same Donovan who was in jail with CMJA can it, maybe I'm confused as to who that person was, as this one appears to be male. If I'm wrong, please forgive me, I honestly don't know. TIA

Gender identity isn't always obvious. Haircut styles don't necessarily indicate a specific gender, sexual identity, orientation. People change how they perceive and project themselves; this is normal.

 

[luvmygarden]

Won't fly. COA's already addressed it. No special rights to testify in private, and I'm sure they meant allocuting as well. JSS as much as said so. The media could've been sent to the overflow room and that wasn't good enough for Jodi. The only threat against Jodi is the State of Arizona threatening her with Death.

The death threats JA speaks of I bet are from the State. She has a wacky way of thinking and can change a meaning of something to suit her. MANIPULATION JA's middle name.