VERDICT WATCH - Sentencing of Jodi Arias - Day 40

[VW Vixen]

:welcome: MDLR is the mitigation specialist that likes to tweet during court and stir up trouble and MM is either JA's old ex-bf that she still has some kind of hold over, that helped her forge some letters that were disallowed because there were no originals(even the NationalEnquirer refused to buy them), had allegedly cried on his shoulder during her whole "bootie call" relationship with TA, etc etc and then another MM is a guy that used to know of TA from their early years back in Riverside, CA that had alleged(by affidavit only so he couldn't be crossed by JM) that he had "proof" that TA was responsible for some popups on their Bishop's pc back in the day and that TA had "abused" DeannaR., to try and backup JA's claims even though he doesn't know her from Eve..., which was disproven. In the meantime he's in New Zealand so can't be prosecuted for perjury... Hope that helps?

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/true-crime/exclusive-jodi-arias-desperate-escape-plan

That helps a lot! Thank you

I hadn't heard about the Enquirer info. Geez Louise! What a family...

 

[VW Vixen]

Just trying to get through the JA part before Skye. This testimony alone warrants the DP IMO

:rolling: I almost peed myself, reading this!

 

[VW Vixen]

I'm medicated too. I still go through periods of cycling. Especially when I'm in a very stressful situation. I'm on diazepam at the moment as I am dealing with some stuff, and I'd be literally asleep if I had to sit in a court for hours at a time trying to concentrate on testimonies. Many BPD sufferers also self harm. It's a major factor in BPD. People with BPD also have low self worth. They tend to think that the are ugly, useless, unattractive. CMJA certainly doesn't think that! She is flirty, her photos from before prison show she's confident in her body image, she's narcissistic. It peed me off to hear her, frankly pathetic, faux suicide attempt. EVERY person I know with BPD has cut themselves at some point in their life. I'm rather ashamed to admit, but up until 10 years ago I had a big problem with self harming. But CMJA managed one small nick to her arm and then stopped because it stung? I'm calling BS! She has SOME symptoms of BPD, but they could also be attributed to other personality disorders.

I'm also amazed how for someone with supposed PTSD she hasn't had ANY typical PTSD reaction during the trial. She has listened to autopsy reports, seen photos, been around people with guns, heard others talk about the supposed domestic violence she endured, she herself talked about it, and no PTSD reactions. No freaking out, no dissociation, no panic attacks, no flashbacks, nothing. The whole premise of PTSD is that the trauma has mentally scarred you. My PTSD has me freaking out if I hear a certain song never mind talk about the trauma.

It angers me that conditions that I live with, BPD, severe depression, PTSD, Battered Women's Syndrome are all being used by CMJA and yet we see no evidence of her suffering from any side effects of those conditions. I'm not an expert, I put my faith entirely in Janeen DeMarte, but I can spot someone with BPD and PTSD a mile off, and I've sat and watched CMJA specifically trying to see BPD and PTSD ever since they were mentioned. I've gone over tapes and court testimony that she's done. I'm just not feeling it with her.

Great insight! I saw no real or genuine emotion from her either. It was all fake and forced. I also found it comical how she changed her appearance so drastically. Actually burst out laughing when I saw hear take the stand that first day, during the original trial. That babyish hairstyle was hilarious and so obvious. Uh, hey JA, they get to see photos of how you really make yourself look. It's as if she thought the jurors were idiots.

 

[kaRN]

Does anyone know......If the jury comes back with a verdict and the convict has a migraine, plantar fasciitis, heart, back, neck, butt pain or any other ailment 'our fertile minds could conjure', will the verdict be delayed until she feels better?? I'm wondering if the voodoo JA should have her pins and needles removed for now if that's the case? I have a feeling the verdict will come down around 10am this morning.

 

[Nali87]

Nurmi:
A) Don't kill the woman Travis loved!!
Vs.
B) She was another victim of T-Dogg's. He didn't care about her. He abused her emotionally, physically and more.


Which one is it??

 

[DebinGA]

http://ktar.com/305/1776840/Legally-Speaking-Who-are-the-jurors-deciding-the-fate-of-Jodi-Arias

Juror description for anyone who missed it.

"In spite of Kirk Nurmi objecting, and even requesting jury selection to start all over, Stephens excused the juror. The judge explained that since a total of 19 jurors made the cut, and only 12 are needed to deliberate, there are plenty and the missing juror could be excused."

I wonder if her recent one-on-one with each juror included her assuring them the trial was nearing the end and they were duty-bound to finish the trial if at all possible. JSS dodged a bullet by not seating more than 19 jurors.

 

[josie1986]

Hi QT, did this jury really hear VIS from the guilt phase of the last trial?. I honestly can't remember...TIA

i was just going to ask the same thing. im sure i seen a photo of tanisha somewhere up at the lectern (is that the right word?) wearing black but i don't remember actually going over the tweets about the VIS.

 

[DebinGA]

I really hope the jury remembers the Victims Impact Statements. They were the most powerful and truthful words spoken.
I want them to remember the Alexanders and what would best ease their awful forever pain.
It has to be the Death Penalty...imo

In AZ, as far as women are concerned, "death penalty" just means living in isolation on death row for the rest of their days. Any "death" is a natural one, which would make voting for the death penalty a very easy decision for me.

 

[DebinGA]

i was just going to ask the same thing. im sure i seen a photo of tanisha somewhere up at the lectern (is that the right word?) wearing black but i don't remember actually going over the tweets about the VIS.

Tanisha and Steven Alexander victim impact statements on Oct. 30:

http://tamaratattles.com/2014/10/30...-impact-statements-then-all-hell-broke-loose/

 

[mydirtysecret]

Does anyone know......If the jury comes back with a verdict and the convict has a migraine, plantar fasciitis, heart, back, neck, butt pain or any other ailment 'our fertile minds could conjure', will the verdict be delayed until she feels better?? I'm wondering if the voodoo JA should have her pins and needles removed for now if that's the case? I have a feeling the verdict will come down around 10am this morning.

Good question karn. Id think they would likely get her looked over by physicians. if she's able to continue. Id assume barring her missing an appendage or digits there's no delaying the inevitable

 

[Val1]

In AZ, as far as women are concerned, "death penalty" just means living in isolation on death row for the rest of their days. Any "death" is a natural one, which would make voting for the death penalty a very easy decision for me.

Hopefully all the jurors are aware of this too.

 

[BritsKate]

I'm medicated too. I still go through periods of cycling. Especially when I'm in a very stressful situation. I'm on diazepam at the moment as I am dealing with some stuff, and I'd be literally asleep if I had to sit in a court for hours at a time trying to concentrate on testimonies. Many BPD sufferers also self harm. It's a major factor in BPD. People with BPD also have low self worth. They tend to think that the are ugly, useless, unattractive. CMJA certainly doesn't think that! She is flirty, her photos from before prison show she's confident in her body image, she's narcissistic. It peed me off to hear her, frankly pathetic, faux suicide attempt. EVERY person I know with BPD has cut themselves at some point in their life. I'm rather ashamed to admit, but up until 10 years ago I had a big problem with self harming. But CMJA managed one small nick to her arm and then stopped because it stung? I'm calling BS! She has SOME symptoms of BPD, but they could also be attributed to other personality disorders.

I'm also amazed how for someone with supposed PTSD she hasn't had ANY typical PTSD reaction during the trial. She has listened to autopsy reports, seen photos, been around people with guns, heard others talk about the supposed domestic violence she endured, she herself talked about it, and no PTSD reactions. No freaking out, no dissociation, no panic attacks, no flashbacks, nothing. The whole premise of PTSD is that the trauma has mentally scarred you. My PTSD has me freaking out if I hear a certain song never mind talk about the trauma.

It angers me that conditions that I live with, BPD, severe depression, PTSD, Battered Women's Syndrome are all being used by CMJA and yet we see no evidence of her suffering from any side effects of those conditions. I'm not an expert, I put my faith entirely in Janeen DeMarte, but I can spot someone with BPD and PTSD a mile off, and I've sat and watched CMJA specifically trying to see BPD and PTSD ever since they were mentioned. I've gone over tapes and court testimony that she's done. I'm just not feeling it with her.

Please don't feel ashamed. Self-harming is a problem for a lot of people - I self-harmed into my mid 20s and I'm not borderline. It's just a very unhealthy coping mechanism - it's a way of making us feel better. I'm going through this with my 14 year old now so I'm trying to teach her healthier alternatives in addition to counseling. I don't feel this is something anyone should ever feel shame or embarrassment over. You do the best with the tools you know how to use in order just to make it through. As we learn and grow, we develop better tools. At 30, I had butterflies tattooed over the worst of my scars to symbolize how far I'd come.

I'd argue too that you are an expert. Experience accounts for a hell of a lot when it comes to personality disorders. You've lived it and, even more importantly, triumphed in spite of it. My ex was eventually dx'd as narcissistic & antisocial so it's hard for me to dismiss it when I see it too - and in Jodi, it's like a huge revolving neon sign. If I turn and twist I can kinda try to fit borderline - though I suspect her suicide threats were manipulative in nature and designed simply to control those around her. Narcissistic, antisocial, psychopathic fit her like a glove though. And like you so rightly stated - impulsivity, promiscuity, risk-taking, etc. are very common among the disorders. She certainly wouldn't be the first personality disordered person to be misdiagnosed. A good case in point is someone with narcissistic personality disorder also has a heightened fear of being abandoned but for very different reasons than someone who is borderline. At the least, imo, she's comorbid with borderline accounting for the smallest part.

Something I think points straight to psychopathy instead of PTSD though is what you mentioned...it isn't just that Jodi doesn't avoid dealing with the blood and gore of her crime. It isn't just that there's no anxiety indicators. It's that she practically revels in what she's done! From asking Flores to see the photos of the crime scene to sneaking sideways glances of the autopsy photos in court - and while testifying those 18 days, if one watches closely, disparaging Travis and recounting the details of that day are when Jodi comes alive. She's damn near gleeful. It's just so obvious she isn't at all traumatized by her actions.

All JMO and FWIW

ETA after catching up on the whole thread : By their very nature, psychopaths and narcissists ARE delusional. It's not the same thing as someone suffering psychosis - it's more a matter of them creating their own reality.

Every bit as much as he used threats of suicide to manipulate me, my ex also used his anger and rages to control my actions and reactions. He didn't rage, ever, when my focus was on him and I was doing what he wanted me to do. My exerting independence or concentrating my efforts on others would provoke his anger and he would cycle through a series of manipulators until I behaved. It always started with him sulking like a little boy and the silent treatment. The last manipulator was always a full on rage when furniture would get smashed to bits or a phone would get ripped out of the wall. It's an adult temper tantrum - they know what they have to do to get the response they want. My focus would once again be on him and I'd be on eggshells for weeks if not months to come, watching my every response and reaction. Because of that whole series of manipulators, I'd end up freaked out he'd kill himself and feel immense guilt and shame for not being able to give him enough time, love, devotion, etc. So for awhile, I'd be practically coddling him and making sure he knew how important he was to me. It was every narcissist's fantasy.

I wouldn't at all be surprised if Jodi's violent outbursts weren't very similar for very similar reasons.

 

[josie1986]

Tanisha and Steven Alexander victim impact statements on Oct. 30:

http://tamaratattles.com/2014/10/30...-impact-statements-then-all-hell-broke-loose/

Thanks Deb.

I don't know how they have held it together in the courtroom,I really really hope today is the day justice comes and they can finally put jodi behind them and remember travis in the way he deserves to be.

 

[RadarLuv]

Goooooood morning all? Who thinks we are gonna see results today? I am quite refreshed and happy that this is going to be televised. It is going to be quite a long hours after they give notice!

 

[RadarLuv]

you mean this, it was quite ridiculous;

Great insight! I saw no real or genuine emotion from her either. It was all fake and forced. I also found it comical how she changed her appearance so drastically. Actually burst out laughing when I saw hear take the stand that first day, during the original trial. That babyish hairstyle was hilarious and so obvious. Uh, hey JA, they get to see photos of how you really make yourself look. It's as if she thought the jurors were idiots.

 

[kaRN]

Good question karn. Id think they would likely get her looked over by physicians. if she's able to continue. Id assume barring her missing an appendage or digits there's no delaying the inevitable

Pins stay in then Reading your post gave me a MJ flashback to the time he didn't show up to trial because he was at the hospital and he was ordered back...wearing pajamas lol!! I have verdict watch insomnia. How about you?

 

[Val1]

@ BritsKate, what I find quite sad is how happy she is that she has her family trapped in that courthouse with her.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/photos/photo-jodi-arias-family-members-sentencing-phase-retrial-29225959

I'm sure it would never happen, because I do believe her family loves her and although any punishment for misbehaving likely came too late to make any difference for her(I don't believe she was ever abused by them), it would be interesting to see how she would react if none of her family/friends were there when her sentence comes down.

I suppose MDLR and JW would still be there fawning over her, but for once in her life it would be interesting to see her reaction if she was held to account for her actions with noone else there to "fix" things or take the blame for her, no Mom to fly in with $2500 to rent a truck, rent a car, try to peddle stories to the National Enquirer, lie for her, no brothers/sisters to form a gang to go threaten ex-bf's, no aunts/uncles/grandparents/friends to withhold evidence or give her free room and board, send her money, etc... perhaps then we would finally see the real JA emerge.

As for the diagnosis Dr.D, or any of the psychologists gave her, ... garbage in garbage out imo.

 

[rose222]

I thought about it at night again. I don't see why the jurors would decide to not work on Fridays unless...unless they are already certain that they will have a verdict today. Why would they want a three day weekend after spending five months on this case? I think we'll have a verdict today--hopefully the right one!

 

[YESorNO]

Michael K. Jeanes, Clerk of Court
*** Electronically Filed ***
02/26/2015 8:00 AM

02/24/2015

TRIAL MINUTE ENTRY
DAY FORTY-FIVE

LET THE RECORD REFLECT that on 2/23/15 Exhibits 481, 511, 688-692, 694, 695,
696, 699, 708, 774, 775, 931, 932, 934, 438, 428, 432, 435, 669, 615, 841 and 559 were
temporarily released to Defense and returned today...

Various rulings made as stated on the record....

Final Instructions are read to the Jury in open Court.
Defense closing argument commences...

All Exhibits not offered and/or admitted are released....

State’s closing argument commences...

4:32 p.m. Court stands at recess until 2/25/15 at 9:30 a.m. in this division...

http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/docs/Criminal/022015/m6713465.pdf

 

[RadarLuv]

I thought about it at night again. I don't see why the jurors would decide to not work on Fridays unless...unless they are already certain that they will have a verdict today. Why would they want a three day weekend after spending five months on this case? I think we'll have a verdict today--hopefully the right one!

I definitely agree!