**Verdict watch weekend discussion thread** 3/3-4/2012

[Mama-cita]

Well, not exactly. Her skull was fractured in 2 places.
ME the said is was likely a heavy item with a rounded edge.

I've always thought it was a maglite myself, JTF. That rounded edge would leave crescent shaped marks, and the roughness around the edge could have caused the abrasion patterns.

 

[Just the Fax]

And that print on the water pipe or whatever it is was to the right of the camera and the plug on the camera was to the left right? IMO

Yes, the wire was on the left side of the camera, attaching to the lens.
That pipe print was way above the camera and it's significance was just defense spin.
JLY could not have reached the top of the pipe w/o a ladder.

 

[Cammy]

Camera had been tampered with once before many years ago by some teenagers, it was not a common occurrence, in addition, Mr. Goad's prints were not found on the camera either and he was the one seen on video fixing the camera that morning, go figure. Absence of evidence . . .

It was never stated how old the guests were that were sneaking people into the hotel to have a party.

I don't know many teenagers that are allowed to register for a room on their own, at least not without a drivers license.

The fact is, that camera was messed with before, doesn't matter when, doesn't matter who, doesn't matter what for.....
same camera, same stairwell, same hotel..

 

[Lori59]

Camera had been tampered with once before many years ago by some teenagers, it was not a common occurrence, in addition, Mr. Goad's prints were not found on the camera either and he was the one seen on video fixing the camera that morning, go figure. Absence of evidence . . .

For me, it is tampered camera, at hotel JY is staying, on the night MY was murdered, during the time he was out of pocket, at a door he himself said he used.....all those circumstances together :waitasec:

 

[Mama-cita]

For me, it is tampered camera, at hotel JY is staying, on the night MY was murdered, during the time he was out of pocket, at a door he himself said he used.....all those circumstances together :waitasec:

Kinda like if it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's probably NOT a brontosaurus! :rocker:

 

[otto]

If Jason Young's defenders cling to the fingerprints! camera! line...well, you have to be smarter than that.

I would rather cling to the evidence than be seduced with testimony from friends that contradicts testimony from investigators ... case in point: that accident report. Clearly the prosecution had a reason for introducing rumor rather than investigative reports during trial ... but what could that reason be?

 

[Cammy]

If Jason Young's defenders cling to the fingerprints! camera! line...well, you have to be smarter than that.

But if a fingerprint belonging to Jason Young was found on the camera, that would be a different story, right?

:wink:

 

[SteelerGirl43]

Well, not exactly. Her skull was fractured in 2 places.
ME the said is was likely a heavy item with a rounded edge.

So then it wasn't the lifetime hammer as some have suggested since it only weighs 4.9 ounces....

I'm sure it was something heavy or the person was very strong..... But not very long ..Just wasn't enough room to swing something long like a bat.... IMO

 

[mck16]

But if a fingerprint belonging to Jason Young was found on the camera, that would be a different story, right?

:wink:

Who would be stupid enough to leave a print anywhere? Were there any prints on the camera? All he would have to do is use a towel or cloth and there wouldn't be any prints. jmo

 

[Mama-cita]

I think an argument could be made (not saying I agree one way or another) that if you're holding a weapon in your hand and you strike a human skull over and over again causing the kind of damage made in this case the force of the blows could cause hand swelling.

What about people who work in construction, or heavy manual labor? They are hitting things far harder than a human skull. I've seen men take down the walls of a room using sledge hammers; solid 2x4 studs, sheetrock. It takes far more force to do something like that and I don't recall work like that being associated with acute swelling of the hands.
:moo: means MOO

 

[otto]

Kinda like if it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's probably NOT a brontosaurus! :rocker:

Which leads me to ask ... if the investigator's report states a set of facts and the friends contradict that report, why believe the friends? That's like chasing ducks and finding yourself underneath the brontosaurus.

 

[Cammy]

I would rather cling to the evidence than be seduced with testimony from friends that contradicts testimony from investigators ... case in point: that accident report. Clearly the prosecution had a reason for introducing rumor rather than investigative reports during trial ... but what could that reason be?

To make it look more sinister.

That Jason had been unsuccessful in his previous murder attempt.

Do you think the Pros knew that the defense would actually call the state trooper who investigated the accident?

They had to know, with discovery, right?

I bet they were not counting on him being such a remarkable witness though, with all his medals and being
one of our country's brave heroes.

:heart:

 

[janesdean]

For me, it is tampered camera, at hotel JY is staying, on the night MY was murdered, during the time he was out of pocket, at a door he himself said he used.....all those circumstances together :waitasec:

That is the clincher for me, all those things happening on that nite at those times, and it's the same nite his wife is murdered. And, back at Birchleaf, there is a bloodbath in master bedroom, some footprints in hall, lots of footprints in bathroom, but no bloody trail, no bloody footprints, no bloody anything in any other room in a three story house !! So, no shock that there wouldn't be any blood in JY's Explorer is it ? No random murderer takes the time or care to not track blood all over the home, the trash cans including liners are empty in garage, there's a roll of plastic trash bags out on the kitchen counter and one drop of blood on the kitchen door knob (Michelle's blood). Cmon, this jury has got to put two and two together and convict this murderer.

 

[mck16]

What about people who work in construction, or heavy manual labor? They are hitting things far harder than a human skull. I've seen men take down the walls of a room using sledge hammers; solid 2x4 studs, sheetrock. It takes far more force to do something like that and I don't recall work like that being associated with acute swelling of the hands.
:moo: means MOO

You are right my x was a carpenter and he used a very big hammer. His hands were never swollen or scratched up. And many types of hammer handles are wrapped in leather or something to cushion the blows. jmo

 

[Just the Fax]

I would rather cling to the evidence than be seduced with testimony from friends that contradicts testimony from investigators ... case in point: that accident report. Clearly the prosecution had a reason for introducing rumor rather than investigative reports during trial ... but what could that reason be?

You mean the "investigation" by the traffic cop?
I don't think I would call Mr. Dicks an "investigator".

 

[SteelerGirl43]

Who would be stupid enough to leave a print anywhere? Were there any prints on the camera? All he would have to do is use a towel or cloth and there wouldn't be any prints. jmo

Who would be stupid enough to wear their own shoes at a murder scene...

 

[Mama-cita]

Who would be stupid enough to leave a print anywhere? Were there any prints on the camera? All he would have to do is use a towel or cloth and there wouldn't be any prints. jmo

Actually the way Becky did the demo you wouldn't have to touch it with your fingertips at all. If you tugged at it with your fingers bent so the wire was grasped by your MIP or PIP (median interphalangeal or proximal interphalangeal) joints you could just give a quick yank, and no prints would come in contact with the wires at all. I was at the public library and saw a camera with a similar plug. It looked extremely easy to disable that wire. The camera could also be pushed up without leaving prints, using the knuckles of a closed fist.

Here's hoping JLY will soon be joining all the other wife killers in :jail:

 

[Just the Fax]

Who would be stupid enough to wear their own shoes at a murder scene...

Jason Young

 

[janesdean]

This is a link to the NTO and other search warrants:

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/asset_gallery/3401559/

This is a very interesting link, thanks. I found a Search Warrant chock full of interesting things. The SWORN officer cites almost everything incriminating against JY in this SW. The NTO was done a full 5 days after the murder at 7 PM on Nov 7th. ( 7 PM !). A foot specialist notes that JY has blisters on his feet, consistent with wearing shoes that are too tight. There is sworn statements about the cameras that were messed with, it also states that no one has ever messed with those cameras in five years ! Well, everyone can check it out and see whats up at this link:
http://www.wral.com/asset/news/news...h_warrant_for_Jason_Young_s_text_messages.pdf

 

[fredwomble]

But if a fingerprint belonging to Jason Young was found on the camera, that would be a different story, right?

:wink:

Jason wasn't completely incompetent, unfortunately. Therefore, he was intelligent enough not to leave a fingerprint on the camera...I mean, duh...More unfortunate, Jason was and is completely and nothing but evil.