**Verdict watch weekend discussion thread** 3/3-4/2012

[LOMom]

Did they find his own shoe print at the scene too?

tia

No, but he didn't live there either.

 

[Boodles]

6 women (5 white, 1 black)
4 men (2 white, 2 black)

The foreperson is a white female, appears early 30's

Thanks JTF! Do you know if there is any more info published, such as ages, occupations, etc.?

 

[gngr~snap]

From what I am reading some believe he is NG because of a lack of physical evidence. Yet, the physical evidence they do have is explained away as he wouldn't have slipped up and left his own shoe print. IMO

~ jmo but those prints look oddly placed... and by someone who is very tall (wide stride)
~ jmo again - he stood in one place for most of the beating and the prints were done after the fact

I'm basing that on only what I am seeing in the photos... I expected it to be MUCH worse. I really thought blood was dripping from all 4 walls and the ceiling. It's bad enough, and I'm sure the carpet on the other side of the bed is NOT shown... just saying...
photo #47
http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/image_gallery/9727548/

 

[Just the Fax]

Thanks JTF! Do you know if there is any more info published, such as ages, occupations, etc.?

Oh no, they are anonymous.
This is just my personal observation.

 

[otto]

How tall is JY? I was thinking like 6'..and he wears a size 10 shoe..Small foot for someone 6' or so..As far as the cigar smoking, there's no way he went out to smoke a cigar, cigarette maybe a quick smoke but not a cigar, my husband smokes a cigar every once in awhile and it takes forever for him to finish it..One more question, what's the explanation for the atlas.

He's 6'1" and wears a size 12-13 shoe.

There are many different types of cigars. Some are thin and some are thick. Classic cigar smokers will smoke one cigar, let it go out, smoke a little more a couple of hours later and basically smoke the same cigar through the day. The skinny cigars are smoked in a short time.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

~ jmo but those prints look oddly placed... and by someone who is very tall (wide stride)
~ jmo again - he stood in one place for most of the beating and the prints were done after the fact

I'm basing that on only what I am seeing in the photos... I expected it to be MUCH worse. I really thought blood was dripping from all 4 walls and the ceiling. It's bad enough, and I'm sure the carpet on the other side of the bed is NOT shown... just saying...
photo #47
http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/image_gallery/9727548/

Thanks for the link.

Did they find fingerprints on the entry/exit doorknob where the smeared blood is?

imo

 

[Grammy Jean]

Yes, the purchase of a cigar is a moot point. My husband's purchases would show he likes red wine, yet has never had an alcoholic drink in his life (he stops at the market for me sometimes). I have been known to sneak a cigarette sometimes and my DH has no idea (I hide it because he hates it). However, a couple of my closest girlfriends know and would be able to testify to that but it's not public knowledge. The fact JY cannot provide ONE person to EVER say they saw him smoke raises my eyebrows.

I was fully expecting DT to ask Mama Young if she had ever known JY to smoke a cigar. I thought her re. would be something like,"Well he knew I would never allow smoking in the house so there were occasions when he would go outside and enjoy a cigar, not often but a few times, yes he did."

 

[Just the Fax]

He's 6'1" and wears a size 12-13 shoe.

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The HP in question was a size 12...the same size he bought.

 

[otto]

Whether someone can get a foot into a shoe 2 sizes smaller than they normal wear should depend on the type of shoe - if you have sneakers with laces, you can loosen the laces and get your foot in there. If it is a dress shoe, it's a little harder, as it's not as flexible a material.

I wear a women's size 7.5 and just put on my son's old size 4 youth and got my foot all the way in with no problem. A tiny bit uncomfortable, but doable, especially if I wanted to throw the police off and get away with murder. I then had my other son, who wears a size 9, put on his little brother's size 6 - again, uncomfortable, but doable. He said "they're in, but they're a little tight".

You can definitely get on a pair of sneakers that are 2 sizes smaller than you normally wear. Is it uncomfortable? Probably, but I think a killer would be more concerned with getting away with murder than committing murder walking in comfortable shoes.

The width of the foot is a factor in putting on shoes that are too small. The smaller the shoe, the narrower it is. Men's shoes are a D width, women's shoes are a B width. A woman with a narrow foot would most likely have no problem putting her foot into a smaller man's shoe because the width is already wider than a woman's shoe. Jason is typically a size 12-13, so putting on a shoe that is 2-3 sizes smaller would create problems not only in length but in width.

I would have liked to have seen a demo of Jason putting on the size 10 shoes, as that would clear up all the questions about whether it was possible for Jason to do.

 

[otto]

The HP in question was a size 12...the same size he bought.

The shoes that Jason owned were sizes 12 and 13.

 

[Just the Fax]

The shoes that Jason owned were sizes 12 and 13.

Yes, I am aware.

 

[otto]

If you look at that photo of him walking down the hall at about midnight for his supposed cigar break, you know that it is not a newspaper that he is carrying in his hand - it is a book-type thing, most likely the atlas the PT said it was. Why would he say he had a newspaper when he actually had the atlas?? Obviously, he was trying to explain what that was in his hand after he saw the evidence of the photo.

If the jury also believes it is the atlas and not the newspaper in his hand, then JY should be in trouble.

I'm curious ... where does the atlas come in? The photo of him in the hallway is too blurry to make out anything, let alone an atlas.

 

[gracielee]

I was just showing you how he could have made the 10 prints, since the discussion has been it would be nearly impossible to wear a shoe 2 sizes smaller.

And we already know it wouldn't have been nearly impossible for someone to wear a shoe 2 sizes too small. Mr. gracielee proved that for us when the trial just began by sticking his size 12 feet into my size 8 Ryka's and walking all around our kitchen in them, with his heels hanging out the back of the shoes.

 

[Just the Fax]

otto, none of us are shoe experts, especially when it comes to size consistency of $10, dime store athletic shoes.

 

[otto]

If JY wore shoes two sizes smaller than his own feet then I would think he thought it was a big deal and he sure wouldnt want his own heel hanging off the back if he was trying to make shoe impressions in blood to throw off police. If his feet were fully inside the shoes then he would have abrasions on his heel too, imo. The photos of his feet just shows pressure points he has had for a long time due to his bone structure being higher in places than other areas. My husband has the same reddish marks on his feet due to the bones rising higher in some areas than others and his shoes rubs up against those places.

Our son wears a 12 and there is no way he can get his foot inside of a 10 size shoe.

I dont know what the 10 size shoes means but I dont think they were worn by JY. If he wore them trying to throw police off then why take them off and put on his own shoes?

Whatever the outcome is to this case the 10 size shoes will remain a mystery for there was absolutely no evidence entered suggesting that JY acted in concert with someone else.

IMO

BBM

I completely agree ...

 

[gracielee]

It seems like if he just slid his feet into the smaller 10 size shoes that when he tried to walk in them that the prints would show drag patterns of some kind. And if he actually put his feet inside he would have blisters on his heels also. If he only put the shoe on part ways then wouldnt his heel print have been seen on the back of the shoeprint. It had to be hanging off if he did that, imo.

If he just slid his feet inside and not all the way in the shoes then that seems awfully cumbersome while trying to commit a murder.

Mr. gracielee in fact said just the opposite. That he had no trouble walking in them *because* they clung to his feet. They didn't drag, but stuck to his foot like a sock. Being an athletic shoe, they were not cumbersome, and he had no trouble keeping his balance in them. He said 'he wouldn't want to walk a mile in them, but certainly had no trouble were he to go out to the mailbox or take the trash outside in them.' He was NOT off balance at all, and he's 67 years old.

 

[otto]

6 women (5 white, 1 black)
4 men (2 white, 2 black)

The foreperson is a white female, appears early 30's

Should that be 8 women?

 

[Just the Fax]

That's probably 8 women?

yes, ...thanks, i will correct

 

[LOMom]

I'm curious ... where does the atlas come in? The photo of him in the hallway is too blurry to make out anything, let alone an atlas.

You can see the size, thickness, and shape of the booklet - it is not a newspaper.

 

[gracielee]

And your wife probably wouldn't contradict you in front of the officer. Especially not if you're the mentally and emotionally abusive husband like Jason was to Michelle. (which I'm sure you are not!)

Michelle & Jason had already been off together alone, taken to the hospital, before jason was questioned about the accident. Don't you think he would have told her, 'don't tell them you didn't have your seatbelt on or our insurance might not pay for this mess *you've* gotten us into!'