Victim - Melissa Barthelemy

[fred&edna]

Months later, Terry said, he was approached by the police again, but this time not as a suspect. They wanted to know about the john on Long Island. They asked if he could describe the house and if he could pick it out if he was taken there. He said he could. "They already knew about the guy in Long Island," he said. "I said if they come to get me I would go. They didn't come."
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...island-serial-killer-victims-secret-life.html

Have there been any reports naming "this guy in Long Island"?

 

[truthspider]

Months later, Terry said, he was approached by the police again, but this time not as a suspect. They wanted to know about the john on Long Island. They asked if he could describe the house and if he could pick it out if he was taken there. He said he could. "They already knew about the guy in Long Island," he said. "I said if they come to get me I would go. They didn't come."
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...island-serial-killer-victims-secret-life.html

Have there been any reports naming "this guy in Long Island"?

some thoughts....

she had multiple clients on LI and the one Terry knew about wasn't of interest to LE.

Le learned that "the john on LI" couldn't be a suspect, so the SK must be a different John.

LE didn't need terry to point it out in person because they knew about the house and they could tell from a question or two that Terry knew the same house, and they may want terry as a witness in the future.

...


A question I would like to know the answer to is if any of the people of interest in OB for some reason didn't have access to a vehicle on April 30th, 2010...
a question I struggle with is why did our methodically careful perp kill SG, a girl who was not vulnerable? The other victims couldn't be tied to anyone or anyplace (until they were found dead). What was the mistake that was made?

Did JB tell the perp or the group that he picked this girl up himself, and so the perp was unaware of MP until after the fact or during the attack?

How did SG become scared of MP?
At some point in the night did the perp cloak his identity somehow (mask, pitch black room, etc) and SG didn't know who it was?

 

[fred&edna]

Re: How did SG become scared of MP?

Maybe... when she realized something bad was happening she also realized MP had set-up this "date" for her and thus leading her to believe he was in on it? There was a series of short but rapid calls between SG & MP just before MP went in to get her. Maybe these calls were SG asking him what he had gotten her into and he kept telling her "it was nothing", but she felt he knew more... and so she couldn't trust him.

 

[Theforeigner]

Re: How did SG become scared of MP?

Maybe... when she realized something bad was happening she also realized MP had set-up this "date" for her and thus leading her to believe he was in on it? There was a series of short but rapid calls between SG & MP just before MP went in to get her. Maybe these calls were SG asking him what he had gotten her into and he kept telling her "it was nothing", but she felt he knew more... and so she couldn't trust him.

God theorie, however this is the "TIMELINE for Melissa Barthelemy" thread, so please stay on topic

 

[mainegirl]

I'm curious how anyone can be so solidly confident there wasn't something about Melissa and that she was not a dancer. I believe the story is that she started dancing , then went into escorting. I'll go back and look I guess.
He did not use Maureen's phone to call anyone..... only tried to access her voice mail. Amber didn't have a phone with her so that's easy - but Megan more than likely had hers as she was known to be quite attached to it. He didn't use hers at all as far as we know.
Seems some are so hung up on it being the Oak Beach Gang that there is no looking at other possibilities.
Personally I think it's a strange but complete possibility that Shannan is not related to the rest of the victims other than she was either murdered or had a terrible accident several miles from where there were 10 bodies dumped on the parkway.
It's all good.
My question is answered - thanks

 

[Theforeigner]

THE SK's PHONE CALLS TRACED TO THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING AND/OR PORT AUTHORITY BUS STATION?

I found this info saying that the phone calls to Melissa's little sister were tapped after the third call to places near Times Square, Port Authority Bus Station, and the Empire State building.

Now this is the only time I have read that phone calls where traced to the Port Authority, and the Empire State building!

I have previously only read that the calls where traced to Times Square and Madison Square Garden.

SO...my question is: does anyone know anything about calls beeing traced to the Port Authority, and/or the Empire State building???

If anyone have contact with Melissa's family and/or their atty, could you PLEASE ask them if they could possibly give the correct locations of whereto the calls where traced?

I have a VERY good reason for asking so I hope somone can help out.

And if somone can provide the correct answer as to what locations those calls where traced, but don´t want to post it in this thread, please PM me.

http://www.longislandexchange.com/articles/news/victimsgilgobeach-071311.html
Jessica Cappelli

July 13, 2011 5:28 PM Eastern

Quote:

"Barthelemy's then fifteen-year-old sister received a call from the killer while he had been using Barthelemy's cell phone. Reports stated that he spoke softly, comfortably, and in a controlled manner. He made eight phone calls in total, one of which was to Barthelemy's mother when he asked if she had filed a missing persons report.

The phones were tapped after the third call to places near Times Square, Port Authority, and the Empire State building. The last call was received on August 26, 2009 when the killer asked Barthelemy's sister if she knew what he did to her. The killer then admitted that he killed Melissa and threatened her sister by saying he knew where she lived and would come after her."

 

[Theforeigner]

Ok I found some answers in the 48hours program:

Long Island Serial Killer. [url]www.dore1.com - YouTube[/url]

At 15:35 in the video it was stated:

"Authorities were able to trace some of the calls to a handfull of buissy locations in midtown Manhattan near the Port Authority, the Empire State building and Time Square"

But what about Madison Square Garden?

 

[BKS]

Wasn't the Port Authority the last place Jessica Taylor was seen as well? Also, I don't know that it is related, but there was a huge scandal with the Port Authority a few years back over funds being used for prostitution.

 

[Peter Brendt]

Wasn't the Port Authority the last place Jessica Taylor was seen as well? Also, I don't know that it is related, but there was a huge scandal with the Port Authority a few years back over funds being used for prostitution.

I did a bit digging after some of the locals refused cooperation. According to Google Maps, some hooker boards, some "private" club reviews, and funny, some real estate agents, the bus terminal seems not to be part of the redlight area but then, it's the fastest possibility to get away from the area and since a lot of the prostitutes have no cars around (even if the own cars, it's hell to find a parking space there) and are not even from the city, it appears as if it's some kind of popular with them.
I never heard, JT was seen there last, but then, it sounds logical, at least area-wise.

Peter

 

[Theforeigner]

Wasn't the Port Authority the last place Jessica Taylor was seen as well? Also, I don't know that it is related, but there was a huge scandal with the Port Authority a few years back over funds being used for prostitution.

Yes, you are right about JT:

Read more: http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Cr...ys-top-Irish-cop-119680479.html#ixzz1xJExAikz


Jessica Taylor Discovered 3/29/11
Age: 20
Hometown: Upstate New York
Last seen: Working as a prostitute on 7/21/03 at Port Authority Bus Terminal in Manhattan. Taylor's remains were first found on 7/26/03 in Manorville, NY; her head and limbs were later found on Cedar Beach on 3/29/11. The killer mutilated a tattoo on Taylor's hip.


And, as we all know, also Maureen Brainard-Barnes was alleged at the Port Authority Bus Terminal the day she disappeared:

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Cr...rial-killer-says-top-Irish-cop-119680479.html

Maureen Brainard-Barnes got the train from Connecticut to Long Island with friends on July 9 2007. That night she called a friend from the New York Port Authority Bus Terminal. She was upset and said she had been robbed of the money that she earned that day. She told her friend she was coming home. She never made it.

 

[Peter Brendt]

Yes, you are right about JT:

Read more: http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Cr...ys-top-Irish-cop-119680479.html#ixzz1xJExAikz


Jessica Taylor Discovered 3/29/11
Age: 20
Hometown: Upstate New York
Last seen: Working as a prostitute on 7/21/03 at Port Authority Bus Terminal in Manhattan. Taylor's remains were first found on 7/26/03 in Manorville, NY; her head and limbs were later found on Cedar Beach on 3/29/11. The killer mutilated a tattoo on Taylor's hip.


And, as we all know, also Maureen Brainard-Barnes was alleged at the Port Authority Bus Terminal the day she disappeared:

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Cr...rial-killer-says-top-Irish-cop-119680479.html

Maureen Brainard-Barnes got the train from Connecticut to Long Island with friends on July 9 2007. That night she called a friend from the New York Port Authority Bus Terminal. She was upset and said she had been robbed of the money that she earned that day. She told her friend she was coming home. She never made it.

I knew about MBB, but missed that bit about JT somehow. Thanks for clearing that up!
However, there is some difference: MBB was a Craigslist escort, she was meeting with johns, she had made out with before, in a hotel, I think, at 46th Street. JT was more the street corner kind of prostitute as far as the articles go, I read. This means two different levels of communicative behavior. On Craigslist, the unsub has to do the first step (or find her physically), on a street corner, the victim is already there and she will start communication.

Peter

 

[Seaslug44]

I knew about MBB, but missed that bit about JT somehow. Thanks for clearing that up!
However, there is some difference: MBB was a Craigslist escort, she was meeting with johns, she had made out with before, in a hotel, I think, at 46th Street. JT was more the street corner kind of prostitute as far as the articles go, I read. This means two different levels of communicative behavior. On Craigslist, the unsub has to do the first step (or find her physically), on a street corner, the victim is already there and she will start communication.

Peter

Peter, this is all assuming that the killer was a complete stranger and had to search for his victims using the methods that the prostitutes used to find their clients.

There is another explanation: the killer is someone who was linked to them through their common lifestyle. Someone "inside" the world of prostitution, drugs, and/or or a crime organization linked to their lifestyles.

 

[Just K]

Is it possible that MB, while waiting outside her home, actually got a cab to the Port Authority?

 

[Peter Brendt]

Peter, this is all assuming that the killer was a complete stranger and had to search for his victims using the methods that the prostitutes used to find their clients.

There is another explanation: the killer is someone who was linked to them through their common lifestyle. Someone "inside" the world of prostitution, drugs, and/or or a crime organization linked to their lifestyles.

As you know, I don't believe in the "fixer" theory. For the following reasons:

- first, for the appearance of the fixer in this case, there needs to be a connection to organized crime. Neither Cruz nor Diaz, nor, Schlatter, nor ... and so on and so on, appear as part of that, at least not high enough in rank to send out a "fixer"

- second, a "fixer" or "hitman" has a professional need to avoid unwanted attention. Victim's of "fixers" and "hitmen" disappear and that's it. They don't reappear in well ordered re-visitable dump sites.

- third, even under the assumption, there is such a fixer, we would either need to separate the SG case from the GB4, which then would bring us in the need to find a common denominator in form of someone sending out a "fixer" who had a motive to do so in all five cases. And if only SG would we killed by a "fixer", we would still look for the killer of the GB4.

So I still stuck with serial killer for the GB4, freak accident for SG and a dismemberer for JT&Co. Which means, I look for the hunting ground. But which doesn't mean of course , if you assume a mob connection, that you shouldn't look in that direction.

Peter

 

[Peter Brendt]

Is it possible that MB, while waiting outside her home, actually got a cab to the Port Authority?

Or the wider area. For example 46th Street like MBB?

 

[Seaslug44]

As you know, I don't believe in the "fixer" theory. For the following reasons:

- first, for the appearance of the fixer in this case, there needs to be a connection to organized crime. Neither Cruz nor Diaz, nor, Schlatter, nor ... and so on and so on, appear as part of that, at least not high enough in rank to send out a "fixer"

- second, a "fixer" or "hitman" has a professional need to avoid unwanted attention. Victim's of "fixers" and "hitmen" disappear and that's it. They don't reappear in well ordered re-visitable dump sites.

- third, even under the assumption, there is such a fixer, we would either need to separate the SG case from the GB4, which then would bring us in the need to find a common denominator in form of someone sending out a "fixer" who had a motive to do so in all five cases. And if only SG would we killed by a "fixer", we would still look for the killer of the GB4.

So I still stuck with serial killer for the GB4, freak accident for SG and a dismemberer for JT&Co. Which means, I look for the hunting ground. But which doesn't mean of course , if you assume a mob connection, that you shouldn't look in that direction.

Peter

Take the "Fixer" angle out of the equation and then consider the question again.

In otherwords, assuming your guy is out there "hunting" as you put it, what if his hunting grounds are not the online ads?

What if his connection to the victims is something like any of the following;

• Past or current employees of Strip Clubs?
• Customers of a particular drug dealer?
• Girls employed by a particular gang or other crime organization?
• Girls who have been confronted by the same law enforcement officer?
• Girls who all have been confronted by the same person or organization looking to get them out of their lifestyle?
• Patients of the same medical institution/clinic?

We might be shutting the door on a whole world of possibilities if we make the assumption that he hunted them online. What are there other common denominators?

 

[Peter Brendt]

Take the "Fixer" angle out of the equation and then consider the question again.

In otherwords, assuming your guy is out there "hunting" as you put it, what if his hunting grounds are not the online ads?

What if his connection to the victims is something like any of the following;

• Past or current employees of Strip Clubs?
• Customers of a particular drug dealer?
• Girls employed by a particular gang or other crime organization?
• Girls who have been confronted by the same law enforcement officer?
• Girls who all have been confronted by the same person or organization looking to get them out of their lifestyle?
• Patients of the same medical institution/clinic?

We might be shutting the door on a whole world of possibilities if we make the assumption that he hunted them online. What are there other common denominators?

The noise you heard, was the noise of running in an open door. But about a year ago, I was more or less mobbed for mentioning the possibility that the hunting ground is maybe the red light scene and the private clubs between Hell's Kitchen and Madison Square Garden (about-ish). Some of the phone calls to Melissa's sister were pin pointed in that area, the BDSM scene is there with some clubs, the wider scene for the very normal taste is there, the 46th Street, where MBB had the hotel room ...
So if you think, the time is right, to discuss that again, I'm in.

Peter

 

[lieber32]

Take the "Fixer" angle out of the equation and then consider the question again.

In otherwords, assuming your guy is out there "hunting" as you put it, what if his hunting grounds are not the online ads?

What if his connection to the victims is something like any of the following;

• Past or current employees of Strip Clubs?
• Customers of a particular drug dealer?
• Girls employed by a particular gang or other crime organization?
• Girls who have been confronted by the same law enforcement officer?
• Girls who all have been confronted by the same person or organization looking to get them out of their lifestyle?
• Patients of the same medical institution/clinic?

We might be shutting the door on a whole world of possibilities if we make the assumption that he hunted them online. What are there other common denominators?

As someone that works in LE (civillian sell police reports and do background checks) I really think you are on to something. My thought is these girls might have been customers of the same drug dealer. I do background checks on women who have been in that trade weekly and if prositution and street demonstration pop up repeatly drug offenses follow. Drug offenses usually carry stiffer sentences and are more likely to be open records. Wonder if these girls have been run in case.net. I'm assuming Missouri isn't the only state to have this open resource to show crimes open to the public? Also want to say I don't look at these girls as anything but victims, just trying to help.

 

[Peter Brendt]

As someone that works in LE (civillian sell police reports and do background checks) I really think you are on to something. My thought is these girls might have been customers of the same drug dealer. I do background checks on women who have been in that trade weekly and if prositution and street demonstration pop up repeatly drug offenses follow. Drug offenses usually carry stiffer sentences and are more likely to be open records. Wonder if these girls have been run in case.net. I'm assuming Missouri isn't the only state to have this open resource to show crimes open to the public? Also want to say I don't look at these girls as anything but victims, just trying to help.

Why? We knew already they have a history of drug problems. However, I would guess, there is more than one dealer in the NYC and LI area.

 

[Samantha Spade]

shannan reportedly had met with a client in midtown manhattan before heading down to the south shore to jb's with MP. I would hope investigators looked for some kind of connection, if there was one, between the client in the city and JB. a referral? A drug connection?