Victim - Melissa Barthelemy

[BKS]

This makes me think maybe he thought there was a chance someone was setting him up or on to him early on.


"All the calls responding to the Craigslist ads came from a disposable mobile, and lasted less than three minutes."

Just a thought.

 

[Sillybilly]

You have to cast that net a little wider. We have three victims offering garden variety sex but one offering femdom.

<rsbm>

Wouldn't femdom narrow the field somewhat? IMO, the "garden variety" victims would be more dominated by the perp, as opposed to the perp allowing someone to dominate him in a femdom scenario. This is assuming that the victim was chosed by the perp specifically for the femdom, which could indicate a submissive aspect to the perp's personality.

 

[LINative13]

I think, maybe, they had no trace on it at all. They went months later, and only after bodies popped up, through old records. And of course, months later, the guy wasn't in the phone booth anymore.

Post 9/11....you cant walk into Times Square, Penn Station, Empire State building without being photographed several times and atleast videotaped from 5 different angles. I do not know the retention period of these images but it is probably something that can be stored relatively easily for a government agency such as the FBI. If apple can store everything that you "ask siri" the FBI can definitely do it.

 

[nugzter]

I wish LE would turn up the heat on this guy (LISK). LE had to be listening in on at least the last call. I hope that they have a recording or at least MB's lawyer has one. If LE could get a trace, then for sure they have his voice recorded.
This could be the reason LE has not named anyone, MSM has reported on, from the SG case as POI's or suspects.
The way it seems, LE has done everything they can with technology.
IMO

 

[Theforeigner]

I think, maybe, they had no trace on it at all. They went months later, and only after bodies popped up, through old records. And of course, months later, the guy wasn't in the phone booth anymore.

Well your thought is not correct Peter Brendt.

The day of the killers third call , July 23, 2009, police requested a tap on the phone.
So at the next call, date not known, the date of next 3 calls have not been published, police tapped the calls, which means the last 4 calls were tapped, including the last call beeing Aug 26, 2009.


http://missingpersonsnetwork.org/20...bert-victim-of-the-long-island-serial-killer/


"Approximately a week after Melissa’s disappearance, Amanda, Melissa’s 15-year-old sister received a call from Melissa’s cell phone. Relieved and excited, expecting to hear her sister’s voice, Amanda found herself speaking to a man who authorities believe was Melissa’s killer. During the call, the man said sexually explicit things to the child and began describing horrific things he was going to do to her. It wasn’t until the third phone call police finally requested a tap on the phone. On August 26, 2009 the male caller made his last call to Amanda and reportedly admitted to killing Melissa. He also warned Amanda he knew where she lived and would come and kill her too."


The info is actually also in a post I posted on page 6, on the previous page on this thread post #132:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134782&page=6




FYI, the phone calls to MB's sister started July 16, 2009 and ended Aug 26, 2009 with the caller saying he killed Melissa.
The calls ended after a Buffalo TV station revealed their existence.
So the timespan of the calls where 5 weeks and 3 days.



2009 calls from MB cell phone, (7 all together. The dates of phonecalls number 4,5, and 6 has not been made public ):

1. July 16,

2. July 19

3. July 23

4. ?

5. ?

6. ?

7. Aug 26

 

[Theforeigner]

FBI should take over this case !!!

 

[waltson]

Thank you foreigner. The SK was obsessed with MB! He called her sister a lot and also called her boyfriend. SO if John Terry knew where MB's old man friend lived how could that relate to the phone calls he received? Could SK have been trying to scare JT because JT knew either about him our his group of old man friends?

 

[Peter Brendt]

Right, how stupid to use a phone booth. Hope they have an image of the idiot.

Nope, they were the bigger idiots. When the calls actually happened, LE didn't care and so much later bodies popped up, LISK wasn't in the phone booth anymore.

 

[Peter Brendt]

This makes me think maybe he thought there was a chance someone was setting him up or on to him early on.


"All the calls responding to the Craigslist ads came from a disposable mobile, and lasted less than three minutes."

Just a thought.

That's not necessarily him. Can be any "faithful husband" and "bored businessman", and so on. I mean, there is not that much to talk with an escort on the phone, I take it. Price and where.

 

[Peter Brendt]

<rsbm>

Wouldn't femdom narrow the field somewhat? IMO, the "garden variety" victims would be more dominated by the perp, as opposed to the perp allowing someone to dominate him in a femdom scenario. This is assuming that the victim was chosed by the perp specifically for the femdom, which could indicate a submissive aspect to the perp's personality.

Masochists don't kill. Sadists kill. And the picture of those CEOs going to dominas is a little bit a cliche, but it hits it, because in a way, those guys relax from their normal life of "killing".
So, what femdom really indicates is, the Craiglist ads were not the primary point of victim selection.

 

[Peter Brendt]

Post 9/11....you cant walk into Times Square, Penn Station, Empire State building without being photographed several times and atleast videotaped from 5 different angles. I do not know the retention period of these images but it is probably something that can be stored relatively easily for a government agency such as the FBI. If apple can store everything that you "ask siri" the FBI can definitely do it.

That's interesting. Didn't think about it, but you're right. The question is, did SCPD already think so far, because the FBI involvement as of yet appears limited to manpower during the searches and a rubber stamp profile.

 

[Peter Brendt]

Well your thought is not correct Peter Brendt.

The day of the killers third call , July 23, 2009, police requested a tap on the phone.
So at the next call, date not known, the date of next 3 calls have not been published, police tapped the calls, which means the last 4 calls were tapped, including the last call beeing Aug 26, 2009.


http://missingpersonsnetwork.org/20...bert-victim-of-the-long-island-serial-killer/


"Approximately a week after Melissa’s disappearance, Amanda, Melissa’s 15-year-old sister received a call from Melissa’s cell phone. Relieved and excited, expecting to hear her sister’s voice, Amanda found herself speaking to a man who authorities believe was Melissa’s killer. During the call, the man said sexually explicit things to the child and began describing horrific things he was going to do to her. It wasn’t until the third phone call police finally requested a tap on the phone. On August 26, 2009 the male caller made his last call to Amanda and reportedly admitted to killing Melissa. He also warned Amanda he knew where she lived and would come and kill her too."


The info is actually also in a post I posted on page 6, on the previous page on this thread post #132:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134782&page=6




FYI, the phone calls to MB's sister started July 16, 2009 and ended Aug 26, 2009 with the caller saying he killed Melissa.
The calls ended after a Buffalo TV station revealed their existence.
So the timespan of the calls where 5 weeks and 3 days.



2009 calls from MB cell phone, (7 all together. The dates of phonecalls number 4,5, and 6 has not been made public ):

1. July 16,

2. July 19

3. July 23

4. ?

5. ?

6. ?

7. Aug 26

That's great, then we only need to figure out, which of those calls were made from burners and which from phone booths, which of the articles mentioning different locations are correct and which not. So, do I need to make a comma mistake to trigger your skills or will you check on your own?

 

[Peter Brendt]

FBI should take over this case !!!

I think, you overestimate the FBI. They messed up pretty good with AC, with West Mesa, with the Baseline Killer and their profiling of the Flint-Stabber was a joke.
Problem is, they have transferred everyone worth a shot of gun powder to counter terrorism.

 

[Peter Brendt]

Thank you foreigner. The SK was obsessed with MB! He called her sister a lot and also called her boyfriend. SO if John Terry knew where MB's old man friend lived how could that relate to the phone calls he received? Could SK have been trying to scare JT because JT knew either about him our his group of old man friends?

If those phone calls are part of his signature, he couldn't give up those so easily. If they were however the modern version of an injection letter, a bit more elaborate, they served only one purpose: To give an entirely wrong impression about him. Have you ever read the Son of Sam or the Ripper letters. Interesting study objects how it works.

 

[Flukeyou]

I agree Peter....and that's why CPH couldn't help himself and had to call mari Gilbert three times!!!!!!

 

[Justiceforever]

I mean, there is not that much to talk with an escort on the phone, I take it. Price and where.

Well you might not think so, but most clients will try to keep you on the phone for as long as they can. They will try to get all kinds of personal info from you, try to get you to talk dirty, tell you all there fantasies and so on and on and on! If a girl indulges them it's like free phone sex, so why not. If you haven't developed a script and stick to it, they will try to keep you on the phone forever. Anyways I'm not sure that this tidbit matters cuz this guy DIDN'T stay on the phone. :twocents:

 

[Peter Brendt]

Well you might not think so, but most clients will try to keep you on the phone for as long as they can. They will try to get all kinds of personal info from you, try to get you to talk dirty, tell you all there fantasies and so on and on and on! If a girl indulges them it's like free phone sex, so why not. If you haven't developed a script and stick to it, they will try to keep you on the phone forever. Anyways I'm not sure that this tidbit matters cuz this guy DIDN'T stay on the phone. :twocents:

Okay ... I admit, since I always was able to get what I needed on more civil ways ... I probably have a wrong idea about that special issue. :floorlaugh:

 

[Sillybilly]

Masochists don't kill. Sadists kill. And the picture of those CEOs going to dominas is a little bit a cliche, but it hits it, because in a way, those guys relax from their normal life of "killing".
So, what femdom really indicates is, the Craiglist ads were not the primary point of victim selection.

I know the difference between masochists and sadists Peter, but does it not occur to you that we could possibly be dealing with a sadomasochist here?

 

[fieldnotes]

I found this article regarding telephone calls to the girls that advertised on Craigslist. According to this article calls made to Melissa's mother and sister were made from a pay phone and a disposable phone. Also, calls made to the escorts from the Craigslist ads were all less then 3 minutes and made on disposable phones. That may be why numerous calls were made to the girls before the actual dates. He was limiting his calls to under 3 minutes knowing the calls could not be traced.

"The several phone calls remind detectives of an earlier clue: the client of another girl who ended up on Gilgo Beach, Melissa Barthelemy (above right), made several calls to the home where she lived with her mother and sister, even taunting them after she disappeared. Police traced those calls as coming from Times Square, Madison Square Garden, above Penn Station, and the Long Island suburbs near Babylon.

Whoever made those calls knew how to avoid detection: they were from public booths or disposable mobile phones in crowded places, and each call lasted less than the three minutes it takes a cop listening in to trace them. All the calls responding to the Craigslist ads came from a disposable mobile, and lasted less than three minutes."

Read more: http://www.theweek.co.uk/politics/6133/craigslist-killer-growing-sense-he%E2%80%99s-cop#ixzz22899JTsC

I'm not convinced LE has used all the available resources and I feel like the FBI and Homeland Security should have taken more of a lead role from the start due to their expertise in surveillance technology. Here is a question I have - have they utilized "tower dumps" and cross referenced the results using computer software? In other words, if the LISK used a disposable phone there is a possibility that his regular "real world" registered cell phone was with him and turned on and would be pinging and showing up in the tower dumps. If it shows up more than once - BINGO!! The problem is as far as I've come to know the cell carriers only keep these tower records for a finite period of time and it would have had to be done right away. But there are multiple instances where tower dump data should have been mined IMO. Including when MBB's phone pinged on OP. But I'm no expert in this area whatsoever so if anyone can add something please do.

 

[Sillybilly]

@Fieldnotes

Sorry to take this a bit OT for a moment ... do you happen to know if the Gilberts visited CPH in the morning or afternoon of Mothers Day, May 9. I'm just curious as it relates to CPH's admitted 12:06 pm call to SG's sister on that date. Thanks !!