Video of KC and Baez Crying together to be released UPDATE BAEZ THREATENS TO SUE

[debs]

Well, isn't that just special. I was particularly confused at the wording in point number 3. "All meetings with client are protected under attorney client privilege, even though the jail has done so in the past in the location they want us to meet in. Most times it has been a vacant classroom."

huh? The jail has done WHAT so?

 

[LeLe1953]

How do we know what part of the video she saw...it came on the tv and the guards removed her from the rec area.

I don't recall the guards removing KC when the Blanchard park stuff came on. The way I remember the story is KC was alone ( other than guards) in the day room when the news came on about bones/toys being found on the dive. I remember it saying she had no reaction & just casually went back to her cell. I got the impression she didnt even finish watching the news.

 

[cyberborg]

JB's new motion was just released and it seems he did reference the Broward County incident which resulted in prosecutorial sanction and removal: JB's March 11 Emergency Motion for Protective Order & Other Relief

As usual, the motion is a terrific mess-- but, it's out there, for anyone who wants to have a gander... :waitasec:

This seems a completely different writing style and JB's signature is more clear and more professional.

 

[LeLe1953]

Not only that but did she ever once ask LA or the A's if they have any good leads, if they've heard anything etc? Yes Baez kept her abreast of what was going on according to KC, but for example her parents came early one morning to see her. KC herself states that she just woke up. The first question out of my mouth would be..have you heard anything..what's going on etc! Nope not KC. JMO

Also, CA is crying in the one jail video. KC laughs and asks "why is she crying already" For all KC would have known, Caylee may have just been found 2 minutes before that. This was the video again that was in the morning, she states that she just woke up. She even goes on to say she was up at like 5 and then went back to bed. It's all very telling IMO.

I have not seen ONE jail house video or heard ONE jail house call where KC expresses concern over Caylee. It is always about her: I just woke up, I ate cole slaw, do you believe that. I eat only so they wont watch me. I have NO ONE, you guys at least have each other, I have NO ONE. Calling u guys, what a waste. All anybody cares about is Caylee. It all just goes and on like this. I would have been begging for info, where have you searched, have you heard what LE thinks. I would have wanted any and all info I could get.

 

[Macushla]

I just read the motion JB just filed, and I admit I don't understand a lot of it. Having said that, I may, just may agree with what he is saying. Shocking, I know.

I think it all depends on what is 'normal procedure' at the jail. If everything that JB says happened, has happened to numerous other inmates, then he is just whistling in the wind. If it is standard procedure - he should know that, he's a lawyer who visited clients in jail before, I'm sure. However, and this is where I hope, really hope, the jail personnel knew what they were doing, if this was done ONLY with KC, and not with other inmates accused of homicide or other serious crimes, he may have a point. Since he talks about how search warrents are requred for certain things, I am guessing none were obtained in these instances. KC does not have the right to special treatment, as many have said, but she also should not be subjected to anything that other inmates were not subjected to. I am talking about standard procedures here. The things that happen every at the facility.

As much as I hate to say this, it is possible that JB is in the right in some areas of this motion, not all, mind you, but some. I really hope this motion is discussed in open court rather than 'in camera' - because I want to hear this one from beginning to end, with everyone involved stating the facts as they know them, jail personnel included.

 

[Pattymarie]

Do we know when this video will be released?

 

[cyberborg]

I just read the motion JB just filed, and I admit I don't understand a lot of it. Having said that, I may, just may agree with what he is saying. Shocking, I know.

I think it all depends on what is 'normal procedure' at the jail. If everything that JB says happened, has happened to numerous other inmates, then he is just whistling in the wind. If it is standard procedure - he should know that, he's a lawyer who visited clients in jail before, I'm sure. However, and this is where I hope, really hope, the jail personnel knew what they were doing, if this was done ONLY with KC, and not with other inmates accused of homicide or other serious crimes, he may have a point. Since he talks about how search warrents are requred for certain things, I am guessing none were obtained in these instances. KC does not have the right to special treatment, as many have said, but she also should not be subjected to anything that other inmates were not subjected to. I am talking about standard procedures here. The things that happen every at the facility.

As much as I hate to say this, it is possible that JB is in the right in some areas of this motion, not all, mind you, but some. I really hope this motion is discussed in open court rather than 'in camera' - because I want to hear this one from beginning to end, with everyone involved stating the facts as they know them, jail personnel included.

It was mentioned on NG that it is un-certain where JB was when he was video'd with KC crying. Since KC was in the medical waiting room and JB was already waiting to see her, it is speculated that JB was in the waiting room with her.

If true, this changes things a lot. It is far different to be on camera in an interview room and that video is used than being in the waiting room and that it is used as part of the same tape.

We will have to see, the truth may be somewhere in-between, as usual, but JB made a bigger mistake if he reacted in a 'public' area.

 

[nancy botwin]

I just read the motion JB just filed, and I admit I don't understand a lot of it. Having said that, I may, just may agree with what he is saying. Shocking, I know.

I think it all depends on what is 'normal procedure' at the jail. If everything that JB says happened, has happened to numerous other inmates, then he is just whistling in the wind. If it is standard procedure - he should know that, he's a lawyer who visited clients in jail before, I'm sure. However, and this is where I hope, really hope, the jail personnel knew what they were doing, if this was done ONLY with KC, and not with other inmates accused of homicide or other serious crimes, he may have a point. Since he talks about how search warrents are requred for certain things, I am guessing none were obtained in these instances. KC does not have the right to special treatment, as many have said, but she also should not be subjected to anything that other inmates were not subjected to. I am talking about standard procedures here. The things that happen every at the facility.

As much as I hate to say this, it is possible that JB is in the right in some areas of this motion, not all, mind you, but some. I really hope this motion is discussed in open court rather than 'in camera' - because I want to hear this one from beginning to end, with everyone involved stating the facts as they know them, jail personnel included.

I can definitely see how one could read this motion and agree with the ideas he advances. It's weird though, because he doesn't state the appropriate and controlling authority (most recent or factually/jurisdictionally germane) to support his legal arguments.

From what I've read, Florida (with the exception of the recent Broward County case in which prosecutors were removed for listening to atty/client calls) seems to afford inmates fewer protections than one would expect. I think the reality is that ALL inmates are constantly being filmed and monitored-- for their own safety and for the safety of everyone else (including JB). But these tapes are used for internal purposes and don't make it into evidence. IMO JB is putting the cart before the horse here and then imagining that the horse is about to trample him.

IMO we wouldn't even KNOW about these tapes if JB hadn't publicly addressed them in the media. He could have -- and SHOULD HAVE-- discreetly sought to have these tapes reviewed and dealt with privately. I'm sure there are probably tapes of Casey Anthony using the toilet. But I doubt the SA is going to look at them, let alone use them as evidence. We would never know about these tapes unless and until JB decides to spout off about them in the media. (Which he might do, since in the last hearing he felt compelled to reference Casey's panty drawer??)

The person/entity which comes closest to violating Casey's rights right now appears to be JB-- IMO He should seriously be quiet.

 

[Bluebelle]

How do we know what part of the video she saw...it came on the tv and the guards removed her from the rec area.

Do you think she was moved to her cell before the search at Blanchard Park was mentioned? If she knew where the search was being conducted and had no reaction, I think that speaks volumes of her knowledge that Caylee was not there. Maybe? I guess we'll find out when we see the tape, lol!

 

[Macushla]

I can definitely see how one could read this motion and agree with the ideas he advances. It's weird though, because he doesn't state the appropriate and controlling authority (most recent or factually/jurisdictionally germane) to support his legal arguments.

From what I've read, Florida (with the exception of the recent Broward County case in which prosecutors were removed for listening to atty/client calls) seems to afford inmates fewer protections than one would expect. I think the reality is that ALL inmates are constantly being filmed and monitored-- for their own safety and for the safety of everyone else (including JB). But these tapes are used for internal purposes and don't make it into evidence. IMO JB is putting the cart before the horse here and then imagining that the horse is about to trample him.

IMO we wouldn't even KNOW about these tapes if JB hadn't publicly addressed them in the media. He could have -- and SHOULD HAVE-- discreetly sought to have these tapes reviewed and dealt with privately. I'm sure there are probably tapes of Casey Anthony using the toilet. But I doubt the SA is going to look at them, let alone use them as evidence. We would never know about these tapes unless and until JB decides to spout off about them in the media. (Which he might do, since in the last hearing he felt compelled to reference Casey's panty drawer??)

The person/entity which comes closest to violating Casey's rights right now appears to be JB-- IMO He should seriously be quiet.

OH I agree, JB went about this in the wrong way. And trust me, my opinion of JB over all, is that he is a less than stellar lawyer. All I am saying is that I hope the jail personnel have very good reasons for not taping over their usual monitoring of KC as they evidently do with other inmates. It does the state's side no good if it looks like KC is being 'picked on' and subjected to things the other inmates are not subjected to. the only reason I am concerned about this is because I don't want there to be any 'appealable' issues after this trial.

As you are, I am talking from a procedural point of view, rather than a personal she deserves whatever happens to her one. Do you think JB's motion, as poorly writtin as it was, has any merit? Or do you want to know what the standard procedures are before forming your opinion?

 

[BonKai]

I think the release of this video is horrible, if the vid we speak of is the discovery of Caylee's remains. What if Casey is innocent and the reaction that we will all salivate over is actually her honest reaction to the discovery of her child's remains? It makes me terribly uncomfortable and I for one, will not watch it. I have no desire to watch any mother come undone, regardless of her involvement. Casey's pain triggers absolutely no delight in me as I imagine it pales in comparison to the pain she has caused others. I live in FL and think the sunshine act needs to be repealed or changed. I feel it is unfair to both the incarcerated and her prosecutors.

While I understand where you are coming from, what bothers me is those remains were not identified as being Caylee's until 8 days later. Why would Casey's reaction be so extreme at this point?

She did not react that way when LP was searching J Blanchard Park and it was being reported that bones were possibly found.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

JB's new motion was just released and it seems he did reference the Broward County incident which resulted in prosecutorial sanction and removal: JB's March 11 Emergency Motion for Protective Order & Other Relief

As usual, the motion is a terrific mess-- but, it's out there, for anyone who wants to have a gander... :waitasec:

I am truley ignorant of the law but try to apply common sense when I'm lacking knowledge. I can't understand why no one in Casey's "high profile" team of lawyers is involved in helping cover up JB's inexperience or stupidity. Are they all "specialized" and have no team spirit, no time, no interest or not getting paid enough to participate at that level? I don't think I could be on a team and let the "leader" make such a buffoon of himself/us. Makes me think they are as lacking as JB.

 

[nancy botwin]

OH I agree, JB went about this in the wrong way. And trust me, my opinion of JB over all, is that he is a less than stellar lawyer. All I am saying is that I hope the jail personnel have very good reasons for not taping over their usual monitoring of KC as they evidently do with other inmates. It does the state's side no good if it looks like KC is being 'picked on' and subjected to things the other inmates are not subjected to. the only reason I am concerned about this is because I don't want there to be any 'appealable' issues after this trial.

As you are, I am talking from a procedural point of view, rather than a personal she deserves whatever happens to her one. Do you think JB's motion, as poorly writtin as it was, has any merit? Or do you want to know what the standard procedures are before forming your opinion?

hmm that's a good question. There's a LOT going on in this motion, but we're lacking the actual details and facts upon which JB is basing this careening diatribe/motion.
I think the only way this would look bad for OCSD is if they were monitoring and taping the audio of meetings between Casey & JB. In today's media reports, I read statements from OCSD officials who stated that the monitoring is standard procedure and the jail uses video surveillance only-- no audio.

I also think it would make sense for the jail to hold onto any footage featuring an inmate who is likely "litigation prone" -- Casey Anthony seems like the kind of person who might falsely allege that a guard roughed her up or made sexual advances upon her. I think it's a good idea for them to internally retain Casey's tapes until her appeals are exhausted, actually. Just in the event they may be necessary to defend against any specious claims Casey may raise in the future. I don't know if there are rules to prevent the internal retention of such records-- but it makes sense to me, personally.

The main issue, to me, is that JB is blurring OCSD and the SA. We haven't heard any confirmation that the SA is even looking at these tapes-- let alone planning to use them as evidence or release them to the public. If they are released to the public, then maybe I will see a problem with them-- if that makes sense??

To me this is all a bit absurd because it seems like JB is sitting in a corner wiping mud all over his own face while publicly decrying the SA for slinging the mud.

 

[robotdog]

the Hound has a few words,,


forget about the tapes, who cares a rats _ _ _ about em...

it doesnt matter - see the tapes - dont see the tapes

its just a smoke screen by JB to make a big deal about anything


the EVIDENCE is overwhelming

she is done and everyone on that side knows it

throwm em out, view em - makes no difference, he has bigger problems and is just trying to throw the scent off

dont take your eye off the real issues

wooof wooof

 

[star444]

I agree re the sunshine laws!!! There's no point to an assumption of innocence if your entire life can be exposed...daily!! Freedom where I live includes freedom from the media and public having the right to know whatever they want about individuals. I'll be very mindful of my rights or lack of them while in Florida from now on!! LOL!

As for Casey, she's brought this on herself IMHO. Lie about everything and you leave the door open for others to provide the truth. I think that's what LE is trying to communicate to the A's actually.
If Casey has a real emotion in her shallow soul, I for one want to see it. It's not like I could or would think less of her. I may regain a shred of empathy actually seeing her react appropriately...for once.

~ Bolded by me. ~

You should be just fine as long as you don't kill your baby, bag and dump her like garbage, then lie to LE to waste their time once you get caught.

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

I agree re the sunshine laws!!! There's no point to an assumption of innocence if your entire life can be exposed...daily!! Freedom where I live includes freedom from the media and public having the right to know whatever they want about individuals. I'll be very mindful of my rights or lack of them while in Florida from now on!! LOL!
As for Casey, she's brought this on herself IMHO. Lie about everything and you leave the door open for others to provide the truth. I think that's what LE is trying to communicate to the A's actually.
If Casey has a real emotion in her shallow soul, I for one want to see it. It's not like I could or would think less of her. I may regain a shred of empathy actually seeing her react appropriately...for once.

No kidding. I think the trip to DW will change to Disneyland. Don't want to be a witness to something in FL.

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

JB's new motion was just released and it seems he did reference the Broward County incident which resulted in prosecutorial sanction and removal: JB's March 11 Emergency Motion for Protective Order & Other Relief

As usual, the motion is a terrific mess-- but, it's out there, for anyone who wants to have a gander... :waitasec:

Is it me, or does this motion contain many errors - for example in the numbering? It reads like he wants the court to rule that 5, 6, 7 and 8 can't happen? Or does he want them? (in the first paragraph). Uh, I really wonder who writes his motions.

 

[Marina2]

Is it me, or does this motion contain many errors - for example in the numbering? It reads like he wants the court to rule that 5, 6, 7 and 8 can't happen? Or does he want them? (in the first paragraph). Uh, I really wonder who writes his motions.

I think Linda Kenney Baden wrote this motion. It appears to be her signature on the bottom and, as cyberborg mentioned, the writing style is very different than JB's.

 

[tvc]

If this was done only to Casey.....hmmmmmm....maybe Zanny the nanny did it......I mean she killed Caylee too because she has it in for Casey....right???? spare me

 

[lin]

I agree the signature appears more likely to read LKB but I'm not familiar with the actual writings of either so am just going on what I see on this mess -- er, I mean motion. Besides, there are actual authorities cited and mentioned. Not good ones but still...

I very much agree with NancyBotwin's observation that (paraphrasing) JB appears to be deep in the mud of his own making.