cluciano63
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Jmo I guess about half of us here will be wrong in the end, if we ever learn what happened...
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Bringing forward. This in response to a comment on 4/8/16 wondering if the family may have changed its mind about murder.
http://mltnews.com/mlt-police-chief-shares-some-details-of-cheryl-deboer-investigation/
DeBoers body was found lying face down in a culvert near the intersection of Cedar Way and 244th Street Southwest with a bag loosely secured over her head. It was a take-out bag from a fast food restaurant she frequented, Wilson said.
Are there any news accounts online of the celebrity's death?A local celebrity near where I live committed suicide in this manner.
A local celebrity near where I live committed suicide in this manner.
It also looks as if husband Mike's comment has been removed from MLT.com Facebook. Both the husband's and mother's comments are included in this article.It looks as if the comments from Cheryl's mom regarding suicide have been removed from Celebrating Cheryl Deboer on FB. Wondering how long ago that was taken off? I just now noticed.
A killer running around in the city I live in bothers me a great deal however the thought of Cheryl putting herself in that culvert just does not feel right to me either. I just wonder if this was planned by someone very close to her? IMO
Stryker has not been on this site for a while
From the same article:
"In this series of cases, we were able to infer the use of plastic bags as a possible means of self deliverance from terminal illness, as defined by the Hemlock Society, in a small number of cases. Of these cases, contact with the Hemlock Society by the decedent was known in less than half. The stressor(s) leading to the suicide was more often than not readily apparent. Failing health of the decedent or spouse was the most commonly reported stressor. Neither this stressor nor any of the others specifically investigated, was exclusive to this method. Failing health as a stressor may be more commonly reported in those using plastic bags, in view of the demographic profile of our study population."
In my understanding of this reference, Cheryl does not fall into the statistics because she was in a drainage ditch, we do not know of any terminal disease or failing health (although the family should be informed of that), there is no obvious stressor, there is no evidence of intent (note, etc.).
Unfortunately there are killers running around everywhere. If this was a homicide or a suicide, you're not in more or less danger as a result.
People still need to be alert, aware of their surroundings, preferably carry a means of self defense. That's the reality of the world we live in.
That won't do much to ease the fear, telling everyone there are murderers running around everywhere! :facepalm: Plus it's not true. The world is safer than we fear, not less safe.Unfortunately there are killers running around everywhere. If this was a homicide or a suicide, you're not in more or less danger as a result.
People still need to be alert, aware of their surroundings, preferably carry a means of self defense. That's the reality of the world we live in.
I don't think you need to fit into the intersection of all of the common stats. There will always be an outlier, like being outdoors, using a plastic drop cloth instead of a bag, etc.
I would say there is indeed evidence of intent of self harm with the self inflicted cuts. Or at least the ME said that.
As to the stressor or medical condition - we've no reports of the good or bad health of the husband or parents/immediate family IIRC, just reports that CD herself was in good health. It could be any one thing -- and the other interesting thing is that people sometimes take their lives because of a PERCEPTION not a reality. (i.e. my career is failed, I am a bad spouse, etc.)
That won't do much to ease the fear, telling everyone there are murderers running around everywhere! :facepalm: Plus it's not true. The world is safer than we fear, not less safe.
But of course people everywhere should exercise caution.
The bottom line is that, based on the statistics related to suicide by plastic bag, Cheryl does not meet any of the criteria except that given the 53 people between the ages of 18 and 92 who committed suicide with a plastic bag 25+ years ago, Cheryl fell into the right age range. That's not much to go on, and suggests to me that the research has no bearing on whether this was a suicide or a murder.